Twitter rumor........trade

Marcus sent me this twitter rumor this AM..........just a rumor !!

Have no idea if the numbers even work.

In the proposed deal, DeMarcus Cousins together with Ersan Ilyasova ends up with the Celtics while Rudy Gay ends up with the Thunder. The Kings would receive Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown and Kyle Singler. The Celtics would put together a new "big 3" and become an instant contender in the East with room to sign another max contract this summer.

beat

I thought we were a contender already?

stupid move, I wouldn't trade Smart and Brown.

cowens/oldschool wrote:stupid move, I wouldn't trade Smart and Brown.

I would  love to pick up Cousins and figure out how to make it a fit, and I know that you have to give up something  of value to receive value back, but I wouldn`t give up Smart and  Brown. When is Cousins a free agent?

as bob heckler would say its a perimeter league today and Cousins has never even made the playoffs, so while he is a talent, a legit all star......I just think with Amir and Horford we have 2 mobile big defenders that are poorman versions of Kevin Garnett, both are better defensively than Cousins and Horford is also a versatile offensive big, 2x college champ and all star. Smart is a shutdown defender that can cover almost 4 positions really really well, him with AB and Rozier defensively has me salivating. We'd be absolute fools to trade away a young player with the potential of Brown, he can be Paul George or Kawhi Leonard or better.....maybe we give them IT, Young, Kelly and Amir, but they would never do that?

cowens/oldschool wrote:as bob heckler would say its a perimeter league today and Cousins has never even made the playoffs, so while he is a talent, a legit all star......I just think with Amir and Horford we have 2 mobile big defenders that are poorman versions of Kevin Garnett, both are better defensively than Cousins and Horford is also a versatile offensive big, 2x college champ and all star. Smart is a shutdown defender that can cover almost 4 positions really really well, him with AB and Rozier defensively has me salivating. We'd be absolute fools to trade away a young player with the potential of Brown, he can be Paul George or Kawhi Leonard or better.....maybe we give them IT, Young, Kelly and Amir, but they would never do that?

Amen

http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/10/18/13318124/nba-boston-celtics-isaiah-thomas-could-bring-out-the-best-in-demarcus-cousins

I was for trying to get Cousins before the draft. I proposed something like Bradley along with #3 pick(Brown) and other picks (including as many as two other first round picks).

however that was before all decent FA's had been signed. If that trade had been agreed to , Ainge could have used FA $$ to sign a top level outside shooter and note brought in Horford.

for instance say K. Bazemore as a FA.



Now that we signed Horford long term, Cousins is not needed here.

What this rumor shows is how highly some people value Jalen Brown. A good omen.

I have been touting trades to bring Cousins here.  I think his well-documented attitude issues would evaporate when he finds himself on a playoff bound team.  I also think the duo of Horford and Boogie would, arguably, give us the best front court in the NBA because Boogie is an upgrade over Amir and Horford at PF would be killer.

It might be better to let this deal marinate a bit.  Rozier could turn into the next Avery Bradley,  but he isn't yet.  If Rozier steps up, then I'd trade Bradley instead of Smart.

BPI just released their projected draft order of next year's draft.  According to them, Brooklyn should get the #1 pick.  We can swap picks with Brooklyn.  Waiting will make that pick look sweeter too by letting the draftees get GMs and scouts drooling as the NCAA  season plays out.  It will also let Ďanny decide whether to keep it and trade a player the draftee would be replacing or use the pick for Boogie instead of Brown or Smart.

To paraphrase the old Rolling Stones song "Time is on our side, yes it is...".



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I'm with you Bob on the Boogie trade but want to keep Smart and Brown.

FYI, Jeremy Lin may be the reason why Philly finishes with the worst record in the NBA, not Brooklyn. Either way, we will have a top 2 or 3 pick.

Cousins is one of the top 10 players in the league.  He is still in his mid twenties. He showed himself very well in the Olympics. He would be great along with Horford, and is a FAR superior player at his position than any of the other members of the team even though I love our current team.  He has this year and next on a very decent contract.  He then will be a max salary player, but the Cs will have room for him.

As much as I like the idea of having the Nets next two number one picks, I believe that I would trade one of them and Smart or Bradley along with whomever (Johnson?) is needed to make the contracts work as well as another first round pick non Nets pick for Cousins. I very much like both Bradley and Smart, but you do have to give up something to get a guy like Cousins and we do have a lot of quality guard type players. I could not trade Brown at this point.

OK WideClyde. This brings us to an important debating point. Who stands to benefit the Celts most over the next five years if we do acquire Cousins, Smart or Bradley?

Salary wise Bradley would be due a big boost in 2018/19, Smart in 2019/20...pretty much a wash, but slight edge to Smart.

Defensively, Bradley is great, but Smart is a force to reckon with and can guard three positions - again, a wash.

Offensively, Bradley is far superior. Smart has us playing 4 on 5 while on offense.

Durability? One would think Smart, but he's been injured like Bradley....again a wash.

I'm going to stick with Bradley and trade Smart, reluctantly, along with Amir and a Nets pick, preferably 2018's. Boogie makes $15,756,438 this year. Amir makes $12,000,000. Marcus makes $3,578,880. Almost a match. If we do a deal for Cousins, we'd still have one physical, powerful team with Cousins, Horford, Crowder, IT/Rozier, and Bradley. Second team of Kelly/Jerebko, Mickey/Zeller, Brown/Green, Rozier/Jackson, and Hunter. Yes, we need an outside shooter. We'll get one. They're easier to get than centers, even centers with attitudes.

For an older team that is in decline, I would trade the present for the future - and for a youthful team on the rise, I would trade the future for the present. If you have the chips to acquire veteran superstar talent now why take a gamble on players who may become super stars in the future. I'm all for Danny getting the players NOW that will make the Celts a serious contender NOW. Waiting 3 or more years to see if Brown or the 2 #1 picks from the Nets are final pieces for a championship team doesn't make sense to me.

swish

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Please, stupid does not start now!


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The only problem is that his current team doesn't appear to be interested in trading him.

I still agree with the folks that suggest that we wait for Cousins to be a free agent and sign try to him then.  I see no need to give up one or two potential early lottery picks, plus more, for a potential pain in the ass (no matter how talented he may be).

I just want to go on record (again) in regards to Cousins.

Also, as NY says, the Kings don't look like they are sellers.  

gyso

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/bob-ryan-jaylen-brown-could-be-tremendous-asset-celtics

I'm not sure that Cousins, a 2 time all NBA player, is the right player to make the Celts a valid contender - but I'm even more skeptical about waiting for 19 YEAR OLD high draft picks to MATURE into all NBA super stars. I hope that Danny is shooting for a repeat of his 2007-08 moves that made the Celts an instant winner. He has the chips.

swish