The dancing beAR is coming to 'merica

Glad u guys are working on the weight thing. I'm wanting to but it's not coming together.

gave up weights in 2000 after a car wreck messed left arm, I'd weighed 210 and 32 inch pants was still workable

Beer gut started showing up over next few yes but I could over come that with a regular running during warmer months, athough lingering issues with knees would cut me off of running by fall. I'd had a bad ankle since '96 as well

Got married weighing a size 36, but no longer have a physical job, and drive on average 12 hrs a day

Back problems are enhanced by sitting long periods of time so by the end of a work day, I am just done. Don't wish to work out. Tried to work back in shape with triathlon and running again, but injured my shoulder a yr ago swimming, it's still not healed, tore my petella tendon last August and now still having issues just walking on that, and still healing from hernia surgery last oct.

I've now hit 260 lbs, and really want to get back to 200, not sure how soon that will happen.

mulcogiseng & matty



thanks for the support from afar, some days are a lot easier than others biggest hurdle was getting thru a nasty bone spur in my foot and still trying to get some mileage in. lasted 2 months or so but is now completely fine.

Yesterday was a heavy day and today mostly walking as the legs were a bit sore, 3 weeks to go before the race. I know I cannot turn the clock back and run a sub 17 like the old days but if I can run the entire thing and come sort of close to 30 minutes ill take it. Not sure of your ages but ill turn 64 in 8 weeks. Just being in good enough health to even consider this is OK.

Dropping a few more pounds before the race would be good too !!

Go C's

beat

Beat, i'm only 43. but the injuries over the years have taken their toll.

I remember once telling an older friend that I hoped when my time came that I fully expected my mind to be saying, "well this was fun.." while my body says, "oh thank god its over."

My body is starting to ask how soon can we wrap things up i'm thinking. I have not been nice to it at all. It hates me. My wife keeps telling me I got to start taking better care of me, I keep saying every wife says that. I'm actually scheduled to do a duelathalon in june. have no idea how I'm going to pull it off. The wife just did her second 1/2 marathon in Myrtle beach a couple weeks ago, she had originally planned it to be her first full but between some work issues getting in the way of her training and some health issues she felt she wasn't ready and was able to change it. She improved her time by over 3 minutes though from her first 1/2 which was last fall.

I really want to get into shape for a marathon myself. Though I do have concerns that getting through that would be the end of my knee's and ankle. I don't really need them that much other than for hiking after that though. And besides, I prefer canoeing.

beat,

I've been following your progress on Facebook.  You have dropped a TON of weight and I can see it in your face in your pictures (or is that Riley?).  Good job!

Matty,

Diet and exercise, buddy, diet and exercise.  There is no magic.  I have a friend who is a professional trainer.  He told me that it's 80% diet and 20% exercise and people who go to the gym so they can eat whatever they want are completely off base from a nutritional and longterm health perspective.  You have to watch how much you eat and how much and what time of day you eat it.  This is from a guy who was a competitive body builder and has the pictures and blue ribbons to prove it (not me, my friend).

Worcester and I went on a very nice walk last summer.  We did the El Camino de Santiago, Portuguese Coastal Way.

http://caminoways.com/ways/portuguese-coastal-way-caminho-da-costa/portuguese-coastal-way-full-walk.

 It's a 13 day, approximately 155 mile walk, mostly along the coast in Portugal and Spain.  Walking is good for you and MUCH less punishing on your body than running.  Walking 12 miles/day for 2 weeks changes the way your body needs and processes calories.  I'm trying to put together another nice walk this summer.

Vince Lombardi said "fatigue makes cowards of us all".  My stamina, and my courage, were WAY higher after that walk last year and I think I can speak for Worcester when I say he felt that way too.  And let me tell you, Worcester is not a layabout normally, he just found that a change of routine and regimen made him aware of where his body was at.  


bob


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and fluids.

He told me I should take my weight, divide by 2 and that's how many fluid ounces of water I should drink every day.


bob


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Walking with Bob was one of the best workout spells I've ever head. Highly recommend it. He knows how to motivate like Lombardi.

bobheckler wrote:  ... He told me that it's 80% diet and 20% exercise and people who go to the gym so they can eat whatever they want are completely off base from a nutritional and longterm health perspective...

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I'll second Bob's advice here!  This is exactly what both my generalist doctor and orthopedic surgeon have told me.

I try and keep up my conditioning, and thanks to three knee surgeries, among one or two other factors, need to stay at a reasonable weight as I get older.  I added a few pounds recently and told my doctor I blamed it on going through a period where I was too busy/distracted to work out regularly.  The doctor reminded me of exactly what Bob said.  By eating slower so I have a chance to feel full, and avoiding seconds, the weight has started to come back off although my workout schedule still has not returned to normal.

Another trick:  drinking sparkling water/club soda with your meals.

The carbonation cuts the oils still on your tongue and on the inside of your mouth after swallowing.  By drinking gaseous water and washing those flavors off your tongue and cheeks you cleanse your palate.  That makes your next bite as fresh and enjoyable as the first one, you're not just shoveling food in but getting no marginally additional enjoyment from the flavors.  It's just another bite of the same stuff.  Cleansing your palate between bites increases your enjoyment of your meal.  Also, since it is gaseous water, it occupies space.  

1.  Chew slowly and a lot.  Guidelines from Ohio State says 5-10 times for soft food and 30 times for denser foods like meat.  It takes time for your stomach to tell your brain it's not hungry anymore.  Eating slower buys your body time to get the message.  Also, chewing more helps the food become more digestible, allowing you to eat less and still get the same nutrition.

2.  Fluids and gas occupy space.  Your stomach doesn't know the difference between volume occupied by gas and volume occupied by substance.  If it's full, it will send the message and the faster you get the message the faster you will be willing to push yourself back from the table.

3.  Don't drink fruit juices unless they are fresh-squeezed or, at least, you know there aren't high-fructose corn syrups included to make them sweeter.  LOTS of calories in those, the sweeteners do not add nutrition and it's easy to drink 10 oz instead of just 8.  That's 25% more calories and you're not even paying attention to them.  Drinking fresh juice is ok, but beware the additives and understand that fruits have a lot of sugar in them.  Fructose is a simple sugar, easy to break down, but are empty, albeit enjoyable, calories.  Better juices/fruits are fresh pineapple and papaya, although eating fresh fruit themselves is best.  That way you also get the pulp.  Both contain natural digestive aids.  Bromelain, the natural digestive aid in pineapple, can also be used as a natural anti-inflammatory if it is taken on an empty stomach.  If you're using it for that then take supplements, it's not concentrated enough in natural pineapple to have much of an effect.  You'd have to eat enough to get diarrhea and that's never pretty.  Years ago I had "trigger finger", as the ailment is called.  It's an inflammation of the tendons underneath a joint, in my case it was the pinkie of my dominant hand.  The cause is unknown, they can only recognize the symptoms, which is that the finger "catches" when you open or close it and you get, what feels like, a click or pop in your hand.  That happens when the tendon finds its around the inflammation (it's like a rubberband that has been stretched across a partially inflated balloon.  The rubberband will try to go to the path that produces the least tautness and when it finds it will go to it quickly and that's the 'pop').  I got a steroid shot in my hand to reduce the inflammation, and that worked for 1 year, but I wasn't comfortable with taking steroids longterm.  I started taking bromelain 500mg everyday on an empty stomach (when I woke up), still do take it everyday, and I have not experienced a recurrence of trigger finger in over 10 years.  

4.  Portion control.  If you are eating at home it's easy to do.  1/4 pound of meat/meal, preferably not every meal, and reduce the amount of meat/week.  If you cannot bury the meat underneath the veggies you are not eating enough veggies.

5.  Drink water.  A lot.  Divide your weight by 2 and that's how many fluid ounces of water you should drink everyday.  That's easier to do if you exercise since drinking water when you exercise is natural.

6.  Replace salt and butter whenever possible.  Use herbs for flavor instead.  Salt helps you retain weight and increases your blood pressure and butter is saturated fat.

7.  Avoid processed foods.  I love Trader Joe's prepared meals but I stopped eating them and started losing weight.  Look at it this way:  why do you think those delicious sauces in those meals don't break down and separate apart even over the time they are sitting there in the refrigerated units?  It's because there are things in them specifically to prevent the fats and oils from separating.  That's why they look so good and fresh cooked when you eat them.  Well, if they aren't supposed to separate easily why would you assume they would suddenly separate easily inside your small intestines?  They don't, and because they don't they don't get digested well, which means they hang around in your body for longer than you'd like.


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Bob,

All good looking ideas. I'll try them; thanks!  So I could have skipped my doctor and sent the co-pay to you?

Regards

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Worcester

I have blood pressure better then a 20 year old track runner. My doctors are blown away by the pressure I have at my age.

112288

Wow. Green tea extract it is then.

Excellent info Bob! I would lose my weight if I stopped eating 1/2lb to a lb of peanuts a day and drinking a quart to half gallon of apple juice. (when its not mango passionfruit at TJs lol) When I got back from Standing Rock I ate a pie or cobbler a week until mid January. I wasn't running much and so I just ballooned I doubt if I'll ever see a sub 30min 5K but that is the goal. (PR is 17:56 back in 1965) At least I think it is. I've been trying to research my times from back then but records are few and far between. There is a good group in NH who are tracking these things down but they still have a ways to go to get back that far in time. Something about fear of dinosaurs. lol I just turned 69 Bob so got you by a few years. that must explain why I am still so much slower than you. lol Fortunately I was able to join a team of like minded individuals. We are the "Slow Old Goats" of the Soggy Woggers from the Tucson Workout Group (wog). Our motto is "We may be old, but we are really slow"

Just watched the 1st playoff game between Maine and the Fort Wayne Mad Ants (best team name ever!).  Maine won, in Ft Wayne, in OT.  They were down 9 after 3.

Nader with 16 @ half.  Disappeared 2nd half. Ended up with 20, I think.

Mickey with something like 22 and 10.

Ice cold in the 3rd.  Stayed in the game because of Demetrius Jackson.  30 points.  Had 8 or 10 @ half.  Didn't see much floor generalship but he can create his own shot and is QUICK.  A natural scorer like IT.

Bad game for Yabby. Never got off the bench in OT. Maybe 6 points.

Tyler Hansbrough for Ft Wayne with 31 and 15 or 16 boards.  Pounded everybody into paste.  He should have been born 30 years ago.  He overpowered EVERYBODY.  Yabby never saw anything like him in China as Hansbrough worked him down low. Mickey had problems with him too but is more mobile and better range.

2 out of 3 series.  Next two in Maine, so a BIG win for the Red Claws.


bob


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After I retired I switched from tennis to bike riding - too much pounding on my knees. Rode every day, weather permitting, between 25 and 40 miles - trimmed down considerably by counting carbs and was out riding every day with very little discomfort in my knees. Unfortunately with out any warning, at age 78, my hip became a major problem. I didn't choose hip replacement and elected to just sit back and lead a physically inactive life - hey it's working for me.

swish

Gundry Vital Reds

bobheckler wrote:Just watched the 1st playoff game between Maine and the Fort Wayne Mad Ants (best team name ever!).  Maine won, in Ft Wayne, in OT.  They were down 9 after 3.

Nader with 16 @ half.  Disappeared 2nd half.  Ended up with 20, I think.

Mickey with something like 22 and 10.

Ice cold in the 3rd.  Stayed in the game because of Demetrius Jackson.  30 points.  Had 8 or 10 @ half.  Didn't see much floor generalship but he can create his own shot and is QUICK.  A natural scorer like IT.

Bad game for Yabby.  Never got off the bench in OT.  Maybe 6 points.

Tyler Hansbrough for Ft Wayne with 31 and 15 or 16 boards.  Pounded everybody into paste.  He should have been born 30 years ago.  He overpowered EVERYBODY.  Yabby never saw anything like him in China as Hansbrough worked him down low.  Mickey had problems with him too but is more mobile and better range.

2 out of 3 series.  Next two in Maine, so a BIG win for the Red Claws.


bob


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CORRECTIONS:

Tyler Hansbrough had 29 points and 20 rebounds.  10 of his boards were offensive.  10.  He was screaming at the refs towards the end because the Red Claws got physical and the only player on his team that responded was him, but he blamed the refs.


The highlights are pretty quick, so you can watch one in just a minute or 2.

Nader had 23 points, 16 at halftime.  Not that impressive given this game went to OT and he played 41 minutes.




Jordan Mickey with 26 points and 16 rebounds, 3 steals and 5 blocked shots. No 3s, but solid mid-range and inside.




Demetrius Jackson with 30 points on 9-16, 2-5 from 3, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 TOs.  I don't know if he was the only Red Claw to score in the 3rd quarter but it sure seemed like it.  We were down 1 @ the half, down 9 after 3.  We would have been down 15 if he only had a good quarter.




Yabby 6 points in 23 minutes.  2 boards.


http://dleague.nba.com/games/20170404/MNEFWN/



bob


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Wow. D Jack sure can score. Quick. Accurate. Why didn't he do this during  his 17 minutes on the court with the Celtics this season? Oh wait, he did. 10 points, 1 for 1 from 3, 3 for four from 2, 1 for 2 from the line.

best I ever saw of Mickey, maybe he can hit that mid range shot next year, guy can defend alittle

Congratulations to the Maine Red Claws, winning their first playoff series in their franchise's history.

Yabby played a big part in it.  26 points on 10-14, 2-3 from 3, 9 rebounds, 3 offensive,






Jordan Mickey had 22 points, 14 boards, 5 of them offensive and 4 blocks.




Abdel Nader had 26 points, 8 rebounds.




Demetrius Jackson only played 19 minutes, 2 points.  ???



bob


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The Celtics appear to have a wealth of young talent down in the D-league.

Watching Mickey knock down those mid-range jumpers indicates that he has been working to expand his game. I am sure that the time he has spent with the Celtics has given him the time to work on a few things. The competition has really helped him. Ultimately, he will need to stretch it out another few feet to the 3 point range and perfect that part of his game.

His contract expire this year so it will be interesting to see what happens.

The Celtics have so many assets that they must move some this summer or during the draft. I feel bad for all these players that are waiting in the wings to get their turn. Guys like Mickey and Jackson and Nadair and even Yabusele. That talent is probably at least rotation level talent.

dboss

thanks bob, great to see Yabu comeback with a great game after a bad previous performance, he looked Barkleyesqe in a lot of this, he was backing up Hansborough, a legit NBA vet at will easily....can't wait to see him scattering bodies for us next year !!

cowens/oldschool wrote:thanks bob, great to see Yabu comeback with a great game after a bad previous performance, he looked Barkleyesqe in a lot of this, he was backing up Hansborough, a legit NBA vet at will easily....can't wait to see him scattering bodies for us next year !!

Cow,

Tyler Hansbrough is a 30 year old NBA veteran, who is not coming back or limited from injury, and played 7 seasons in the NBA. So, he isn't just an NCAA 90-day wonder (like, oh say, James Young). His game is limited, by today's NBA standards, but he is absolutely, positively a bruiser!



bob



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Congrats to the Boston Celtics and all of the fans!

Just thinking of how the NBA is going to react to the regular season EC champs coming back next year with at minimum Yabusele and Zizic and perhaps the #1 pick in the draft. This may have been Cleveland's last best chance and the team will probably blow up next year.

But of course the #1 seed is not what the Boston Celtics play for.

17goingon18