Re: Who fills the newly opened 15th spot on the Cs roster?

by **BleedGreen** Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:19 pm

fierce wrote:

Draymond Green single-handedly contained LaMarcus Aldridge in last season's playoffs.

It's not how tall you are, it's how good you are.

In the playoffs, Horford and Baynes will be enough as Brad will only use 9 or 10 men.

That's why I said it's not a priority now.
Ainge can sign or trade for a big later.

Also, if Celts sign Tony Allen then he will be the 15th man.
You said you want someone tall, Tony Allen is only 6-4.

I said the same thing. Sign Tony Allen and use Baynes + filler and picks to potentially add a better big later if they need one. I said if Bogut passed a physical and would sign for the min bring him aboard too and cut Theis (or Nader).

Are you actually telling me how tall Tony Allen is? Did you think I thought he was 7'? This is what comes off as disrespect to other posters.

What you previously said that I disagreed with was not the premise that the C's were all set with bigs, but that putting Theis there as their 3rd big over Yabu and Semi was incorrect. Then you make a Draymond Green reference, which only proves my point further since the C's may try and see if Yabusele can develop into an undersized big playing a similar role here. All 3 of those guys can play some 3-4 forward and some big man, but it will likely be Yabu or Semi Brad experiments with or goes with in the end as a small-ball big man over Theis. He just doesn't sound quick enough for the NBA.

by **cowens/oldschool** Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:28 pm

Bogut is easily best center left standing still out there, right now guys like Embid, Towns, Cousins, Davis, Drummond, Whiteside would pound us inside....very lucky no one has signed this dinosaur and glad I've read talks are starting.

by **red16russ11** Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:26 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski: Sources: As Boston waits on finalization of Irving deal, free agent F/C Thomas Robinson working out at facility for possible roster spot. – via Twitter wojespn

by **bobheckler** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:13 pm

Well, now that The Trade is officially done, it's back to this topic (since there now really is only 14 guaranteed contracts).

I'd love to see Bogut in green. Over the past 3 years he has averaged about 21mpg. I would be thrilled if he could give us 21mpg. That's 21mpg of true center play, allowing Horford to both rest and shift to 4. We would need to have firepower on the floor with him, since he isn't an offensive threat, but he could anchor out baseline and, boy, do we ever need that!

Thomas Robinson's rebound/minute rate is slightly higher than Bogut's (and his blocks/minute are WAY worse), but he played half the mpg, so I can't read too much into that and, let's face it, when you can't get 12mpg and you are playing for the Lakers when they are the second worst team in the league, you suck.

bob

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by **sinus007** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:17 pm

Hi,
I wonder what'd require to get Bogut?

AK

by **kdp59** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:19 pm

bobheckler wrote:Well, now that The Trade is officially done, it's back to this topic (since there now really is only 14 guaranteed contracts).

I'd love to see Bogut in green. Over the past 3 years he has averaged about 21mpg. I would be thrilled if he could give us 21mpg. That's 21mpg of true center play, allowing Horford to both rest and shift to 4. We would need to have firepower on the floor with him, since he isn't an offensive threat, but he could anchor out baseline and, boy, do we ever need that!

Thomas Robinson's rebound/minute rate is slightly higher than Bogut's (and his blocks/minute are WAY worse), but he played half the mpg, so I can't read too much into that and, let's face it, when you can't get 12mpg and you are playing for the Lakers when they are the second worst team in the league, you suck.

bob

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Bogut has averaged about 56 games per season in his 12 year career. Players usually get MORE injury prone as they age. I am starting my one man write in campaign for Zeller today....anyone have Danny's address?

by **dboss** Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:01 pm

I think the final roster spot needs to be filled with a scorer.

Our starting 5 looks real strong on paper but we do not have one bonafide scorer off the bench.
Marcus was the leading scorer off the bench at 10.6 PPG but his hideous 35% shooting is not a strength. I think that Boston will need solid play from Rozier and the rookie Tatum will need to be ready to contribute from day one. I do not know about the other guys like Yabu, Theis and Semi. We really could used a veteran scorer off the bench like Gerald Green.

I do understand the size issue but I am quite sure that the Celtics will be playing even more small ball this year. I think that they can live without another big center and Bogut with his injury history would not be on the short list.

The Celtics do not have to do deal immediately and have time to figure out what is most needed and Danny may make another trade for all we know.

dboss

by **kdp59** Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:41 pm

dboss,

what if Smart is starting and Jaylen is the 6th man this year?

I can see Horford, Morris, Hayward, Smart and Irving as the best starting five for us this year. I think this solves your issue with scoring form the second group , though I must admit I never worry much about that myself as rarely does a coach uses reserves that way.

Jaylen, Tatum, Rozier and Baynes as the next four off the bench in that order of minutes played.

who takes the 10th spot in the regular rotation is the biggest question for me right now.....Theis, Yabusele, Larkin?

by **bobheckler** Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:54 pm

kdp59 wrote:dboss,

what if Smart is starting and Jaylen is the 6th man this year?

I can see Horford, Morris, Hayward, Smart and Irving as the best starting five for us this year. I think this solves your issue with scoring form the second group , though I must admit I never worry much about that myself as rarely does a coach uses reserves that way.

Jaylen, Tatum, Rozier and Baynes as the next four off the bench in that order of minutes played.

who takes the 10th spot in the regular rotation is the biggest question for me right now.....Theis, Yabusele, Larkin?

Kdp,

Barring injury I say Theis.

Larkin is 3rd on the depth chart @ small guard (as opposed to point guard). Yabusele is a 20 year old rookie who played last year in a league that didn't play defense. Theis is 25 years old, is a Euro Champion, Euro DPOY and is currently getting playing time in a tournament that has a bunch of Euros that are in the NBA (Schroder, Porzingis just to name two. International started a thread about this today). Throw on top of that our lack of depth @ big and the loss of Swedish Army Knife Jonas Jerebko and you have a custom-made role for him to slip into easily.

bob

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by **fierce** Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:39 pm

10th man?

Ojeleye!

by **bobheckler** Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:41 pm

fierce wrote:10th man?

Ojeleye!

Fierce! Going BOLD!!

bob

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by **NYCelt** Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:22 pm

kdp59 wrote:dboss,

what if Smart is starting and Jaylen is the 6th man this year?

I can see Horford, Morris, Hayward, Smart and Irving as the best starting five for us this year. I think this solves your issue with scoring form the second group , though I must admit I never worry much about that myself as rarely does a coach uses reserves that way.

Jaylen, Tatum, Rozier and Baynes as the next four off the bench in that order of minutes played.

who takes the 10th spot in the regular rotation is the biggest question for me right now.....Theis, Yabusele, Larkin?

Just throwing my $.02 in.

I also think the likely first 5 are Horford, Morris, Hayward, Smart and Irving.

From there I wouldn't be surprise to see a 9-man rotation with Rozier, Brown, Tatum and perhaps Baynes. After that I see a few minutes here and there in situational roles for Theis, Larkin and Yabusele. It could be Theis gets ahead of Baynes, but it's hard to say since no one has really seen him play.

With Tatum being an untested rookie, but guessing and giving him an early thumbs up, I think we're pretty strong 1 through 8. Baynes, Theis, Yabusele and Larkin all represent huge question marks to me. I think it's highly possible they're all very short-term placeholders. From there, based on who we have under various contracts, I think we have more than a little shopping left to do. Count me among those who think we need to get a couple of rebounding, defense oriented bigs. The game of basketball hasn't changed enough to do without them.

I haven't addressed #15, because I'm not too sure about 13 and 14. I expect us to go into the season a man short.

by **atcross** Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:05 am

With the current roster if Baynes goes down with an injury the biggest man we can put on the floor when Horford sits is 6' 8". Small ball isn't always a good line up. Against the Pelicans with Cousins and/or Davis? Nah. We need at least one more 6' 10"+ big. Zeller or Bogut.

by **fierce** Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:28 am

atcross wrote:With the current roster if Baynes goes down with an injury the biggest man we can put on the floor when Horford sits is 6' 8". Small ball isn't always a good line up. Against the Pelicans with Cousins and/or Davis? Nah. We need at least one more 6' 10"+ big. Zeller or Bogut.

I've seen enough of Zeller.

Laughing

by **dboss** Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:23 am

kdp59 wrote:dboss,

what if Smart is starting and Jaylen is the 6th man this year?

I can see Horford, Morris, Hayward, Smart and Irving as the best starting five for us this year. I think this solves your issue with scoring form the second group , though I must admit I never worry much about that myself as rarely does a coach uses reserves that way.

Jaylen, Tatum, Rozier and Baynes as the next four off the bench in that order of minutes played.

who takes the 10th spot in the regular rotation is the biggest question for me right now.....Theis, Yabusele, Larkin?

Kdp59

Regarding Marcus.. he is next up for a new contract. If he cotinues to shoot in the mid 30's he is gone. I could see him at the starting 2 if he could shoot. Sooner or later Celtics fans will conclude that Smart is a hideous offensive player.

Jaylen was drafted to be a starter just like Marcus and Jaylen is already a better offensive player than Smart. Put him in there with the starters and he could take off this year.

Scoring off the bench must come from TR and Tatum and Smart and the rest of the rotation players and Danny will need to add a scorer off the bench at some point.

Dboss

by **kdp59** Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:07 am

fierce wrote:
atcross wrote:With the current roster if Baynes goes down with an injury the biggest man we can put on the floor when Horford sits is 6' 8". Small ball isn't always a good line up. Against the Pelicans with Cousins and/or Davis? Nah. We need at least one more 6' 10"+ big. Zeller or Bogut.

I've seen enough of Zeller.

don't worry IF Danny would bring him back, you still won't see much of him as the 11-14th man on the roster.

or anyone else Danny is likely to find still looking for a job to be honest.

Bogut is a FA and we only have a vet minimum salary to offer anyone.

by **atcross** Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:42 am

kdp59 wrote:
fierce wrote:
atcross wrote:With the current roster if Baynes goes down with an injury the biggest man we can put on the floor when Horford sits is 6' 8". Small ball isn't always a good line up. Against the Pelicans with Cousins and/or Davis? Nah. We need at least one more 6' 10"+ big. Zeller or Bogut.

I've seen enough of Zeller.

don't worry IF Danny would bring him back, you still won't see much of him as the 11-14th man on the roster.

or anyone else Danny is likely to find still looking for a job to be honest.

Bogut is a FA and we only have a vet minimum salary to offer anyone.

Yup. Seven footers who have experience, are healthy, know the system, and have proven that they are willing to sit on the bench until they are called upon and then hit the floor ready to play and all for possibly a vet's minimum don't grow on trees. I believe it's a very short list. He would be a backup's backup, not a starter. You don't get a lot for a min.

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