Warriors player calls Gordon Hayward 'a liability on both ends of the court'

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Warriors player calls Gordon Hayward 'a liability on both ends of the court'



NBC Sports Boston
January 27, 2019, 4:37 PM PST



Gordon Hayward has had his fair share of ups and downs this season. Saturday's game against the Warriors was one of the downs.


Hayward mustered only 2 points on 0-5 shooting in the Celtics' 115-111 loss to Golden State. His struggles apparently didn't go unnoticed by at least one member of the Warriors.

Jeff Goodman appearing on CLNS Media said he talked to one Warriors player that called Hayward a liability.

"I talked to a Warriors player who told me, ‘listen, Gordon Hayward is not Gordon Hayward right now'," said Goodman.

'He's hurting them.' the anonymous player continued. ‘He's a liability on both ends of the court.'

Goodman talks Hayward at the four-minute mark of the video below:




Hayward certainly hasn't looked like himself this season with the Celtics. The 2017 All-Star has improved since moving to the bench, but still is only averaging 10.8 points per game while averaging 42 percent from the field.

There's still plenty of time for Hayward to turn things around, and the Celtics will need him to do so if they're to compete for a title this season. The 28-year-old has admitted that his ankle is still impacting part of his game, so it remains to be seen when the lasting effects of his devastating injury from a season ago will finally subside.


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I love these guys that won't put their name out there.

Players rarely say much about other players so I am not surprised that the Warrior player may have not wanted his name out there.

I think that any Cs fan would be able to say the same thing about Hayward this season which makes it pretty easy for another player to see.

Hope he gets better by the playoffs.

I am sure this is a true story, but I don't think the GSW player was being malicious at all - seems like he feels for GH. Not sure why this is a news story though. Everyone with eyes knows it is true. But what can the Celtics do? They have invested a ton of money in GH. They can't trade him. The best course of action is what they are doing - give him minutes and hope he plays his way back into form. As Wide said in another post, if he is still under-performing come playoff time, then maybe you scale back his minutes. Until then, the best thing for the team, the best thing for GH, and the generally morally correct thing to do is let him try and play his way back some semblance of his former self.

Now that the AD situation is moving to the front of the line Boston needs to play Brown more to sell him to NOLA instead of JT. Ha..

I was speaking to 2 buddies, hoops guys, Knick fans that know the game, they were saying if Brown is traded he is going to blow up just like Olidipo, only bigger and better. I agreed with them and am not so sure JT is going to be better than JB going forward....

JT can score the basketball. He proved that last year as our second leading scorer. He hit a tough patch early but has found his way back and he is playing really well. I would hate to part with either JT or JB.

dboss wrote:JT can score the basketball.  He proved that last year as our second leading scorer.  He hit a tough patch early but has found his way back and he is playing really well.  I would hate to part with either JT or JB.  

Me too, I think they can become special players, multiple all star games type, might be 2-3 after Doncic as the best young wings in the game. I just don’t think Tatum is surely better or going to be better than Brown, a lot of people assume, I don’t see it, even though I think Tatum is very very talented, but so is Jaylen.

how about Danny trade Hayward for Marc Gasol

I say give them back that first of theirs we have to get it done.

we can get Haywards money off our books and get another big man (albeit an older one)

beats sending most of our young assets and draft picks for AD.

Won’t happen, why do you keep bringing this up? Try something realistic, DA will wait the year out with him, and see what happens. Who is going to make that trade? Get real

By the way, tell that GSW player to show his face and say it in public. No guts. Easy to hit a guy when he is down. My guess is that it is Green, he has no class at all

RosalieTCeltics wrote:By the way, tell that GSW player to show his face and say it in public. No guts. Easy to hit a guy when he is down. My guess is that it is Green, he has no class at all

 Good one Rosie, no question that guy needs a filter....

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Won’t happen, why do you keep bringing this up? Try something realistic, DA will wait the year out with him, and see what happens. Who is going to make that trade? Get real

you got my one trick pony.....I don't like Haywards game and never liked the money Danny over paid for him. So I am always looking for a way to pawn that deal on any team that would be stupid enough to take it back.

but you are likely correct, that no other team will want him , I just hope Hayward doesn't end up costing us losing players like Tatum and Brown due to cap issues in the future.

I will try to control myself in the future....


but no guarantees......

kdp59 wrote:

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Won’t happen, why do you keep bringing this up? Try something realistic, DA will wait the year out with him, and see what happens. Who is going to make that trade? Get real

you got my one trick pony.....I  don't like Haywards game and never liked the money Danny over paid for him. So I am always looking for a way to pawn that deal on any team that would be stupid enough to take it back.

but you are likely correct, that no other team will want him , I just hope Hayward doesn't end up costing us losing players like Tatum and Brown due to cap issues in the future.

I will try to control myself in the future....


but no guarantees......

kdp59

I have already accepted the real possibility that GH may never get close to his allstar performance. But none of us are inside his body. None of us are inside his mind so we only judge the hits and misses but remain oblivious to his future.

The fact of the matter is that I have zero positive history with Gordon Hayward. What ever perception that I have of him can only be considered in conjunction with his time in UTAH.

Celtics history is a 5 minute appearance in game 1 of 2017 along with a gruesome injury, a year of rehab updates and a 45 game look this season with 16 starts and a demotion to the bench. It is very disappointing. No blame on him but it has been a disappointment. As a Celtics fan I hope a year of being back will set the foundation for next year but I have seen absolutely nothing that tells me he can help us win this year.

That is the long and short of it.

Celtics fans should not expect too much from him this year and Brad Stevens really needs to consider this as he allocates minutes to his players.

Rosalie I can see that you are upset that a GSW player made remarks about GH. It could have been made with malice intent or it could have been a post game observation. Whatever the reason was, it was the truth. That is a hard pill to swallow for a Celtics nation that love and embraces their players. No one likes to hear an opposing team put down our guys. How dare they!

But this is a team that simply needs to find a way to win. That is the only thing that matters in the big picture.

Judging from the way Jaylen is playing, there is a bright light shinning there. He has come on in the last few weeks and is playing like the Jaylen of late last year. In that case, he deserves as many minutes as he or Stevens wants.

I am not blind, as I have said, I see that Hayward is struggling, especially in that GSW game. Last night, he did not score, but I thought otherwise he was out there contributing. He had rebounds, I believe he stole the ball a couple of times, But I know that this is not what is needed from a player playing the minutes he is playing.

I can only hope. As I pointed out last night, he is not getting his hands on the ball when he is wide open much at all. It is a three man game out there when the young players are in. Yet, in turn, he shares the ball, passing to them when they have a better shot at the basket than he does. He has to shoot more to get his rhythm back. Everyone has patience for Rozier, why not Gordon?

Everyone has patience for Rozier, why not Gordon?

$31M compared to $3M

I know some say the dollars don't matter but they do.

I personally would be fine if hayward was making $15M /year, But he was never worth a Max deal, IMO.

that deal is now an albatross around the teams cap and will be until it is over.

Regardless of our opinions, the best course of action seems to be to continue to give GH minutes and hope he finds his game. What are the other options? We can't trade him now. If we sit him, we will never be able to trade him without including a valuable sweetener, and he will be the most expensive bench warmer in the NBA. Come play-offs, if he is still not producing, then maybe he sits. Until then, we should just play him and hope he finds his groove. If Rosalie is right and players are freezing him out, then Brad needs to have a talk with them. I suspect that some of GH's problems come from mental doubts, and a new article everyday declaring him washed up doesn't help. Really wish everyone would just back off and give the kid a chance to get it together.

Ditto. How would anyone feel if they felt the world was against them. High profile players especially. I guess there is some idiot behind the Celtic bench who is heckling him. I would imagine, he won't have a seat pretty soon or they will move him to the upper balcony!!!

Time is a great healer, here's hoping.

RosalieTCeltics wrote: I guess there is some idiot behind the Celtic bench who is heckling him.  I would imagine, he won't have a seat pretty soon or they will move him to the upper balcony!!

If that is true, I would rather see the guy locked in a room with Marcus and Semi for 10 minutes....

Shamrock1000 wrote:Regardless of our opinions, the best course of action seems to be to continue to give GH minutes and hope he finds his game. What are the other options? We can't trade him now. If we sit him, we will never be able to trade him without including a valuable sweetener, and he will be the most expensive bench warmer in the NBA. Come play-offs, if he is still not producing, then maybe he sits. Until then, we should just play him and hope he finds his groove. If Rosalie is right and players are freezing him out, then Brad needs to have a talk with them. I suspect that some of GH's problems come from mental doubts, and a new article everyday declaring him washed up doesn't help. Really wish everyone would just back off and give the kid a chance to get it together.

Rock

The Celtics have no choice but to give him a chance. They have made a huge investment and as of today they have no return on investment. The way I see it is that he has to play and Brad can get him involved more by running some plays for him. That may help his confidence. In the end however he still is the one who has to knock down that shot or get to the rim and finish.

Brad is trying to find a role for him. GH is our 6th man. GH is a very poor fit for a 6th man given his inability to immediately impact the game.

Brad probably knows nothing about Frank Ramsey or Larry Siegfried. John Havlicek and Paul Silas played 6th man roles for the Celtics at some point in their careers. ML Carr was a 6th man. Kevin Mchale was a 6th man. The history of the 6th man was an invention by Red and it proved to be a decisive advantage for Boston.

So yes he needs to play but he is no 6th man. He is just a rotation player until he proves otherwise. A 6th man is really a 6th starter.

dboss wrote:

Shamrock1000 wrote:Regardless of our opinions, the best course of action seems to be to continue to give GH minutes and hope he finds his game. What are the other options? We can't trade him now. If we sit him, we will never be able to trade him without including a valuable sweetener, and he will be the most expensive bench warmer in the NBA. Come play-offs, if he is still not producing, then maybe he sits. Until then, we should just play him and hope he finds his groove. If Rosalie is right and players are freezing him out, then Brad needs to have a talk with them. I suspect that some of GH's problems come from mental doubts, and a new article everyday declaring him washed up doesn't help. Really wish everyone would just back off and give the kid a chance to get it together.

Rock

The Celtics have no choice but to give him a chance.  They have made a huge investment and as of today they have no return on investment.  The way I see it is that he has to play and Brad can get him involved more by running some plays for him.  That may help his confidence.  In the end however he still is the one who has to knock down that shot or get to the rim and finish.

Brad is trying to find a role for him.  GH is our 6th man.  GH is a very poor fit for a 6th man given his inability to immediately impact the game.

Brad probably knows nothing about Frank Ramsey or Larry Siegfried.  John Havlicek and Paul Silas played 6th man roles for the Celtics at some point in their careers.  ML Carr was a 6th man.  Kevin Mchale was a 6th man.  The history of the 6th man was an invention by Red and it proved to be a decisive advantage for Boston.

So yes he needs to play but he is no 6th man.  He is just a rotation player until he proves otherwise.  A 6th man is really a 6th starter.  

Dboss - that makes sense and is a fair point. The only additional consideration might be that Gordon could see that move as Brad/Danny losing confidence in him, thus further eroding his confidence and lodging that mental block even more deeply in his brain. It is a complex situation, with no east answers. In retrospect, it may have been better to bring him along slowly, coming off the bench in a non-6th-man role early in the season - of course hindsight is 20/20....

My 2 cents: Playing time is earned. GH is not performing well, therefore needs to play less. The situation is complicated by Brad's friendship with GH, and an uncertain recovery from injury. If playing time is not clearly earned on a team where so many have valid claims to being more productive than GH, team morale will sink. Everyone hopes, and many expect, GH will regain much of his form. I don't know, defer to Dr. W. on that. I thought Hayward was good, not great in Utah, certainly not a max contract player. As for his touches, I haven't seen that he's been shut out, but in many games, he passes up open looks and often the team winds up with a worse selection. The whole mess could be fixed if GH began to excel; short of that Brad has to step up. I know there is an argument that even if a player is killing us now, better to lose in the winter than in the playoffs. I buy that argument with Williams; he needs PT now if he's going to help in April. Every time Williams gets a minute, it seems the team is energized, knowing that minutes invested now will pay dividends, also that we finally have a shot-blocking center. When GH comes in, I don't detect that. I don't dislike GH; from all accounts he seems a fine man. I am sorry for him, as sorry as I can be for anyone making $30 million a year. Hawk.

Hawk and Rock

What a messed up situation. I expect him to keep playing but I would cut his minutes unless we are in some blowout situation and until he actually plays well over. The scary thing for me as a fan is when I see him go up for a rebound or take a jump shot or try to cut to the rim off the dribble I keep praying that he will not get hurt.

He had a couple of really good games this year. He may be able to play basketball but he may not be able to play it well.

It is clear to me that his teammates hope he gets back but they have little confidence in him. Brad can play him however he chooses but brad needs a give and take approach

Hayward was never that athletic anyway. I think most of it is in his head and he will get it ironed out. He plays at his own speed just like he did at Utah. If his shot was dropping like it did before he got hurt we wouldn't be talking about his. He still gets some assists, makes the correct pass, rebounds some. He struggles on defense and his shooting has dropped off. I think a lot of people are giving up on him too soon. I think the All star game will give him some rest and will play better the second half the year.

Here's hoping! Go Celtics! Hawk.