Celtics To Be Part of Heat Banner Night

A cruel joke.

I will not watch.. Call me when the game starts. A proud team like the Celtics should not have be subjected to this. The schedule makers will do anything to get a higher rating.

Dboss

dboss wrote:A cruel joke.

I will not watch.. Call me when the game starts. A proud team like the Celtics should not have be subjected to this. The schedule makers will do anything to get a higher rating.

Dboss

The Heat get their rings, the Celtics get the W. What could be more fun?

Would love a win.

Dboss

Hi,
A win in Mia that night would be great. But I'd rather Celtics dispatch Heat in 2013 playoffs (as they would've in 2012 if not for zebras).

AK

I went to my town community pool, my son Johnny is in the swim team, I ran into another Dad I met through my son, Scott Gannon, our sons were on the 5th grade basketball traveling team, both of them are point guards.

So I hadn't seen Scott in a couple months, we started talking hoops.....he told me he didn't watch one minute of the Heats final game, nada, not one minute, not one second. He is an avid hoops fan, was so disgusted and repulsed by the refs, he just couldn't take it. I listened to him vent, game 2 Lebron fouled Durant twice on last shot, game 3 phantom foul on KD for 4th foul for just standing near D Wade with an 11 point lead.....he said its so outta control, its so blatently fixed hes not sure if hes going to even watch anymore.

That writer Windhurst, I think his name is, even tweeted he felt guilty rooting for Heat after game 2 with that call NON CALL on Rondo. All my friends/acquantenances that I talk hoops with all feel pretty much the same way, how Heat got all the BIG calls and all the help in the world from refs. It really STINKS.

How can a ref not be reprimanded for blowing such key calls like the non call on Rondo and Lebron going out of his way to foul on KD? thats what I've been hearing in the real world.

I love the Celtics and detest the Heat with the best of them. But the fact is that the Heat also had calls erroneously go against them.

The eventual championship team found ways to overcome poor calls. The Celtics and Thunder did not—at least not enough. In the Celtics' case, they were incredibly beaten up, and they very understandably ran out of gas. I'm not sure what the problem was with the Thunder, nor do I really care.

Hopefully, the retooling Celtics will be able to match the stamina of all opponents and will feature an offense that will more consistently perform under pressure to go along with the defense of a true contender.

Go Celtics!

Sam

Sam you must be isloated, did you hear the fans booing Stern constantly during the draft? you might not care, but that sentiment is out there, I have no reason to lie.

Cow,

Funny, I don't feel isolated. I actually feel as though I know something about pro basketball. And I'd never even remotely imply that you're a liar. BUT I have the same right as anyone else to express my opinion. And my opinion happens to mirror that of one of the great referee baiters, Red Auerbach, whose philosophy included the theory that you should never let the game get close enough to allow an officiating mis-call make a difference.

I just happen to feel that there's far too much fan emphasis on officiating. I can't help it if a bunch of people at the draft booed. I swear some of them weren't booing; they were yelling "Baaaaah" because they were a bunch of sheep. I can't help it if they were individually and/or collectively titillated by conspiracy theories. Their numbers don't make them right. As Abe Lincoln said when he voted against his entire cabinet on an issue, "That's one 'aye" and 12 'nays.' The 'ayes' have it." In this case, I believe I'm right and the boo-birds were ill-advised. It's not so much the numbers but the logic that really matters.

And, speaking of logic, what you may think about recognizing is that those who were booing were fans of many different teams. Read the chat board of any team. Fans of virtually every team feel their respective teams receive the short end of the refereeing. That collective sentiment is not mathematically realistic.

I'd wager that I could sit you down (over some drinks, I would hope), view video of the playoffs and take note of every call that looked bad; and the bad calls would come out relatively even on a team-by-team basis.

Sam

David Stern has gotten booed at every draft I've watched and everytime he's introduced at a game he's attending, regardless of the arena. It is possible that each and every audience, wherever it may be, is stocked with sheep, but it does stretch the bounds of credulity a bit. There are usually a few wolves lying low in there too.

What that does suggest, though, is that the problem that these sheep have with Stern is not about last year's referreeing but rather they don't like where this particular shepherd has been leading the herd.

Can't say I blame them. If I was there I'd join in with gusto.

Baaaa!!

bob

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REPORT: CELTICS TO OPEN AGAINST HEAT, ALLEN
WEEI - By: Ben Rohrbach

The 2012-13 NBA season will open with an Eastern Conference finals rematch between the Celtics and Heat at Miami's AmericanAirlines Arena on October 30, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

Not only will the C's be present for the ring ceremony for LeBron James & Co., but there will surely be more than a few mentions of Ray Allen's decision to turn down a reported two-year, $12 million offer from the Celtics to play in Miami on a two-year, $6 million contract with a player option in Year 2.

The complete NBA schedule is slated to be released later this week.

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The thing about "you should never let it be close enough for it to matter" is of course dependent on you being able to totally crush your opposition and also that all games can get close enough with enough interference

With saying that I dont mean that they were actually rigged but it is sort of a Yogism.

If you put the game away of course one or two calls might not be an issue but there would be no problems in getting any team to win over any other if any degree of manipulation was allowed.

The Commissioners from all 4 major pro sports get booed regularly from fans.
Stern in particular seems to enjoy it which leads to more booing.
The fans at the draft last month were mostly from NJ as the draft was in Newark.

Those Knicks/Nets fans weren't booing because of missed calls in the Celtics/Heat series or the OKC/Heat series. They were booing because that is what they do. They also boo when their team drafts a player that nobody has ever heard of.

The draft is a party atmosphere and fans boo and cheer the whole night.

Riley & the Heat want to have their celebration night used as an exclamation point to stick it to Boston and rub our noses in it. Let's be the party poopers and take that exclamation point and bend it into a question mark instead. Sully giving a submarine (not Subway or Blimpie) to either Wade or James would be an excellent foot note to the evening's festivities!

MD!

It is a little odd that they would schedule Boston at Miami on opening night.
I would agree with dboss that it is a cruel joke by the NBA.
Instead of going out of their way to pour salt on Boston's wound, they very easily could have had Miami face another team, even the Brooklyn Nets.

I wonder if the NBA will schedule NO/Boston on Christmas Day.
The Rivers/Rivers games will definitely be premium games that will be highly promoted by the NBA.

Sam,
In general I agree with your Red Auerbach's philosophy. But, as you know, there always are exceptions. The first 2 games of ECF 2012 were such an exception. Well, game 2 for sure. I am 100% certain that if those 2 games were officiated the same way as the rest of the series Boston Celtics would be in the Finals.
Speaking about Red. Unfortunately I never watched a game with him at the helm, so can't say for sure. But I'd venture to guess that the general philosophy of the NBA in 50's and 60's was much different from the one nowdays, mostly due to huge popularity and commercialization of the enterprise.


MD,
if I may paraphrase your post: it'd be great if their celebration with exclamation was spoiled by our "excremation" with determination.

AK

Swede,

Of course, few teams possess the ability to crush every other team consistently. What I believe Red was really referring to was that no team should let the officiating deter them in any way from maximizing their attempt to run away with the game. It's like someone once told me about karate (Cow would be the expert on this). If you're trying to break a piece of wood with your hand, you don't aim for the wood; you aim through it. The key is not to allow anything to get in the way of your goal.

I happen to believe that the same maxim works for fans. Those who get preoccupied by blaming results on the officiating can often lose sight of appreciating the finer points of the game or overlooking the more salient factors in a team's loss. It's certainly their right. I'm just glad I consistently try to avoid it myself.

Sam

This I do agree with.

Sam glad your not isolated, has anyone else on the board found friends/acquaintences that are hoop junkies that despised the refs lame calls during playoffs? These are mostly Knick fans around my bailiwick and they saw how bad it was.

Maybe its being born a minority and being oversensitive as a kid, but I try not to let anyone pull something over me, I'll stand up for and fight for what I believe in.....if I see a wrong crucial call, I go off, I'm not wired as Mr Mellow. You can say it shouldn't have been close, our fault, but the fact is that non call on Rondo SUCKED and even local media in Miami acknowledged it, that they felt guilty that they got the win after that blatent non call.

Were just wired differently.

Cow, No doubt the non call gave the game to Miami, but I doubt Stern gave an order to hand the game to the Heat, even though I'm a Kennedy assassination conpiracy theorist. Obviously Oassis was behind it. He had the most to gain.

Sam, No doubt Stern is booed wherever he appears around the NBA, and not because NBA fans are anti-Semitic; they're not. I never recall Dolph Schayes getting booed. It's just because they're anti-arrogant (ask Jim Rome's listeners about this). Actually I've been thinking of writing a novel based on David Stern's recent decision to have the Magic play the Hornets in Mexico City come October.

Here's the rough outline. Stern orders the Celts to play the Lakers on the first day of the 2113 NBA season after the Celts beat them for #18. Trouble is, they have to play in Mexico City, and the Celts bus gets hijacked on the way from the airport to their hotel near the stadum.

The narco-terrorist hijackers demand $200 million fro the NBA, and Stern is the one who has to negotiate their release. Imagine how well his personality resonates with El Jefe Ramirez, the leader of the Sinaloa cartel.

Fortunately President Romney, a big Celtics fan, appoints VP Marco Rubio to assist with the deliberations, because Stern is approaching them like he's working on a contract wth the player's union.

Meanwhile the Celts themselves are chafing at the bit for their freedom and decide to take matters into their own hands. How they interact to try to escape makes up the bulk of the tale. I'm going to invite Bob Heckler to co-write it with me. He could make it a blockbuster.

Sounds like a winner, W. And Bob would be the perfect co-author. I'd like to order an autographed copy in advance.

Sam

Cow,

I understand that, like all of us, you get upset at bad calls. I just don't happen to believe in conspiracy theories—at least not the ones I read about the NBA.

If you're characterizing me as "Mr. Mellow," you can forget it. I'm at least as passionate about the Celtics as you or anyone else on this board. I just like to harness the passion and expend it on the aspects of the game on which I believe it pays greatest dividends. A lack of excessive and gratuitous emotionality, which is pretty much in harmony with how players tend to operate after the immediate heat of the moment, has served me well for many years and has led to Celtics contacts and adventures I'll treasure all my life.

I never said or implied that any particular game "shouldn't have been close." If you think that was my intent, you're completely missing my point. I believe it should be the objective of a team to focus so hard on TRYING to keep every game from being close that they don't get unduly sidetracked long-term by occasional bad calls. Of course some games will inevitably be close; it's the mental approach of the team I've been talking about—specifically not allowing bad calls to get them so detached that their effort is diluted. And I believe fans can be well-served by following a similarly focused approach because I feel that doing so enhances the NBA experience rather than wasting excessive time on unproductive tangents.

Sam

The fact that refs are not held to some accountability standard on crucial calls in the last 2 minutes that can decide a game shows how mismanaged the league is. When its that obvious that the refs blow a call in 2 huge game 2's of a last minute game changing play in a Final and ECF and those refs can get away with it and the league has an immediate history of having a ref proven he fixed games......I don't know.

These calls weren't charges where it happens so fast and its open to human interpretation, the fact is Rondo got raked right in the face about to put us up by 2 on a layup with 50 seconds left in OT with our defense ready to be set. Those are all facts, 3 blind refs blow/ignored the call. How could they not see the ball? how come media or someone can't go up to Stern and ask what happened on that play? such a simple obvious play deserves the right call? Why isn't that ref suspended for incompetence? neglect to do his job? fact is our team got robbed.....and Knick fans around my area all said it made them sick.

You could say alot of calls can go both ways, I get it, in all the championship history of the Celtics, I've never seen refs hand us 2 crucial games letting our players mug someone with no call. I've never seen refs gift wrap 2 crucial plays to give us games in a playoff run.

Whatever.

we'll never know.....but are those non calls good or bad for the game? shouldn't refs have to reach a standard of competance that should be held? how do these blind guys get these jobs? and then miss such easy calls, I thought we got 3 so they wouldn't miss/blow the call?

wonder what Jackie Mac would say on this topic? she would have to at least agree refs didn't adequately do their job on those calls, leading many of a feeling of robbery in my opinion.