Post game Bucks Game 4

by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:15 pm

Well we lost a very winnable game, coming out party for Jaylen Brown continues, it’s going on strong right now because of necessity, I feel Jaylen could have been playing like this sooner if Brad just would had let him. Brain fart by Brad going to Morris at end...??? Really...??? in these situations, HoF players like Paul Pierce don’t even come thru all the time, but borderline starters like Morris never come thru from my experience watching the game. If Rozier showed up we would have had the game easily....damn wasted opportunity.

by **Ktronic1** Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:00 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:Well we lost a very winnable game, coming out party for Jaylen Brown continues, it’s going on strong right now because of necessity, I feel Jaylen could have been playing like this sooner if Brad just would had let him. Brain fart by Brad going to Morris at end...??? Really...??? in these situations, HoF players like Paul Pierce don’t even come thru all the time, but borderline starters like Morris never come thru from my experience watching the game. If Rozier showed up we would have had the game easily....damn wasted opportunity.

Morris had a good look he just didnt hit it. Hes hit those before. Wouldn’t been my first choice either but maybe thats all they could get. Coach and players felt good about it, so they say.

by **worcester** Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:10 pm

Glimmers - Rozier's inconsistent play and determination to be a starter means he will get traded and we will keep Smart.

Al and Tatum are ballers.

Jaylen is the merging NBA star. Period. Yes, he is better than Jabari Parker.

Brad may learn something in the off season, that it makes sense to design plays for Jaylen who more often than not does not get the ball passed to him - and despite 34 points actually does not get enough touches.

Once again, when Kyrie and Marcus went down and there became an extra 21 shot attempts per game to distribute among the team members, who got the shots? Not Jaylen - he only got 0.2 more shots, not Jayson - he only got 2.1 more shots. Other less efficient scorers got the ball. Morris, Monroe, Larkin, etc. I have no trouble with Al getting more shots. He is a star and a scorer. Jaylen and Jayson need them too. Especially Jaylen. Why? because when the league knows who the stars are on a team, the NBA refs know who the stars are and tend to reward them by awarding more foul shots. if a coach disses a player by not designing plays for him, refs diss him too. That is IMHO what has happened to Jaylen. In 4 playoff games this year, despite his very aggressive offensive play, he has only been awarded 8 foul shots TOTAL.

Brad, this is not college. You have to establish Jaylen in the minds of the refs as your guy. You have to bark at the refs when they don't call fouls for Jaylen. You have to have players pass the ball to him. Today he scored thirty-four points despite Terry and other Celts not passing him the ball often enough. Jayson - I am very glad he gets the ball. Jaylen deserves it too. This season he averaged 8 shot attempts per game from within 5 feet and made 5.+ of them, for a very high %, one of the highest in the NBA, yet he has been given too few foul shots. He'll really thrive when the refs and Brad show him more respect.

Oh yes, Terry seems to be allergic to passing Jaylen the ball.

In the last 50 seconds, as Jaylen was driving to the basket, he was clearly fouled. No doubt the NBA's last 2 minutes review of officiating will affirm the error - which did cost us the game.

by **k_j_88** Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:56 pm

Oh but wait guys, don't start questioning Brad's decision-making because we aren't on the sidelines and somehow don't know any of what we're talking about. He's so smart we decided not to go with the hot hand Jaylen at the time and instead Morris, who has a terrible FG% in this game, gets the final shot.

KJ

by **dboss** Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:21 pm

First off the Celtics were down 20 and came all the way back to take the lead. It was an impressive run.

Before Kyrie got hurt Brown was the 2nd leading scorer on the team

In theory he should have went fron 2nd option to first option.

For the life of me I do not understand why Brad decided to run the play for Terry with Morris as the bailout option.

Let me apologize to all the fans out there that live in the Brad can do no wrong world.

And if ya wanta get your panties in a twist go right ahead. The last play was horrible. Morris played like he had dukey in his pants all game long. How do you not run a play that does NOT involves Jaylen?????

or for that matter what about Tatum???

This is another example of coach Stevens making a bad decision. Message to Brad: Jaylen Brown is your goto guy now. He has been delivering at a high level. He kept the team in the game and was the primary reason why the team caught up. He hit a 3 late in the qtr off the dribble that was so perfect I thought it was an air ball.

When a guy has the hot hand in a game where most of the team sucks, you must get him involved in the final 5 seconds.

by **worcester** Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:32 pm

+1 Dboss

Go with the hot hand.

by **bobheckler** Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:35 pm

Our 35 point, 30% fg% first half killed us. We score at a rate that is representative of a professional basketball team anywhere in the world and we win this game going away.

Rozier and Morris were a combined 7-26, 26.9%, while taking 30% of the team's total fgas. If they shot even the embarrassing 30% the team shot as a whole we'd have won. In Rozier's defense he also had 8 assists and got his one and only turnover of the series. In Morris' defense there's...uh...nothing. He just stunk the place up. I'm not blaming him for the missed last shot, most of the time he'll hit that, it's everything he did before that shot. Bledsoe was 3-9, slightly better than Rozier's 3-12 but only 5 assists. Remember when Eric Bledsoe was considered on of the next crop of elite point guards? He's getting leap-frogged because he cannot even clearly outplay Rozier on his home court.

Obviously the star is Jaylen. A new playoff AND career-high 34 points for him. Playoff series like this is what gets you serious consideration for the All-Star game next year, and he deserves it. He also got 3 of our total 6 steals and snagged 8 boards. Prunty had The Freak guarding him in the 2nd half. That's respect, at least, from the opposing coach. He was getting none, zero, from the refs.

Baynes with 9 but grabbed 11 boards. He also did a remarkably decent job of picking up and guarding Giannis when he got caught in a switch out at the arc. He stayed in front of Giannis and forced him into a jump shot and, boy, will I take that any day.

Monroe with 5 minutes, which is 5 minutes more than he deserved based upon his play.

10-29 from 3. Rozier 2-10.

73 fgas for the Bucks. For a team that likes to run like them that's excellent for us.

Thon Maker with 5 blocks.

Tatum with an awful first half (1-5) but a strong 2nd half, ending up 7-16 (6-11 in the 2nd half). His rookiness is starting to show itself some, I think. He got out-muscled by Giannis on that game-winning offensive rebound tip by Giannis and he just looks like he doesn't have a full menu of moves he can go to yet. He does this, he does that and then, when they stop those moves he passes the ball. That will change next year and onward but it's limiting his effectiveness this year because, in a 7 game series, he's is the subject of extensive film sessions. Nevertheless, despite all that, 21 points on pretty efficient scoring makes him looking better than his seniors.

Our bench was 15 points on 5-21 (23.8%). Their bench was 31 points on 10-21.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401029434

bob

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by **steve3344** Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:56 pm

bobheckler wrote:Our 35 point, 30% fg% first half killed us. We score at a rate that is representative of a professional basketball team anywhere in the world and we win this game going away.

Rozier and Morris were a combined 7-26, 26.9%, while taking 30% of the team's total fgas. If they shot even the embarrassing 30% the team shot as a whole we'd have won. In Rozier's defense he also had 8 assists and got his one and only turnover of the series. In Morris' defense there's...uh...nothing. He just stunk the place up. I'm not blaming him for the missed last shot, most of the time he'll hit that, it's everything he did before that shot. Bledsoe was 3-9, slightly better than Rozier's 3-12 but only 5 assists. Remember when Eric Bledsoe was considered on of the next crop of elite point guards? He's getting leap-frogged because he cannot even clearly outplay Rozier on his home court.

Obviously the star is Jaylen. A new playoff AND career-high 34 points for him. Playoff series like this is what gets you serious consideration for the All-Star game next year, and he deserves it. He also got 3 of our total 6 steals and snagged 8 boards. Prunty had The Freak guarding him in the 2nd half. That's respect, at least, from the opposing coach. He was getting none, zero, from the refs.

Baynes with 9 but grabbed 11 boards. He also did a remarkably decent job of picking up and guarding Giannis when he got caught in a switch out at the arc. He stayed in front of Giannis and forced him into a jump shot and, boy, will I take that any day.

Monroe with 5 minutes, which is 5 minutes more than he deserved based upon his play.

10-29 from 3. Rozier 2-10.

73 fgas for the Bucks. For a team that likes to run like them that's excellent for us.

Thon Maker with 5 blocks.

Tatum with an awful first half (1-5) but a strong 2nd half, ending up 7-16 (6-11 in the 2nd half). His rookiness is starting to show itself some, I think. He got out-muscled by Giannis on that game-winning offensive rebound tip by Giannis and he just looks like he doesn't have a full menu of moves he can go to yet. He does this, he does that and then, when they stop those moves he passes the ball. That will change next year and onward but it's limiting his effectiveness this year because, in a 7 game series, he's is the subject of extensive film sessions. Nevertheless, despite all that, 21 points on pretty efficient scoring makes him looking better than his seniors.

Our bench was 15 points on 5-21 (23.8%). Their bench was 31 points on 10-21.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401029434

bob

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"In Rozier's defense he also had 8 assists and got his one and only turnover of the series."

You said you didn't watch Friday's game so I'm guessing you missed the five turnovers TR had in that one (all in the first half).

by **sinus007** Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:56 pm

Hi,
Unfortunately, couldn't watch the game. What happened to Monroe? He played only 5 min?

AK

by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:57 pm

k_j_88 wrote:Oh but wait guys, don't start questioning Brad's decision-making because we aren't on the sidelines and somehow don't know any of what we're talking about. He's so smart we decided not to go with the hot hand Jaylen at the time and instead Morris, who has a terrible FG% in this game, gets the final shot.

KJ

I wasn’t even in the huddle, but knew that was a sucky play as soon as it touched his hands....

by **worcester** Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:58 pm

Another glimmer...Baynes is a keeper.

by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:04 pm

Morris is so bad when his iso game is off, can’t Brad figure out a way so that if he’s off, the offense and ball movement doesn’t have to come to such a grinding halt. The book is out on Morris, play him for his jumper and force him to drive, he can’t drive to save his life....

by **NYCelt** Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:09 pm

Tough game.

Bucks really stopped up Brown, Rozier and Tatum in the first half. Built that big lead and got yet another hot performance from Parker and Middleton with a big effort by Delly. Parker, sadly, is picking a lousy time to start looking healthy again after the injuries. Maker starting to look like a key defender. Bucks are among several rapidly building, good young teams in the East. The West is not going to be the big show much longer.

Brown did come back like a champ in the second half but it's hard to battle back from big holes like that. No questioning his mental toughness.

Hopefully the return to Boston Tuesday gets this back on track.

by **k_j_88** Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:12 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:Morris is so bad when his iso game is off, can’t Brad figure out a way so that if he’s off, the offense and ball movement doesn’t have to come to such a grinding halt. The book is out on Morris, play him for his jumper and force him to drive, he can’t drive to save his life....

My issue isn't so much Morris taking that shot. He can hit them. My issue is the fact that he wasn't the hot hand at that time. Both Jaylen and Jayson were clicking more on offense.

KJ

by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:17 pm

k_j_88 wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:Morris is so bad when his iso game is off, can’t Brad figure out a way so that if he’s off, the offense and ball movement doesn’t have to come to such a grinding halt. The book is out on Morris, play him for his jumper and force him to drive, he can’t drive to save his life....

My issue isn't so much Morris taking that shot. He can hit them. My issue is the fact that he wasn't the hot hand at that time. Both Jaylen and Jayson were clicking more on offense.

KJ

My issue is when his shot is off, he does so many bad things to put you in a hole.

by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:21 pm

Jaylen had 3 Pierce/Kobe like drives/finishes thru contact where Pierce would automatically get the opportunity for the +1, somebody better be showing this to the league office....???

by **swish** Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:28 pm

Does anyone have any evidence that the Morris final shot was dictated by Brad ?

swish

by **Matty** Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:36 pm

[quote="swish"]Does anyone have any evidence that the Morris final shot was dictated by Brad ?

swish[/quote

Plan b actually https://www.google.com/amp/s/nesn.com/2018/04/celtics-game-4-notes-brad-stevens-explains-why-marcus-morris-took-final-shot/amp/

by **k_j_88** Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pm

Matty wrote:
swish wrote:Does anyone have any evidence that the Morris final shot was dictated by Brad ?

swish[/quote

Plan b actually https://www.google.com/amp/s/nesn.com/2018/04/celtics-game-4-notes-brad-stevens-explains-why-marcus-morris-took-final-shot/amp/

He should've been Plan 'C' if anything, which further supports my point.

KJ

by **RosalieTCeltics** Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:00 pm

Funny, all year long we have seen and heard about Brad's ATO plays.
Granted, Morris was not, in our eyes, the one who should have taken that shot. What if he wasn't supposed to be the one? What would we think of Brad hanging him out to dry with the press after the game?

This loss did not come in those last seconds, it came in the first half, when this team just could not match the intensity of Milwaukee. It hurt, no doubt about that, but we live to play another game. Too much finger pointing going on for me.

by **swish** Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:06 pm

Matty wrote:
swish wrote:Does anyone have any evidence that the Morris final shot was dictated by Brad ?

swish[/quote

Plan b actually https://www.google.com/amp/s/nesn.com/2018/04/celtics-game-4-notes-brad-stevens-explains-why-marcus-morris-took-final-shot/amp/

Thanks Matty

swish

by **k_j_88** Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:26 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Funny, all year long we have seen and heard about Brad's ATO plays.
Granted, Morris was not, in our eyes, the one who should have taken that shot. What if he wasn't supposed to be the one? What would we think of Brad hanging him out to dry with the press after the game?

This loss did not come in those last seconds, it came in the first half, when this team just could not match the intensity of Milwaukee. It hurt, no doubt about that, but we live to play another game. Too much finger pointing going on for me.

I couldn't really see Steven's making that type of statement at a post-game press conference. Essentially what he said is the "safe answer." I don't so much have an issue with the comments he made because he pretty much has to. But anyone noticing the type of career game Jaylen was having has to wonder if he'd have been the better bet. If we eventually lose this series, that play will come up as a pivotal moment when the wrong decision was made. Sure, nothing is ever guaranteed. But 3-1 vs 2-2 is a huge difference. We just gave them new life.

But no, the game was out of hand early on (again) to be fair and it takes a great deal of effort to mount a comeback. Games seldom are the result of a single snapshot.

KJ

by **mulcogiseng** Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:32 pm

No doubt, the first half and esp the last part of quarter 1 and the 2nd, cost the game. We needed to come back from a 16 point deficit in this game, not 20. That's it in a nutshell.

Morris was his mercurial self once again. But, as a second option, I don't have a problem with him taking that shot.

Like others, I have a problem that TRo was the primary option and Morris the second and not Tatum and esp not Brown. Both of our young guys have real problems that they are working very hard to overcome. (think handle, getting blocked, TOS etc but they are the future and they are the present. Why weren't they present in this play?

So many things to point a finger at when you lost by two but its never just one thing.

The important takeaway is that even if the Bucks are playing their A game, this very depleted Celtics roster can compete with them and are, in fact, a better team.

Welcome to the NBA Playoffs First Round. In this best two of three game series, the Celtics have two games at home. Moving on.

by **bobheckler** Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:36 pm

Chris Forsberg @ESPNForsberg
about 3 hours ago
Jaylen Brown is the first player aged 21 or younger to score 30+ points twice in a playoff series since Derrick Rose did it in 2010, per @ESPNStatsInfo. Rose won the MVP award the following season.

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by **dboss** Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:42 pm

Celtics in 6

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