The cost of NBA tampering and lottery reform for Celtics

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/8/2/20726697/nba-trades-tampering-investigation-kawhi-leonard-kemba-walker-free-agency-offseason-clippers-draft




The cost of NBA tampering and lottery reform for Celtics




Three trades for All-Stars this summer cost what the Celtics got in the Brooklyn haul and then some. Was this a flash in the pan or a worry for the Celtics toward their next star pursuit?




By Bobby Manning@RealBobManning  Aug 2, 2019, 11:00am EDT




Mark D. Smith-USA TODAY Sports



Every summer features winners and losers. Some teams manage to become both. The Celtics lost Kyrie Irving after the ugly dismantlement of a team poised for greatness. His departure, along with Al Horford’s, could have smeared Boston’s perception as a free agency destination — until Kemba Walker filled the void.

Walker represented a saving grace for Boston’s perceived spiraling culture, but larger trends followed his 6 p.m. signing on June 30, ones with troubling implications for all front offices. The cost of acquiring a star skyrocketed, in part due to player power grabs and NBA Draft reform. The Celtics’ restrained stance in trade negotiations will make it difficult to complement Walker if tampering and pick devaluing continue.

The Pelicans and Grizzlies’ ascent to the top of the lottery sparked the summer of mad packages. New York’s tanking went unrewarded. Picks appeared disposable, as more randomness was implemented in the lottery. Draft talent has flatlined, at least until the much anticipated “double draft” in a few years. Rebuilders need more shots, especially if small markets continue to send their home grown stars to the coasts.


Ryan Bernardoni
@dangercart
· Jun 20, 2019
A few thoughts on this...

I went into my draft analysis file to look at the trends discussed here because I was also pretty sure that yes, the league is getting "worse" at drafting. 1/x https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1141666319659614208 …

Tom Haberstroh

@tomhaberstroh
“It’s still a crapshoot. With all the available resources and new technology, we certainly haven’t gotten better.”

The NBA draft is getting younger and younger but are teams getting worse at picking/developing talent? https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/are-we-getting-worse-nba-draft …


Ryan Bernardoni
@dangercart
If you take 5 season VORP production for picks since 1985 (lottery era) and then graph all that, you'll find that the SLOPE (black line) is increasing (when you stack them pick 1-60 instead of 60-1 like in the piece).

This means drafts are getting "flatter" which is "worse." 2/x


6:24 AM - Jun 20, 2019


Anthony Davis cost the Lakers the No. 4 overall pick, a 2021 first-rounder (top-eight protected, defers to 2022), a 2023 pick swap and the choice between LA’s 2024 and 2025 selections. With former lottery picks Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram included, LA stripped itself of past and future prospects.

The NBA tried to limit those hauls by banning teams from dealing consecutive first-rounders — the Ted Stepian rule. Brooklyn famously skirted that by sending four first-rounders to Boston using pick swaps in alternating seasons. Then a rush of trades as big, if not larger, followed.


Kawhi Leonard coerced the Clippers to acquire Paul George. That leverage netted the Thunder unprotected Heat (2021) and Clippers (2022) picks. Two pick swaps and unprotected LAC selections 2023-2026 rendered it the largest pick heist ever.

It only took a few weeks for OKC to stockpile more from the Rockets. To dump Chris Paul and acquire Russell Westbrook, Daryl Morey agreed to 2021 and 2025 (1-20 protected) swaps and sent 1-4 protected picks in 2024 and 2026.

Oklahoma flexed control over the draft board in 2021, 2024 and 2026. The power moves would make Danny Ainge blush if they didn’t diminish the value of the treasure chest of draft assets he commands. The value of Memphis’ pick reflected yesterday’s market.


CNBC Now

@CNBCnow
· Jul 31, 2019
Replying to @CNBCnow
Dow drops more than 200 points as Powell hints rate cut was just an ‘adjustment,’ not the start of a trend https://cnb.cx/2YiKpT9



CNBC Now

@CNBCnow
BREAKING: Dow extends drop to more than 300 points and more than 1% http://cnb.cx/2YiKpT9



11:50 AM - Jul 31, 2019


The Celtics aren’t rebuilding, nor are they in a market as small as OKC. They face the same issue if this summer becomes the norm — every team not in NYC or LA does. Players can push their way out of contracts several seasons before their expiration.

That means even if a rebuilder defies the odds and drafts well, those players can bounce during their rookie deal. If George could escape OKC with two years remaining, why couldn’t Zion Williamson in two years?

Maybe this isn’t a trend. The Thunder losing George allowed them to leap headfirst into a difficult parting with Westbrook and his max contract which seemed impossible otherwise. If it is a sign of things to come, Boston’s in trouble on their road to regaining contention.

Teams establish control through restricted free agency and a rule barring free agency for players who sit out. The Pelicans’ short-lived attempt to reverse Davis’ trade request and the pain of watching him play after he signed with Klutch showed the limitation of team control.

It’s also becoming harder than ever to determine if young talent is worth investing in if their rookie deal does not yield max results. That’s where the Celtics stand with Jaylen Brown. He’s extension-eligible, ready for max money and the C’s haven’t bit.

Boston’s palatable summer constructed a good team that doesn’t appear capable of reaching the NBA Finals. A second star needs to emerge next to Walker for that to change. The Celtics could wait for Brown and Tatum to reach that point, possibly paying max money ahead of time anticipating the leap.


Russ Isabella-USA TODAY Sports


If it’s not them, Ainge has to look outside. The league realized with few superstars available — and two needed to win — a few depreciating draft picks won’t suffice. Boston would need to part with both Tatum and Brown or their entire draft stash in any future negotiation.

It’s unclear if that wave continues or even if the Celtics would ride it. Reports of hangups on trade calls paint the image of a team inseparably attached to its assets. Tatum apparently never hit the table in Davis talks, so the Celtics never had a chance of competing with LA’s final offer.

That Walker acquisition, even Gordon Hayward’s several seasons ago, were smash hits. They cost nothing more than money the team has to spend anyway. The franchises able to sign the NBA’s best players remain winners. Boston still has that — with an outside chance Hayward recovers to become a solid #2.

The NBA’s investigation into salary cap violations showed that it could cost more than cap space to sign a star now. Leonard cost a max contract, plus the George haul. With that in mind, I wonder what Ainge does if Irving wanted to return, and demanded Kevin Durant join him with a year of recovery from a torn Achilles tendon. Would Ainge have shed other pieces to sign KD and keep Irving? That’s the era of possibilities we’re entering.



bob



.

Would Ainge have shed other pieces to sign KD and keep Irving?

I shudder at the very thought.

I for one would have enjoyed seeing Anthony Davis here this year.

KDP,

If Davis had wanted to play in Boston, he would have voiced his desire. But, since he said that he wanted to play only in L.A., I say that it would never have been worth trading for him by Ainge.

Let him play in LA and watch him on TV.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. The idea that all the players want to go to NYC or LA is pure speculation. Davis , Irving and Leonard all had their own individual reasons for the moves they made. Same with Lebron and Durant. The Lakers have mortgaged their future on something that is far from a sure thing. I think Ainge was right to hold on to Tatum and Brown. Guys don't come into the league as super stars. They are drafted, learn their crafts and build their resumes. Curry , Leonard, Klay Thompson are all examples of that. To me, this article is alarmist nonsense.

"Three trades for All-Stars this summer cost what the Celtics got in the Brooklyn haul and then some. Was this a flash in the pan or a worry for the Celtics toward their next star pursuit?"


I thought the Celtics got JT and JB as part of the haul and I believe they are still on the team.

Dboss,

The three trades he is talking about is AD, Paul and Leonard.  The cost for these players was more than we got for Pierce and KG.  His worry is about our cost for our next all star quest.

Of course the cost was higher.  Those three are all stars in their prime.  Our two were former all stars past their prime.

Apples and oranges.

dboss wrote:"Three trades for All-Stars this summer cost what the Celtics got in the Brooklyn haul and then some. Was this a flash in the pan or a worry for the Celtics toward their next star pursuit?"


I thought the Celtics got JT and JB as part of the haul and I believe they are still on the team.

                          +1