How long does Kyrie keep Ainge on the string??

Does he play it right and at least let the Celtics know he is leaving so they can set their sights on another
Point guard? Or do they already know? Or.......is he an ass and just walks on June 30 at 6:00??????

Rick Boucher....the worst reporter in basketball has him going to either Brooklyn or.......the Lakers. He said Kobe is working on him to come to LA. This happens and all his credibility is lost. If he thinks he had it rough
Here last year at times, our fans will eat him alive.

This whole scenario is repulsive to me. Oh...and by the way, he also said Kyrie just bought a big house in East
Orange, NJ. Gee, he and Russell will really get along, two ball hogs

I think Ainge makes the offer to sign him and just makes offseason decisions like he isn't coming back.

Obviously, he is going to decide when it suits him. When did Ainge tell IT he was gone? How much of a heads-up did he give him? DA needs to do his job and not delegate it to Irving.

The longer Kyrie waits the worse it is for Boston.
I would think they would have to know his intentions at least days before the draft which is in a little over 3 weeks.
Boston’s draft picks and a possible trade offer for AD all depend on knowing if Kyrie will be staying with Boston.

I don’t think Kyrie and Russell could survive in the same backcourt.
They would be a terrible defensive backcourt and both would want to control the offense. Brooklyn won’t know until July if Russell will be staying, and if so, at what price?

You are right there. Those two will be fighting before February

Why does everybody think it won’t work, didn’t Chris Paul and Harden work to some degree? They share the point guard duties and take pressure off each other, Kyrie and DR could do the same thing. I would agree they would also get abused defensively, nether is Klay Thompson or Smart on defense.

Russell is a RFA, so the Nets control him this year.

they can also renounce his rights, if they sign Irving (or another top level FA PG, like K. Walker say).

I don''t really see this as a problem for the Nets to sign any PG myself.

as for Boston, we won't have a lot of options to add a top line FA PG if Irving leaves anyway. Rozier would likely be back (at least for the start of the year). SO those who says Danny needs to just work his plan are probably spot on.

I know that Danny Ainge likes Irving, but he (Ainge) can control this situation.

I would recommend that he just tell Irving that he will no longer be needed as soon as possible as this
would allow him to make whatever decisions he would have to make if Irving does go somewhere else much sooner.

There is absolutely no guarantee that Mr. Irving changes his ways no matter who else is on the Cs next year. Leopards do not change their spots as the old story goes.

For this reason, I see no good reason to either bring him back even at his current salary and even more reason to not bring him back at a much higher max salary. There has to be a better way for the Cs to spend max salary while still getting a top level guard (Kemba Walker?).

wideclyde wrote:I know that Danny Ainge likes Irving, but he (Ainge) can control this situation.

I would recommend that he just tell Irving that he will no longer be needed as soon as possible as this
would allow him to make whatever decisions he would have to make if Irving does go somewhere else much sooner.

There is absolutely no guarantee that Mr. Irving changes his ways no matter who else is on the Cs next year. Leopards do not change their spots as the old story goes.

For this reason, I see no good reason to either bring him back even at his current salary and even more reason to not bring him back at a much higher max salary.  There has to be a better way for the Cs to spend max salary while still getting a top level guard (Kemba Walker?).

we have no cap space even if Irving leaves for K. Walker or any other top line FA, we would still be over the cap.

we all need to understand this, because the cap issues WILL help define the way Danny proceeds this off-season.

Myself, I would rather let Irving walk. However doing so would mean that I would have to resign Rozier and Morris (as long as Morris gets less than $12M per). My reasoning would be I am keeping the team together minus Irving only , while adding rookies to replace Gibson, Wannamaker and Yabusele (trade him or eat his deal for the roster spot) on the roster.

Re-sign Theis and keep Baynes too

add a vet Guard at the MLE.

my roster next year:

Horford
Baynes
Rob Williams
M. Kabengele- #20 pick
Morris
Theis
B. Clarke-#14 pick
Tatum
Hayward
Semi
Brown
Smart
Rozier
I. Thomas- MLE
T. Jerome- #22 pick


However I THINK Ainge will double down with keeping Irving (if he can) and go hard for Anthony Davis in a trade, meaning a big off-season roster turnover..

I really do not see what the rush is here. Free agency begins on June 30th. The NBA championship round is upon us. The 2019 NBA draft is a few weeks away.

Making a decision to sign or leave Boston is a big decision. But i do not think he will make a decision quickly. I think he would consider leaving if Boston is not able to bring in another elite level player (AD)

Boston fans are impatient and demand immediate answers. We have spent the better part of month trying to figure out what happened this year. There has been a lot of finger pointing.

Who knows who comes or goes. The only thing I know for certain is that if Boston really wants to compete for a title they need to address their front line. I think Boston should have played much better collectively as a team all year but even if they had they simply lack highend talent in the frontcourt that other teams like the Bucks and Raptors have.

Danny probably has more on his plate this off season than I can remember. He is not looking to replace his PG unless he has to. He does not want to part with a lot of guys on this team but he has done so in the past. He already knows how this works.

Celtics fans...This team will not win until they add a dominant big man to the mix. And at this point there is no appetite for more of the same, drafting and developing. We need a stud yesterday.

You are right there Dboss, impatient puts it mildly. I guess it is the waiting that is so hard.

We all say that Danny has the final say on what goes on but after that interview that Wyc gave at the end of the year, I wonder if he would sign off on a big contract for Irving. He was a very unhappy owner.

I guess you are right, time to wait and see.

No rush. Nothing but conjecture.

Patience. Oh, and enjoy the Bruins.

Kyrie's putative new home iis in West Orange, NJ.

mrkleen09 wrote:No rush.  Nothing but conjecture.

Patience.  Oh, and enjoy the Bruins.  

Don't forget that the Red Sox are on the rise.

mrkleen09 wrote:No rush.  Nothing but conjecture.

Patience.  Oh, and enjoy the Bruins.  

The Bruins have been quite enjoyable! Now just three more wins please.

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dboss wrote:I really do not see what the rush is here.  Free agency begins on June 30th.  The NBA championship round is upon us.  The 2019 NBA draft is a few weeks away.

Making a decision to sign or leave Boston is a big decision.  But i do not think he will make a decision quickly.  I think he would consider leaving if Boston is not able to bring in another elite level player (AD)

Boston fans are impatient and demand immediate answers.  We have spent the better part of  month trying to figure out what happened this year.  There has been a lot of finger pointing.

Who knows who comes or goes.  The only thing I know for certain is that if Boston really wants to compete for a title they need to address their front line.   I think Boston should have played much better collectively as a team all year but even if they had they simply lack highend talent in the frontcourt that other teams like the Bucks and Raptors have.

Danny probably has more on his plate this off season than I can remember.  He is not looking to replace his PG unless he has to.  He does not want to part with a lot of guys on this team but he has done so in the past.  He already knows how this works.

Celtics fans...This team will not win until they add a dominant big man to the mix.  And at this point there is no appetite for more of the same, drafting and developing.  We need a stud yesterday.  

Dboss I’ve heard this stated before and I agree somewhat, but don’t think its necessary. I would love a great big man and all Celtic teams that have won have had an all NBA caliber big doing great big man things I get it. But the 2 teams in the Finals this year do not have an all NBA type big, Giannis and Embid didn’t make it and GS got there without Cousins, but they have great wings and backcourt, well one has a HoF backcourt. In previous years GS and Cavs and even Heat did not have a superstar big, but those teams were always in Finals. Hopefully we can get a serviceable big in draft, Gafford or Bassey to groom with Williams and if they are as good together as Siakim, Ibaka or Capella in a few years, that might be as good as it gets and good enough to compliment the other budding all stars to be already on the roster.

its not about elite big men anymore. its about having one of the top 5 players in the NBA on your roster.


Just look at the teams who have played in the NBA final the last 10 years.

GS- 5 times with S. Curry and 3 with Durant as well
Clev- 4 times with L. James
Mia- 4 times with James and Wade
SA- 2 times with K. Leonard and and aging T. Duncan
Tor- once with K. Leonard
Dal- once with a 32YO Dirk
Lakers- once with Kobe
Celtics- once with Pierce and KG

want to play in the finals, get one of the top players in the NBA over a big man.

this is why Danny got Irving , IMO.

kdp59 wrote:its not about elite big men anymore. its about having one of the top 5 players in the NBA on your roster.


Just look at the teams who have played in the NBA final the last 10 years.

GS- 5 times with S. Curry and 3 with Durant as well
Clev- 4 times with L. James
Mia- 4 times with James and Wade
SA- 2 times with K. Leonard and and aging T. Duncan
Tor- once with K. Leonard
Dal- once with a 32YO Dirk
Lakers- once with Kobe
Celtics- once with Pierce and KG

want to play in the finals, get one of the top players in the NBA over a big man.

this is why Danny got Irving , IMO.

It’s a fair take. But it could be that now with the emphasis on high volume/high percentage 3 point shooting, it’s less about the best player. Teams that play well together, getting and hitting those 3s and playing good team D could take precedence over an otherworldly talent who disrupts team chemistry.

We will get to watch a clinic in these next few games. These guys, on both teams, know how to play together. For a while this year it looked like Drammond Green might be the odd man out. No way now, he is basically the heart and soul of the Warriors. I do not know what the off season will bring, but Kwahi has proved to me that he is so close to Durant as the best player in the league, I am just blown away by him. And the guy just goes out and does it, no bitching at the ref's, no yelling at teammates, just does his job and does it well. Where he ends up I don't know but he would be a hero if he stayed in Toronto and was able to beat these guys .

You get to the place where you almost forget how well teams that work together can do. This is what we lacked this year and had in the playoffs last year. I think about the crazy games we won in the last minutes last year that we lost this year.

we can go over and over this, but it is beating a dead horse. As said before, patience!

RosalieTCeltics wrote:We will get to watch a clinic in these next few games. These guys, on both teams, know how to play together.  For a while this year it looked like Drammond Green might be the odd man out. No way now, he is basically the heart and soul of the Warriors.  I do not know what the off season will bring, but Kwahi has proved to me that he is so close to Durant as the best player in the league, I am just blown away by him. And the guy just goes out and does it, no bitching at the ref's, no yelling at teammates, just does his job and does it well. Where he ends up I don't know but he would be a hero if he stayed in Toronto and was able to beat these guys .  

You get to the place where you almost forget how well teams that work together can do. This is what we lacked this year and had in the playoffs last year. I think about the crazy games we won in the last minutes last year that we lost this year.

we can go over and over this, but it is beating a dead horse. As said before, patience!

True. His situation last year bothers me. Why did he quit on that team?

Somehow, someone, some way in S.A. hurt Kawhi's feelings. That is what it boils down to.

We have read a few things about what happened and it appears to be related to his injury and him losing confidence in the Spurs medical team, combined with a family member (uncle) pushing him to leave and go home to LA.

It will be very interesting to see if he does leave.  The Raptors have finally made it to the big dance and if he stays they will remain competitive.

I think the Clippers will be in the mix to sign him but not the Lakers. The Raptors should be the team most likely to keep him.

Danny has his work cut out for him. I neither love nor hate Kyrie, but if he just walks, that is not good since we cannot use the money to sign someone else. Regardless of whether you think we can win with Kyrie or not, him walking would be a straight loss of a huge asset.

One possibility is that Danny goes all in to pair AD with Kyrie. On paper, that looks like a winner. Of course, on paper, last years Celtic's team looked like a winner. If this were to work, AD would need to be 'the man'. Would Kyrie be okay with being a "Robin" again after the stink he made in Cleveland? Would AD have a strong enough personality to assume the alpha position? I think you can win with Kyrie as Robin - that has been proven. Not sure you can win with Kyrie as Batman.

Some people have mentioned doing a sign and trade with Kyrie. That would be great, but I see no motivation for Kyrie to do this. He might like Danny ok, but I don't see that Kyrie has any connection to the Boston sports culture like Pierce or KG or even Antoine. To be fair, he hasn't been here long, and he hasn't been completely loved while he has been here. Regardless, I don't think he feels like he owes Boston any favors.

We could sign him now and trade him later. If we do though, I think we end up getting 50 cents for a dollar, and wasting at least half a season on a side path.

Things have quickly become very complicated. I suppose that is why Danny gets the big bucks. The good thing is that even if the worst case scenario occurs and Kyrie just walks, we know the remaining team can play.

RosalieTCeltics wrote:We will get to watch a clinic in these next few games. These guys, on both teams, know how to play together.  For a while this year it looked like Drammond Green might be the odd man out. No way now, he is basically the heart and soul of the Warriors.  I do not know what the off season will bring, but Kwahi has proved to me that he is so close to Durant as the best player in the league, I am just blown away by him. And the guy just goes out and does it, no bitching at the ref's, no yelling at teammates, just does his job and does it well. Where he ends up I don't know but he would be a hero if he stayed in Toronto and was able to beat these guys .  

You get to the place where you almost forget how well teams that work together can do. This is what we lacked this year and had in the playoffs last year. I think about the crazy games we won in the last minutes last year that we lost this year.

we can go over and over this, but it is beating a dead horse. As said before, patience!

Curry has showed why he won TWO MVPs since Durant has been out, IMO too.