Schroder or Pritchard?

by **bobheckler** Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:49 pm

It seems to me that it's either/or. They both play the same position. They have similar skills. Pritchard's a better 3pt shooter, but they're both scorers first.

If we keep Schroder somehow, and the scuttlebutt is that Brad likes him a lot, then Pritchard becomes supernumerary. Schroder has been getting the minutes, Pritchard barely makes it into the game in blowouts now. Pritchard cannot develop without some minutes. If Pritchard is unnecessary depth, and doesn't develop because he's not getting minutes, then why keep him? Why not trade him for a player that fills a need we have?

Assuming Schroder can be had for a reasonable amount, and he has said that $ is not as important to him as being where he's comfortable and happy (we'll see if he sticks to that!), then who should we keep? Veteran Dennis Schroder or #26 pick, and 2nd year player, Payton Pritchard?

No multiple choices, vote cancelling (and revoting) allowed.

Bob

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by **gyso** Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:15 pm

Schroder is 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% gone after this season. Because of that, he may not last the season in green. It all depends upon who is available in a trade at the deadline whether or not he finishes out the season here.

Pritchard is a low cost alternative with a longer contract. He also doesn't add much to a trade, contract-wise.

If things don't start changing soon with the W-L column, the Celtics are going to look at this in a long term way.

Pritchard stays, Dennis is gone.

by **hawksnestbeach** Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:50 pm

Count me in the .00000000000000000000001 percent, keep Schröder. Hawk

by **dboss** Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:04 pm

gyso wrote:Schroder is 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% gone after this season. Because of that, he may not last the season in green. It all depends upon who is available in a trade at the deadline whether or not he finishes out the season here.

Pritchard is a low cost alternative with a longer contract. He also doesn't add much to a trade, contract-wise.

If things don't start changing soon with the W-L column, the Celtics are going to look at this in a long term way.

Pritchard stays, Dennis is gone.

+1 clearly

by **Ktron** Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:36 pm

gyso wrote:Schroder is 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% gone after this season. Because of that, he may not last the season in green. It all depends upon who is available in a trade at the deadline whether or not he finishes out the season here.

Pritchard is a low cost alternative with a longer contract. He also doesn't add much to a trade, contract-wise.

If things don't start changing soon with the W-L column, the Celtics are going to look at this in a long term way.

Pritchard stays, Dennis is gone.

And the team gets worse. Pritchard ain’t about that life yet and may never be. Cant keep Dennis? Hit the market.

by **bobheckler** Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:47 pm

While I appreciate people viewing this poll from their own perspective the question I asked is not being answered.

IF Schroder can be resigned for a modest cost, who would you keep? Almost every answer so far has been "Schroder's not staying", and therefore A, B, C. Suppose I were to say Brad signs Schroder to a multi-year extension before the trade deadline? That assumption, then, becomes completely moot.

Bob

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by **NYCelt** Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:11 pm

OK Bob, I think I get your question.

Schroder.

IMO Pritchard is an OK end of bench player, but that’s it.

by **gyso** Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:11 pm

bobheckler wrote:While I appreciate people viewing this poll from their own perspective the question I asked is not being answered.

IF Schroder can be resigned for a modest cost, who would you keep? Almost every answer so far has been "Schroder's not staying", and therefore A, B, C. Suppose I were to say Brad signs Schroder to a multi-year extension before the trade deadline? That assumption, then, becomes completely moot.

Bob

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Impossible ask. He cannot be extended. He will not give up tens of millions. He won't accept multiple seasons of 120% raises. There's no magic wand (aka salary cap exception) that will help you out.

My previous answer stands.

Sorry. The situation sucks. There are no long term winners here.

P.S.: Talent alone means the answer is Dennis. Everyone knows that.

P.P.S: I'm trying my best to soften the blow, but it is what it is. bounce

by **gyso** Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:46 pm

Only four year contracts can be renegotiated, after three years. Teams over the cap cannot renegotiate contracts. Q59.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59

by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:12 pm

Can his contract expire and he is declared a FA and then be resigned to a larger contract by us after being a FA for a period of time?

by **jrleftfoot** Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:57 am

What gyso said (twice). Schroder is a stop-gap for this team, period. He's fun to watch, but doesn't move the needle much , even if he stays.What this team needs is a floor stretcher or two. The three point shooting has been abysmal. It'll improve some, but remain below average with this group, imo. You know who would look good out there ? Evan Fournier. My answer is Pritchard because it's the only possible answer. He's obviously lacking confidence right now. Here's hoping he gets it back.

by **atcross** Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:17 am

The premise seems unlikely but if there were some way to keep Schroder I would still want PP on the bench. I think his struggles this year are related to trying to be more of a true point guard and the difficulty of that when you're playing limited minutes with different players. But who else do we have like him after Schroder down the bench until we bring in one of the overseas kids?

by **RosalieTCeltics** Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:40 am

Since the question seems to be on talent alone, not contracts, and if/or we can keep Schroeder, I will go with Schroeder. I have been disappointed in the play of Pritchard this year. I do not know if it is the rookie wall, hitting a year later, or injury, or lack of playing time, but when he is on th floor his decision making has been disappointing. If he were to pick up his play, since we are only 20 games into the season, maybe my opinion would change.

I think the face that it is obvious that we will not be able to keep Schroeder short of some kind of a miracle, this is what is throwing opinions off. Maybe I should have gone with other, because there is a possibility that h will be traded by the deadline if Brad can find a suitable replacement. I wonder about that

by **dboss** Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:26 pm

Schroder is the better point guard. I do not think there is any dispute about that. His addition to this roster has really limited PP from getting quality playing time.

What was it again that we like about PP?

His shooting.

He came in as a guy who could knock down shots from the outside. Now he gets spot minutes and no screens. His confidence level appears to be low. This will be a lost year for him on this team. We are such a terrific shooting team why would we want to play him.

The Celtics should send him up to Maine so that he can at least gets some reps.

The Celtics should look to move Schroeder while they can still get something in return. Dennis is very unlikely to drop a second bag of money.

by **atcross** Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:41 pm

dboss wrote:

The Celtics should look to move Schroeder while they can still get something in return. Dennis is very unlikely to drop a second bag of money.

If we trade him would the team he went to have the same percentage raise cap we do for him? If they do then the only possible motivation for a team to take him would be to make them a stronger contender (i.e., go for the finals) this year. And even if they could avoid the cap on his raise we're not likely to get a similar PG in exchange. We would be back to just Payton and Marcus. Even if we were okay with that it hardly leaves us any cushion for injuries. Where's Tremont these days? Or maybe trade him to LA for Rondo. We could do a lot worse for a 3rd string PG and mentor. Then LA can pay Schroder through the nose next year. Smile

by **atcross** Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:46 pm

Pritchard has been in a bit of a shooting slump but I think we need to remember the mask. Did he make any 3s while wearing it? I think it would bother the shoot out of me.

by **prakash** Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:54 pm

Schroder is on a 1-year reasonable deal. Why over think this? Play the year out. He fell into our lap and we will be back to where we would have been if he did not come to us.

Reminds me of James Posey. We could only have him for a year and boy, was I glad that we had him. Of-course, that team was a dominant team so it made more sense.

If we are thinking of a trade, we need to think of improving the current roster. Not sure if 21 games have provided enough visibility into the needs.

by **Ktron** Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:22 pm

bobheckler wrote:While I appreciate people viewing this poll from their own perspective the question I asked is not being answered.

IF Schroder can be resigned for a modest cost, who would you keep? Almost every answer so far has been "Schroder's not staying", and therefore A, B, C. Suppose I were to say Brad signs Schroder to a multi-year extension before the trade deadline? That assumption, then, becomes completely moot.

Bob
Dennis “no doubt” Schroder…

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by **Ktron** Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:31 pm

prakash wrote:Schroder is on a 1-year reasonable deal. Why over think this? Play the year out. He fell into our lap and we will be back to where we would have been if he did not come to us.

Reminds me of James Posey. We could only have him for a year and boy, was I glad that we had him. Of-course, that team was a dominant team so it made more sense.

If we are thinking of a trade, we need to think of improving the current roster. Not sure if 21 games have provided enough visibility into the needs.

Danny Ray could have and should have kept Posey around but chose not to give him the $ and yrs he wanted. I feel the same way. He was a major contributor to Banner 17 and would’ve been key for us getting 18. Thanks Danny.

by **atcross** Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:24 pm

prakash wrote:Schroder is on a 1-year reasonable deal. Why over think this? Play the year out. He fell into our lap and we will be back to where we would have been if he did not come to us.

Reminds me of James Posey. We could only have him for a year and boy, was I glad that we had him. Of-course, that team was a dominant team so it made more sense.

If we are thinking of a trade, we need to think of improving the current roster. Not sure if 21 games have provided enough visibility into the needs.

To what purpose? Win four or five more games? Unless there is a very big turnaround we will not be going deep in the playoffs. Then we start next year with another new starting PG (our fifth in seven years) and a still inexperienced backup in PP. Or we start the still inexperienced PP and bring in another rookie. Schroder is good and would be fine for multiple years but if he's one and done it's unlikely to get us a banner and does nothing for the team going forward. It might just be me but I don't see a starting PG as just plug and play. Schroder fell into our laps for a reason.

by **Shamrock1000** Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:54 am

Bob's question assumed Schroder could be re-signed somehow. Bob is a sharp guy, so I'm pretty sure he understands the likelihood of being able to sign Schroder, so I will answer the question he asked - if it were possible to keep Schroder for a reasonable amount, I'd keep Schroder. We know Schroder can be a 6th man of the year type of player - he has definitively shown that for multiple years. Maybe he's not an allstar, but 6th man is something, not all players can do it. Payton has shown some flashes as a shooter, but the sample size is too small to know if he is better than his draft position. History tells us that the chances of someone drafted at his position turning into a valuable player are slim (though not none). So, to answer the literal question asked, it's got to be Schroder.

by **dboss** Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:54 am

atcross wrote:
dboss wrote:

The Celtics should look to move Schroeder while they can still get something in return. Dennis is very unlikely to drop a second bag of money.

If we trade him would the team he went to have the same percentage raise cap we do for him? If they do then the only possible motivation for a team to take him would be to make them a stronger contender (i.e., go for the finals) this year. And even if they could avoid the cap on his raise we're not likely to get a similar PG in exchange. We would be back to just Payton and Marcus. Even if we were okay with that it hardly leaves us any cushion for injuries. Where's Tremont these days? Or maybe trade him to LA for Rondo. We could do a lot worse for a 3rd string PG and mentor. Then LA can pay Schroder through the nose next year.

Atcross

The Celtics could potentially offer DS the full non tax payer MLE and I believe they could add a 2nd or 3rd year with step increases. I do believe it would hard CAP us for that year. Also I do not think Dennis would accept a deal like that. His next contract is likely to be his last in terms of making a lot of money. So there is no way he will be on this team next year.

The Celtics simply do not look like a championship level team. So my advice would be to move him now and maybe get a future first rounder out of the deal.

If we trade him to another team it should not matter to us if they can or cannot resign him. Maybe a contender out there losses their starting PG. Maybe that team is below the Tax line or maybe they have some CAP space to resign him as a free agent void of any exception.

by **cowens/oldschool** Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:39 pm

Maybe if we trade him now, we can get a pick and resign him after clearing some space.

by **hawksnestbeach** Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:45 pm

He seems to like it here, he’s working for comparative peanuts. If RW and the Js are healthy in April and the rest slowly round into form, I think this team will be dangerous - especially with speedy Schröder breaking down defenses.

by **dboss** Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:51 am

If Schroeder keeps dropping 31 like he did last night his trade value should increase. All the more reason to move him instead of losing him.

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