Re: Draft Day Thread

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[cowens/oldschool]

For where we drafted, really like this pick, this kid is athletic, can defend, could be a steal.

[NYCelt]

I agree; good pickup considering the draft position.

I think there is some possibility he might stick or get a 2-way deal, and eventually become a good player to fill a 10 - 15 spot.

I like his odds of playing in the G-League or NBA one day much better than the last couple of draft and stash Euro league players.

[cowens/oldschool]

I agree; good pickup considering the draft position.

I think there is some possibility he might stick or get a 2-way deal, and eventually become a good player to fill a 10 - 15 spot.

I like his odds of playing in the G-League or NBA one day much better than the last couple of draft and stash Euro league players.

Exactly, he has way more physicality than Yam.

[NYCelt]

The Spurs also had one big draft night, including doing very well with the pick they got from us.

[bobheckler]

The reason why this kid fell to #53 is because he can't shoot and he's inconsistent. There are nights when he looks great, those are the games that make it into highlight films like this, and there are nights when his judgement is badly flawed.

6'3", 195#, 6'6 1/2" wingspan.

He shot 30% from 3. That's from college 3. If you watch this highlight film you only see him take one outside shot. One.

4.3 apg, 2.9TOpg. 1.48:1.


What's weird is that the starting PG on Alabama was Jaden Shackelford, he averaged 34mpg vs Davison's 26mpg, and Shackelford wasn't drafted at all. He signed an Exhibit 10 contract with OKC, which is convertible into a two-way contract. So why did the kid who was the back up PG get drafted, albeit at #53, and the starting PG didn't?


Either way I don't see this kid making the roster, certainly not this year. 30% from college 3? Nope.


Yam Madar is 2 years older. He's the same height and is now listed at 190# (added 10#?). He shot 44% from 3 last season. His team, Partizan NIS, averaged 34% from 3 as a team.

6'3", 190#, 6'5" wingspan.

I doubt he makes the team either, but he's playing against professional talent and he's older. It'll be fun to watch them compete, especially if Pritchard isn't there and there's more minutes at point for both, but this kid is years away. Years.


Bob


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[cowens/oldschool]

Bob Jaylen was only a 29% shooter from 3 in college, so you never know, he could get it down depending on a lot of factors. The draft is a crapshoot as we know.

[bobheckler]

Bob Jaylen was only a 29% shooter from 3 in college, so you never know, he could get it down depending on a lot of factors. The draft is a crapshoot as we know.

Cow,

You're right, the draft is a crap shoot.  A 2nd round pick with no outside game, that is only 5 away from the very last pick, is a crap shoot without the shoot leaving just the crap.


Bob



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[gyso]

Bob Jaylen was only a 29% shooter from 3 in college, so you never know, he could get it down depending on a lot of factors. The draft is a crapshoot as we know.

I remember that early on in Jaylen Brown's NBA career, he'd hit a three point shot and someone would post in the Game On! thread, "Downtown Jaylen Brown!!". That comment was not received all that well. He was (at the time) more of a "No, No, No, YES!" kind of shooter because good results weren't always guaranteed.

Now, no one cringes when his shot goes up. At the end of the playoffs, I wanted him to shoot instead of Tatum, because Tatum's shot was so off.

Yes, you can improve shooting over time.

[dboss]

Bob

I am going to bet that he does make our 17 man roster.  Here is why.

1/3 of our roster are fillers.  I think the Celtics can find some room for him.

This is the very first draft pick by Brad.  He is well aware that the kid has a long way to go but at the same time recognized that he can get into the paint and has elite level athleticism. He is fast end to end and looks to be a good defender.

His 3 pt percentage is very low however he will be working with a professional shooting coach.  His overall FG % was around 46% that tells me he is more of a scorer than a shooter.  I think with proper guidance he may be able to improve on his asst/TO ratio. Notwithstanding, he may just need reps, reps and more reps.  

Brad mentioned that moving up was too costly but that does not mean he will not trade a player.  That could also open up a spot for him if we see a 2/1 deal.

He said they are going to get him ready for Summer.
League.  

The prospect for drafting in round 2 pick #53 and finding a quality NBA player is really difficult to do but let's see what happens.

And how bout that full head of hair. I think fans will embrace the kid.

[bobheckler]

Bob

I am going to bet that he does make our 17 man roster.  Here is why.

1/3 of our roster are fillers.  I think the Celtics can find some room for him.

This is the very first draft pick by Brad.  He is well aware that the kid has a long way to go but at the same time recognized that he can get into the paint and has elite level athleticism.  He is fast end to end and looks to be a good defender.  

His 3 pt percentage is very low however he will be working with a professional shooting coach.  His overall FG % was around 46% that tells me he is more of a scorer than a shooter.  I think with proper guidance he may be able to improve on his asst/TO ratio. Notwithstanding, he may just need reps, reps and more reps.  

Brad mentioned that moving up was too costly but that does not mean he will not trade a player.  That could also open up a spot for him if we see a 2/1 deal.

He said they are going to get him ready for Summer.
League.  

The prospect for drafting in round 2 pick #53 and finding a quality NBA player is really difficult to do but let's see what happens.

And how bout that full head of hair.  I think fans will embrace the kid.

Dboss,

Could Davison make the team as a two-way player? I'd say that's likely. As a regular roster player? No.

Brad's first draft pick was 2021 #45 pick Juhann Begarin.

I think the crowd will go wild for Davison's wild hair. Rosalie? Not so much.


Bob


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[dboss]

Bob

I am going to bet that he does make our 17 man roster.  Here is why.

1/3 of our roster are fillers.  I think the Celtics can find some room for him.

This is the very first draft pick by Brad.  He is well aware that the kid has a long way to go but at the same time recognized that he can get into the paint and has elite level athleticism.  He is fast end to end and looks to be a good defender.  

His 3 pt percentage is very low however he will be working with a professional shooting coach.  His overall FG % was around 46% that tells me he is more of a scorer than a shooter.  I think with proper guidance he may be able to improve on his asst/TO ratio. Notwithstanding, he may just need reps, reps and more reps.

Brad mentioned that moving up was too costly but that does not mean he will not trade a player.  That could also open up a spot for him if we see a 2/1 deal.

He said they are going to get him ready for Summer.
League.  

The prospect for drafting in round 2 pick #53 and finding a quality NBA player is really difficult to do but let's see what happens.

And how bout that full head of hair.  I think fans will embrace the kid.

Dboss,

Could Davison make the team as a two-way player?  I'd say that's likely.  As a regular roster player?  No.

Brad's first draft pick was 2021 #45 pick Juhann Begarin.

I think the crowd will go wild for Davison's wild hair.  Rosalie?  Not so much.


Bob


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Bob I forgot about the stashes. Yes a 2-way deal seems quite possible.

[NYCelt]

He did a good job with Bama, and helped them to a fairly productive season. Being part of a growing basketball program, in a school no longer known solely for football, probably helped his visibility with NBA scouting.

Flawed though his game may be, I don't doubt he outplays any guard currently on the bench save for White and Pritchard. The bench is that thin. I'm guessing it might be a tough task for him to stick because I expect the team will go out and make a big-time effort to improve bench depth. That could lead to a 2-way deal and G-League time. I'm fairly sure he could hang OK in the G-League. If the bench quality doesn't get a boost from what we ended the season with, however, this kid may get one of the final chairs.

I believe he won't have to worry about competition from either of our Euro stashed players. IMO, from what little I've seen, neither of those two ever make it to an NBA roster.

I'll go with dboss' observation; kid may compete with Smart for best hair if he does stick.

[bobheckler]

https://sportsopoly.bulletin.com/draft-dodgers-ny-knicks-had-a-strange-night/



Draft-dodgers: NY Knicks had a strange night



Team hoards future picks despite need to address immediate voids


Ron Mott
Jun 24



Photo: NBA Commissioner Adam Silver announces a pick by the New York Knicks during the 2022 NBA Draft on June 23, 2022, by Arturo Holmes/Getty Images


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We all know by now that drafting athletes is far more art than science. No matter how much scouting and study are devoted to finding players who will fit a particular system best, it's never a guarantee of future performance.

In other words, it's usually a roll of the dice.

What the New York Knicks did Thursday night in the NBA draft is much riskier (some fans called it crazy). Coming off a season in which they tumbled a few rungs down the ladder after winning a playoff game the year before -- yes, they get really excited about feats like that -- the Knicks decided to take some wild chances to improve their roster.

With the 11th pick the Knicks were in position to pick up a quality young player who could help address their glaring need at the point. Instead, they drafted a big man for Oklahoma City, sending French forward/center Ousmane Dieng to the Thunder for a trio of protected first-round picks in 2023. Then, they traded for Jalen Duren, a nice 6-11 talent out of Memphis, who wasn't even granted time for a cup of coffee, before they shipped him off to Detroit, along with veteran guard Kemba Walker.

By night's end, the Knicks had stockpiled 11 first- and 11 second-round draft picks over the next seven years. Trade capital, in short.

In real time, though, it looked like New York was doubling down on 16, hoping to flip a five and hit blackjack in free agency, reportedly eyeing Jalen Brunson, who finally had a breakout season with Dallas, dramatically raising his profile in the Mavericks' surprisingly deep postseason run this spring. The Knicks hired Brunson's dad, Rick, as an assistant coach recently. The team's president is Brunson's former agent. They have evacuated the lab for The Brunson Burner.

Just as easily, however, the Knicks might flip and bust -- say, if Brunson re-signs with Dallas for more dough than New York can scrape together, or heads elsewhere -- which would reduce all the draft-night dealmaking into a giant wasted opportunity. That would burn.


Across the East River, Kyrie Irving's nonstop drama is only ratcheting up in Brooklyn, with a deadline next week for him to opt-in/out of a $36.9 million player option with the Nets. The phenomenally gifted ball-handler and shooter is said to have included the Knicks in his potential wish-list of teams he desires if dispatched in a sign-and-trade.

New York would have to clear a lot more than Walker's $9 million to free up the necessary cap space to get Irving to Madison Square Garden, and that seems highly unlikely.

It's entirely possible the Knicks are back on square one soon, and that would be so New York.

In the run-up to the draft, the Orlando Magic were content to allow the narrative to form that they had all but settled on Auburn's Jabari Smith Jr. as the No. 1 overall pick.

He's a fine player but in no way was he the top talent in this crop.

That designation belongs to Duke star Paolo Banchero, a powerful finisher who led the Blue Devils to the Final Four this year. He's got the size and skillset to make an immediate impact, and Orlando was right to open the show by throwing a curve ball and taking the best available player.




Gonzaga seven-footer Chet Holmgren, a potentially great giant who runs the floor well, can handle the rock and is a fantastic shot-blocker, went No. 2 to Oklahoma City. Smith, who appeared quite unhappy about "losing" No. 1 status, was taken third, by Houston (I'd be sour-faced too).

Then the Sacramento Kings took center stage and reminded everyone why they're the Sacramento Kings.

Rather than grabbing Purdue's Jaden Ivey, who should be a solid contender for NBA Rookie of the Year honors next season, the Kings picked Keegan Murray, out of Iowa. Ivey let it be known he wasn't fond of the idea of beginning his career with such a perennial losing franchise, and maybe the Kings just weren't interested in the headache. Still, they could have drafted the obviously superior guard and used him as bait to upgrade their backcourt with a proven veteran. No disrespect to Murray but he'll disappear in that dark dungeon of a cellar.

All in all, it was an entertaining draft. Lots of hugs and tears (I always am touched by the emotion on display). Some snazzy attire too. Detroit probably won the night. They're a ways off from hanging with the beasts in the East but hopes abound they got it right.


Bob
MY NOTE:  What a look by Paolo Banchero!  I have never seen a jacket like that before.  Not sure I ever want to again, but it was a first.

The best thing is watching die-hard Knick fan Stephen A. Smith lose it on draft night and be consoled by other die-hard Knick fan Spike Lee.

Here's Spike and Smith getting down on their knees and praying for Divine intervention.  And then losing it as the Knicks trade their #11 pick to OKC etal is hysterical.  We could all use a laugh or two right now and these videos will help.




Here's Smith losing it on First Take:







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[cowens/oldschool]

Bob Jaylen was only a 29% shooter from 3 in college, so you never know, he could get it down depending on a lot of factors. The draft is a crapshoot as we know.

I remember that early on in Jaylen Brown's NBA career, he'd hit a three point shot and someone would post in the Game On! thread, "Downtown Jaylen Brown!!".  That comment was not received all that well.  He was (at the time) more of a "No, No, No, YES!" kind of shooter because good results weren't always guaranteed.

Now, no one cringes when his shot goes up.  At the end of the playoffs, I wanted him to shoot instead of Tatum, because Tatum's shot was so off.

Yes, you can improve shooting over time.

What I noticed even as a rookie he had good form on the shot, was a pleasant surprise and for a guy many pegged as his ceiling being Andre Igoudala, he has at least surpassed that.

[bobheckler]

Bob
MY NOTE:  This analysis was done in January in anticipation of him being drafted.  Mike Schmitz has been doing these pre-draft videos for a long time.  He asked Davison who he watches in the NBA and JD said he watches Westbrook and Morant.  In this video Schmitz shows JD going from his foul line to him dunking on the other end in 3.5 seconds.  That's like inbounding the ball after a fgm, receiving it at your own foul line and then running a one-man fast break that scores with 20.5 seconds left on the shot clock. Ok, that's nuts. That highlight is at about the 4:20 mark.

12 days until Summer League.


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[worcester]

JD may become a huge surprise in 2 years. Depends on his work ethic. If Kobe or MJ like he could turn into a good NBA player.

[RosalieTCeltics]

There had to be something Danny saw in Jaylen to pick him so high. Also, remember the first few years of Marcus Smarts tenure here, his offense was horrible. I am hoping that the shooting coaches work with White and this kid. Tutoring under great shooters can make a big difference in how we view both these guys.

I did read one article where this pick and Theis could be packaged for a better player. I am wondering who will want to take on Theis's contract, Houston was very generous when they signed him to his new contract. I wonder what Brad is thinking right about now

[worcester]

I hope Brad is not thinking "Let's ship out Jaylen snd Daniel for KD."

[RosalieTCeltics]

I certainly hope not. Seems like Jaylen's feelings are getting a little ruffled by the reaction of some fans regarding KD. Everytime a player of any quality gets mentioned, Jaylen is the first player people are ready to part with. I personally am sick of this talk.

I know a player of Kevin Durant's stature is a generational player. However, have we seen his best years? Are we ready to part with a 25 year old player who has improved every single season for a 34 year old player ?? I know, he is a great scorer, but, really, Jaylen????? Scal has been on the television spouting his pearly wisdom and his hero worship of KD. He would make the trade NOW. Sure, and if KD breaks down again, what are we left with. Let the Nets go somewhere else to get rid of this mess they are in, I ride with Jaylen and Jason. Just my opinion/

[worcester]

Totally agree Rosalie. I bet JB won't go out of his way to do interviews with Scal, the Scab.

[Ktron]

Worse. Jaylen is “liking” these tweets that mention him being traded. Thats not good.
Scal doesn't know what he’s talking about. I hope he receives a nice greeting from Jaylen next time they’re both in the same room.

If the Celts don't plan to trade him, I wish they would just come out and stay emphatically, “Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum will not be considered in any trade! We are building our team around them and we have no plans to do otherwise.”

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