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It’s official NBA has a refereeing problem

cowens/oldschool wrote:It’s official NBA has a refereeing problem

Cow,

I agree, but what recent event caused you to state the obvious?

He was just stating a fact, right Cow??? I watch the Celtics with the eyes of a "homer" so I know I am the worst one at complaining about ref's, but these guys this year, they know nothing. Have you ever seen so many game stopages so they can do a rerun on the video? The worst we have seen in a long time.

So......I agree, but you must have been watching something that caused this statement!!!!

RosalieTCeltics wrote:He was just stating a fact, right Cow??? I watch the Celtics with the eyes of a "homer" so I know I am the worst one at complaining about ref's, but these guys this year, they know nothing.  Have you ever seen so many game stopages so they can do a rerun on the video?  The worst we have seen in a long time.  

So......I agree, but you must have been watching something that caused this statement!!!!

What really bugs me is when the refs take the time to go to video and STILL get it wrong.

The Jazz game and the Suns game. Crucial play was overturned when Jazz player clearly saved ball in mid air, somehow was overturned and ball given to Sixers....bullshit call

Suns game they threw out Booker, really...??? Let’s get rid of your best player....

They are throwing guys out now for stares, can not imagine Larry back in the day talking smack, he would be ejected....

They are so out of control IMHO

Cow,

Refs gone wild?

Montrezl Harrell got a laughable technical foul for yelling 'and-1'

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-lakers-montrezl-harrell-got-a-laughable-technical-foul-for-yelling-and-1-141250984.html

Liz Roscher

Thu, March 4, 2021, 9:12 AM

It wasn't a banner night for NBA officiating on Wednesday. While the Utah Jazz's Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert laid down petty, expletive-laden rants about how there's a grand conspiracy to keep small market teams down because they're not getting the calls they want, Montrezl Harrell and the Los Angeles Lakers had an actual, legitimate gripe with the refs in their 123-120 loss to the Sacramento Kings.

Yelling 'and-1' is apparently a technical foul now

Harrell was the victim of some soft refereeing on Wednesday night when he was given a technical with 10:51 left in the second quarter. After scoring on a layup, he yelled "and-1" because he thought he'd been fouled. Yelling "and-1" is a tradition in today's NBA — it's done all the time and it usually results in nothing.

It didn't result in nothing this time. Referee Jenna Schroeder apparently took offense to hearing something she's probably heard hundreds of times in her career, and gave Harrell a technical. In the video clip, you can see just how flabbergasted Harrell is to receive a technical on something as normal as yelling "and-1."


Harrell hadn't cooled off about it when he spoke with the media after the game. Via Silver Screen and Roll:

“I’m not looking at her (during the play), I was not near her vicinity, I’m running back on defense, and what I said was ‘and-1.’ No cursing, no profanity, none of that. And she turned around and gave me a tech because she was in her feelings. Because she felt like I was too loud with her or I belittled her when I was talking,” Harrell continued. “You can’t bring that into the game. I don’t care who it is, I don’t care what the situation is, man. Like everybody on the bench, everybody in the arena, even the guy sitting at the scorer’s table said you can’t do that. You can’t give a guy a tech for saying ‘and-1.’

“If I’m going to get a tech for saying and-1, man, then they might as well just tech me up all year, man, because I’ve said way worse than that and haven’t been given a tech. So it is what it is, man. I can’t control that. I’m gonna keep playing with the same passion and pride that I do. I didn’t stop talking the rest of the game, I kept playing with the same fire and same motor that I have all game. So it just is what it is.”


Harrell is probably looking at a pretty juicy fine for those comments, but it's hard to blame him for being salty. All he did was yell "and-1," something players do all the time. That simply can't be worth a technical foul. If it is now, we're going to be seeing an incomprehensible number of technicals assessed around the league, and nobody wants to see that kind of basketball.

Hi,
To be fair, Harrell yelled "and-1" at the ref as a complain of not getting and-1.

AK

sinus007 wrote:Hi,
To be fair, Harrell yelled "and-1" at the ref as a complain of not getting and-1.

AK

That's not what I saw in the video. (use link to see it)

Referee Jenna Schroeder was behind the play, the other two refs were on the sidelines. Harrell wasn't looking at any of them at the time. He was just running back on defense.

Yelling "and-1" happens 10 times a game. What makes this time so much worse than the others? Is this going to be a new policy?

He's a Laker, so it's all good.

good God, Tatum is on the verge all the time, all he does is throw his arms up and stare at ref's, I cannot believe he has not been thrown out yet this year. This has become a terrible habit with him as he thinks just because he goes to the basket, they should give him a call. If he went more, they would have no choice. Looking for the easy way out when he blows a shot. But, even when he is fouled, it has to be blatant for them to call it because he has a reputation of being a cry baby.

Half the league is getting the same way, but the ref's have taken over the game so much at certain points that there should be something done about it. Too many crunch time calls reversed that later on the league says should have been called the other way. It is tiring watching these guys was so much time looking at videos and still blowing the call. It happened the other night against the Celtics for both teams. The ref's set a record the other night, calling 17 free throws for Washington in the first half. Grande repeated that on the radio that night. Then they swallowed the whistle until the fourth quarter when they dragged out the game by going to the video machine and still blowing the call.

Three seconds, travelling (which all the star players who handle the ball do everytime they drive) stepping out of bounds,these calls are pulled out when they feel loke it

https://sports.yahoo.com/are-the-utah-jazz-getting-a-fair-shake-from-the-referees-170021591.html



Are the Utah Jazz getting a fair shake from the referees?



Seerat Sohi
Fri, March 5, 2021, 9:00 AM·1 min read



Utah Jazz-related schadenfreude has spread at an exponential rate this week. On Wednesday, the Jazz fell to the Philadelphia 76ers, and after essentially getting trolled by Joel Embiid, both Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert took to the podium to plead their case for a fair shake from the referees. Mitchell ($25,000) and Gobert ($20,000) were both fined by the league for public criticism of the officiating.

Twenty-four hours later, Mitchell and Gobert were the last players picked for LeBron James’ and Kevin Durant’s respective All-Star teams. James cut to the equally deep-seated and irrational core of Jazz disrespect on TNT after, saying, "There is no slander to the Utah Jazz. You guys got to understand, just like in video games growing up, we never played with Utah. Even as great as Karl Malone and John Stockton was, we never picked those guys in video games.”

In a way, James proved the Jazz right. They are disrespected for reasons out of their control. Hell, I even made the highly regrettable prediction that they would miss the playoffs (I know).

The Jazz have a point, but does it matter that they’re right? If they want to win a championship, they’re likely just going to have to push against their lot in life.

I broke down a few key plays in the final stretch of Wednesday’s game, reinforcing the most enduring cliche in sports: You can only control what you can control.


Bob


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The call against the Jazz where their player saved it but replay said it had gone out of bounds? That"s because the ball had touched the ref who was partly out of bounds making the ball out of bounds. A fair call.

It's like Michael said when asked why the Bulls and Michael got all the calls. "So?!"

You're right, BobH, the Jazz have to get over the Chicago Rules to beat out the Lakers. Good luck. We know how this came out the last time...

db

cowens/oldschool wrote:It’s official NBA has a refereeing problem

Cow,

And in other breaking news, water is wet.


Bob


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NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, NCAA, Little League...etc etc..

They all play a game. Games were never meant to be perfect. That’s why they are called games.

Officials are called officials for a reason.

Replay is the worst thing to happen to sports.

It will never be perfect no matter how hard imperfect humans try to perfect something that was never meant to be in the first place!

Leave the games alone. Everything will even out in the end.

That is all..

Words of wisdom Ktron. Let it be.

Before video replay, the assumption was that blown calls occurred randomly, so that over the course of a game the average out and no one team benefits. That ass6msy not have been perfect, but I kind of hate replay review. It slows the game much, and I'm not sure it is really affecting outcomes

worcester wrote:The call against the Jazz where their player saved it but replay said it had gone out of bounds? That"s because the ball had touched the ref who was partly out of bounds making the ball out of bounds. A fair call.

So why was the ball awarded to Philly? Since the ref got in the way of a saved ball, the right call would have been a jump ball....

Good call, Cow. You are right.

The refereeing has been shit for years, players get waived, there has to be a system you can’t keep letting these refs make bad call after bad call....they should get fined and fired too!!!

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No Embiid, No Simmons tonight. Guess it's 11 guys per side now pic.twitter.com/Dq0RV1ozQZ





Bob
MY NOTE:  So, that would be 10 days starting from when?


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Big news, but they will probably only miss 2 games at most.

Was just looking at the Jaylen highlight video vs Lakers this year, there’s 3 times he got knocked down on the floor on contact on drives that he finished....how the f..k is there no +1...????

These refs suck so bad, they should be fired, the incompetent ones can’t keep on working, this game is turning into bullshit, Durant, Bird, Havlicek all would have gotten those calls and deservedly so. The last one Gasol clearly tries to foul him with contact to stop him from scoring, but he still scores anyway.....and no f..king call as Jaylen goes flying to the floor!!! pathetic how this shit keeps on going and going

Meyers Leonard is taking an "indefinite leave of absence" from the Miami Heat for being recorded as making an anti-Semitic slur while playing "Call of Duty".  He has apologized and claims he didn't know what the word meant.  Bullshit.  It is not a commonly used pejorative, it is not just a general stereotype.  It is a very specific word that has been applied to Jews and only Jews.

I'm Jewish.  I've been called many names in my life, as I am sure many people have on this board.  I've learned to just let those names roll off my back and move on, understanding that it's about the jerk who is calling me those names and not about me.  There is, however, one word that is almost guaranteed to trigger a Jew into a response, and that's one of the words Leonard used.  The last time someone called me that they got hurt, it has that kind of an effect.  I'm not going to tell you what the word is because that word needs to die, but if 7'1", 260# professional athlete Meyers Leonard used that word around me today, at my age, that would be the last thing he'd remember for a while or it would be the last thing I would remember for a while because that would be a battle worth fighting.

And of all the places to use it, in southern Florida, with the large Jewish population?  How stupid can one person be?  Stupid enough to end their career, that's how stupid.  He's a 29 year old marginal player at best, making $9.4M this year with a $10M club option next year.  My no-brainer prediction du jour is that the club will not exercise that option.

Have a nice trip to Palookaville, chump.


Bob


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Leonard did the equivalent of going to an NAACP rally and yelling the n word at people. In Miami of all places! Dastardly duh. And who is the owner of the Heat, Mickey Arison? Leonard, it's time for you to look for another job in another league on another planet. One that Bob can't get to on his circumnavigating walks. BTW, my mother told me that the epithet hurled against our Greek American people in the 20's and 30's was greaseball. Fortunately it was too oily to stick.

Regarding epithets, in 1963 I went to a Massachusetts prep school, Williston Academy, and we had Italian and Polish groundskeepers working outside. Snobby and cowardly students would yell names at them out their 3rd floor windows, names like dumb Polack or Wop. Btw, my own nickname at school was Greek Beak, shortened to Beak. I never gave anyone the satisfaction of letting anyone see that it bothered me. Anyways, our Headmaster got wind of this calumny and announced that there would be no more calling out of epithets and invectives from the dorms against the groundskeepers. From then on the name calling insults stopped, except that the boys would yell out these two words to the puzzlement of those working outside: "Epithet" and "Invective."

worcester wrote:Leonard did the equivalent of going to an NAACP rally and yelling the n word at people. In Miami of all places! Dastardly duh. And who is the owner of the Heat, Mickey Arison? Leonard, it's time for you to look for another job in another league on another planet. One that Bob can't get to on his circumnavigating walks. BTW, my mother told me that the epithet hurled against our Greek American people in the 20's and 30's was greaseball. Fortunately it was too oily to stick.

Regarding epithets, in 1963 I went to a Massachusetts prep school, Williston Academy, and we had Italian and Polish groundskeepers working outside. Snobby and cowardly students would yell names at them out their 3rd floor windows, names like dumb Polack or Wop. Btw, my own nickname at school was Greek Beak, shortened to Beak. I never gave anyone the satisfaction of letting anyone see that it bothered me. Anyways, our Headmaster got wind of this calumny and announced that there would be no more calling out of epithets and invectives from the dorms against the groundskeepers. From then on the name calling insults stopped, except that the boys would yell out these two words to the puzzlement of those working outside: "Epithet" and "Invective."

worcester,

Greeks, because of their plethora of islands, are people of the sea and as everybody knows oil and water don't mix.  If someone yelled "Epithet!" at me I'd give them an epidural.  That's really givin' them the needle.


Bob


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