Report: Celtics extend qualifying offer to Kelly Olynyk

worcester wrote:Would Hayward produce 18 points and 9.6 rebounds per game for $30M? If so his value would match Kelly's at 9 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Rmbone wrote:

worcester wrote:Would Hayward produce 18 points and 9.6 rebounds per game for $30M? If so his value would match Kelly's at 9 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Hayward's grabbed a career high 5.4 rebounds per game last year, and 21.9 ppg. In Boston he'd get less shots, and duplicate the overall two way impact of Jae Crowder. Olynyk would fill an actual need at PF, as opposed to being redundant at our deepest position, SF.

And if you thought Crowder was bad defensively against LeBron, wait until you see Hayward try to guard him.

fierce wrote:

Rmbone wrote:

worcester wrote:Would Hayward produce 18 points and 9.6 rebounds per game for $30M? If so his value would match Kelly's at 9 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Hayward's grabbed a career high 5.4 rebounds per game last year, and 21.9 ppg. In Boston he'd get less shots, and duplicate the overall two way impact of Jae Crowder. Olynyk would fill an actual need at PF, as opposed to being redundant at our deepest position, SF.

And if you thought Crowder was bad defensively against LeBron, wait until you see Hayward try to guard him.

Lebron's the 1st player to average a triple-double in the NBA Finals.

His averages were 33.6 ppg, 12.0 rpg, and 10.0 apg.

And the Cavs almost got swept.


Lebron is unguardable.

You're seeing things that are not there if you truly believe that Olynyk + Crowder is greater than Gordon Hayward.

I love Kelly-O.
He's one of my favorite Celtics.
But there's a reason why the Jazz, Heat, and Celtics are all willing to pay Hayward 30m per year.

In the NBA, star players win championships.

This year it has been proven that 4 star players cannot be beaten.
Not even Lebron and Kyrie could match the Warriors' firepower.

cowens/oldschool wrote:you need great players to go at great players, nobody stops Lebron, but if you have a superstar like prime time Paul Pierce going at him for 30, you can be in a position to win.

Rmbone wrote:"You're seeing things that are not there if you truly believe that Olynyk + Crowder is greater than Gordon Hayward."

The equation would be Olynyk + Crowder + 15 million in cap space + long-term flexibility + plenty of minutes for Jayson Tatum, Ojeleye, and Jaylen Brown.

fierce wrote:

cowens/oldschool wrote:you need great players to go at great players, nobody stops Lebron, but if you have a superstar like prime time Paul Pierce going at him for 30, you can be in a position to win.

Totally agree.

Remember Game 7 Cavs vs. Celtics in the 2008 east semis?

Lebron had 45 points.

If the Celts had Jae Crowder and Crowder only scored 25 points, there would have been no Banner 17 as the Celts would have lost to the Cavs.

Celts won that game because Paul Pierce came up big with 41 points.
That negated Lebron's 45 points.

112288 wrote:

fierce wrote:

cowens/oldschool wrote:you need great players to go at great players, nobody stops Lebron, but if you have a superstar like prime time Paul Pierce going at him for 30, you can be in a position to win.

Totally agree.

Remember Game 7 Cavs vs. Celtics in the 2008 east semis?

Lebron had 45 points.

If the Celts had Jae Crowder and Crowder only scored 25 points, there would have been no Banner 17 as the Celts would have lost to the Cavs.

Celts won that game because Paul Pierce came up big with 41 points.
That negated Lebron's 45 points.

Pierce had 41 points that afternoon!  LeBron could not guard Pierce.  We are stuck in a period in basketball that does not permit physical basketball and is lacking the physical players.   LeBron would be put on his ass night in and night out if Malone, Shacq and other physical players were still playing the game in their prime. He would be thinking twice about bull rushing into the lane on every play. besides the NBA allows him to drop his shoulder to perform his move ...what is this football???????!!!!!!!

112288

112288 wrote:

fierce wrote:

cowens/oldschool wrote:you need great players to go at great players, nobody stops Lebron, but if you have a superstar like prime time Paul Pierce going at him for 30, you can be in a position to win.

Totally agree.

Remember Game 7 Cavs vs. Celtics in the 2008 east semis?

Lebron had 45 points.

If the Celts had Jae Crowder and Crowder only scored 25 points, there would have been no Banner 17 as the Celts would have lost to the Cavs.

Celts won that game because Paul Pierce came up big with 41 points.
That negated Lebron's 45 points.

Pierce had 41 points that night!  LeBron could not guard Pierce.  We are stuck in a period in basketball that does not permit physical basketball and is lacking the physical players.   LeBron would be put on his ass night in and night out if Malone, Shacq and other physical players were still playing the game in their prime.

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fierce wrote:The objective is to win a championship.

Not long-term flexibility, not plenty of minutes for rookies.

Long-term flexibility is only for small teams that can't afford to pay luxury tax.

We're not talking about the Memphis Grizzlies here.
The Boston Celtics can afford to pay luxury tax.
Just like the Warriors can afford to pay luxury tax.

The long-term or the future is NOW!

Rmbone wrote:

fierce wrote:The objective is to win a championship.

Not long-term flexibility, not plenty of minutes for rookies.

Long-term flexibility is only for small teams that can't afford to pay luxury tax.

We're not talking about the Memphis Grizzlies here.
The Boston Celtics can afford to pay luxury tax.
Just like the Warriors can afford to pay luxury tax.

The long-term or the future is NOW!

If Bill Belichick had that attitude the Patriots wouldn't be perennial Super Bowl contenders. Every team in the NBA has that mentality, NOW NOW NOW. DON'T TRADE KG AND PIERCE TO BROOKLYN! TRADE ALL THE BROOKLYN PICKS FOR KEVIN LOVE! TRADE FOR JOSH SMITH AND GIVE RONDO A MAX CONTRACT!!!  DRAFT BUDDY HIELD OR KRIS DUNN, NOT THE 19 YEAR OLD JAYLEN BROWN!! TRADE ALL THE PICKS FOR PAUL GEORGE!!

It's long-term strategic thinking and impulse control. We're in perfect position to assemble a team that is a top contender every year for 10+ years. And even if Danny assembled a "superteam" full of small forwards, and even if we DID beat the Cavs, look at how the Cavs played against the Warriors. They got steamrolled.

You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em. One more year of being a top 2 seed in the east and making it to the ECF again isn't going to be the end of the world, and it will be MUCH better for our long-term future. It might even attract a LeBron James to Boston next summer, to go along with Michael Porter Jr. Now THAT's a SF combination I can get behind, and it wouldn't cost all our assets, or even all our cap space flexibility.

Rmbone wrote:Take a look at Daryl Morey, who the media always fawns over. He's never won sh#t, and he's trading off all his future draft picks, along with all his team's depth. That guy doesn't know anything about drafting or winning, he only knows about assembling talent.

Now next year he'll have to sign a 33 year old Chris Paul to a 4-5 year supermax contract, with an over the hill Ryan Anderson making 20 million or whatever.

Morey put together a decent regular season last year, and it saved his job, but what else did it accomplish? Now teams are demanding 2 first round picks just to take Ryan Anderson off his hands. And CP3 and Harden will fit together about as well as Dwight Howard and Harden, or Westbrook and Harden.

But Morey gets his media attention, and casual fans wish they had a GM with the "guts" of Morey.

fierce wrote:

Rmbone wrote:Take a look at Daryl Morey, who the media always fawns over. He's never won sh#t, and he's trading off all his future draft picks, along with all his team's depth. That guy doesn't know anything about drafting or winning, he only knows about assembling talent.

Now next year he'll have to sign a 33 year old Chris Paul to a 4-5 year supermax contract, with an over the hill Ryan Anderson making 20 million or whatever.

Morey put together a decent regular season last year, and it saved his job, but what else did it accomplish? Now teams are demanding 2 first round picks just to take Ryan Anderson off his hands. And CP3 and Harden will fit together about as well as Dwight Howard and Harden, or Westbrook and Harden.

But Morey gets his media attention, and casual fans wish they had a GM with the "guts" of Morey.

But Ainge is not Morey.

Ainge joined the Celts front office in 2003 and the Celts won a championship in 2008.
And when KG and Pierce got old, Ainge fleeced the Nets.

Clearly Ainge is one of the best execs in the NBA right now.

gyso wrote:

fierce wrote:

Rmbone wrote:Take a look at Daryl Morey, who the media always fawns over. He's never won sh#t, and he's trading off all his future draft picks, along with all his team's depth. That guy doesn't know anything about drafting or winning, he only knows about assembling talent.

Now next year he'll have to sign a 33 year old Chris Paul to a 4-5 year supermax contract, with an over the hill Ryan Anderson making 20 million or whatever.

Morey put together a decent regular season last year, and it saved his job, but what else did it accomplish? Now teams are demanding 2 first round picks just to take Ryan Anderson off his hands. And CP3 and Harden will fit together about as well as Dwight Howard and Harden, or Westbrook and Harden.

But Morey gets his media attention, and casual fans wish they had a GM with the "guts" of Morey.

But Ainge is not Morey.

Ainge joined the Celts front office in 2003 and the Celts won a championship in 2008.
And when KG and Pierce got old, Ainge fleeced the Nets.

Clearly Ainge is one of the best execs in the NBA right now.

I think that you both can agree that Danny Ainge >>>>>>>> Daryl Morey.  

Hopefully, in less than one more week, Danny will provide more proof to that statement.