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Post by 112288 Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:15 am


By Chris Forsberg | ESPNBoston.com

During the slower times during the offseason (and an early playoff exit has made the past few weeks a tough grind for Celtics fans), we’ll occasionally reach into our Celtics Mailbag and pull out a question to field in the blog. Hop HERE to submit a question for an upcoming 'bag:

Steven Adams (24) is an intriguing big man if available at No. 16.
Q: You're on the clock: Should the Celtics take a point guard or center in the draft? -- Clyde (Escondido, Calif.)

A: One thing that president of basketball operations Danny Ainge has always said is that the Celtics try to take the best available player on the board, regardless of position. The thinking there is that talent should always outweigh need and -- while needs might change -- you're more likely to find an long-term talent by drafting on pure ability and potential, rather than reaching to fill a hole on your roster.

That being said, it's pretty clear the Celtics have honed in on those two positions in this year's draft. The need for a backup ball-handler was glaring during Boston's first-round playoff exit last month and this team has always craved pure size (especially since it would help take some wear and tear off Kevin Garnett by allowing him to spend more time at the power forward spot in bigger lineups).

Ultimately, Boston's decision will be dictated by how the draft plays out and how their board takes shape through ongoing draft workouts. If the talent in the middle of the first round ends up being pretty even, I think the Celtics could even consider dropping back a bit, particularly if they can pick up an extra pick (whether it's a second-rounder this year or next). The Celtics did that in 2011 by dropping a couple spots as part of the MarShon Brooks-for-JaJuan Johnson swap (as poorly as that swap worked out for Boston, it does have Brooklyn's 2014 second-round pick because of it).

But for the sake of the argument, let's say the Celtics are on the clock at No. 16 and there's an equal amount of talent on the board, including some of players they've worked out (or been linked to) like Pittsburgh's Steven Adams and Duke's Mason Plumlee for big men, and Germany's Dennis Schroeder and Miami's Shane Larkin for guards. If I'm in Ainge's shoes, I'm going big in this situation. I think Adams is a very intriguing player, even if it takes a little time to hone his game. I don't think it would be the worst thing to have a little young big-man competition -- even if it relocates to Maine of the D-League at times -- to encourage both Adams and Fab Melo to progress their games. Ideally, Adams might even show that he's NBA-ready immediately, as Boston has found success throwing young big men into the fire so long as they can hold their own defensively (think Semih Erden and Greg Stiemsma, who both made tremendous early strides).

There's no denying that ball-handling is an issue, but one that is slightly diminished by the return of a healthy Rondo. You can't get a rotation big man at a reasonable rate in free agency in the NBA, but you can probably find an experienced floor general at low dollars on the open market, so Boston could always look to free agency to fill that need (it also gives a little bit more time for Terrence Williams' legal situation to play out and whether he'll be back to provide ball-handling depth).

I am intrigued by how the Celtics have worked out some late-round ball-handlers. Could they find a defensive-minded guard that could be stashed at the end of the roster and allowed to develop as a depth point guard? With Rondo's health no guarantee at the start of the year, even if the team has set an aggressive timeline for the start of training camp, a young ball-handler could get increased preseason reps with Boston and that could help foster their development.

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Post by bobheckler Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:31 am

Forsberg is right about finding a rotation big man in free agency. It is hard to do. Therefore, if Danny can get one at #16, I'd take him UNLESS they are planning on trading Rondo for, say, Dwight Howard or Brook Lopez or some other quality starting center (I'm not saying that's a good or bad idea, but if that's what Danny's lining up) and then I'd take Schroeder or Larkin to learn point. Average-to-good point guards can be gotten for reasonable $ in free agency. Centers? No. That means you either have to give up someone of high quality or you find someone doing a complete rebuild and will take quantity over quality (like Minny in the KG deal), also very hard to do.


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Post by mrkleen09 Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:40 am

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Agree with your assessment about the value of quality big men. But I think a Center, more than any other position - takes time to develop. Rarely does a guy come out of school and start at Center and make an impact.

So if the Celtics a 5 year plan - sure draft a center. But if they expect to keep KG, Terry, and maybe Pierce - they need to win now. In that case, they are much better drafting a good position player - and either having him replace a current player that has trade value - or if the draftee has value, package him up and send him along to another team for a big man.

Drafting another "project" like Fab Mello is a wasted pick IMO.
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Post by bobheckler Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:55 am

mrkleen09 wrote:Bob

Agree with your assessment about the value of quality big men. But I think a Center, more than any other position - takes time to develop. Rarely does a guy come out of school and start at Center and make an impact.

So if the Celtics a 5 year plan - sure draft a center. But if they expect to keep KG, Terry, and maybe Pierce - they need to win now. In that case, they are much better drafting a good position player - and either having him replace a current player that has trade value - or if the draftee has value, package him up and send him along to another team for a big man.

Drafting another "project" like Fab Mello is a wasted pick IMO.


mrkleen,

I agree about Melo. He turned out to be a REALLY big project. We would have been much better off with Festus Ezeli, drafted by GSW instead with, I think, #30. Either Adams or Plumlee are further along, although Plumlee's defense, from what I've read, definitely needs work. Rudy Gobert has the defensive skills, but has the offense of Ryan Hollins. He also needs to add 30# which, if you look at his body, he should be able to do. His legs, though, are toothpicks. Building up your legs so you can add the muscle on the upper body takes time. Still, he's is VERY active defensively and runs very well for a 7'2" man. You can't teach height.

If they plan on winning now, they are more than one positional player away, IMO, certainly more than a rookie away.

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Post by NYCelt Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:58 pm

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Post by dboss Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:18 pm

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I am with you on this.

The PG's out there are pretty good but there is still a steep learning curve so if you have a solid PG in place already (they do) then you get a BU veteran PG like the Celtics should have done last year.

We need a big now. And that big needs to be able to play NOW.

The centers in focus but in no particular ordr. Adams, Gobert, Plumlee and Dieng. Adams is moving up the draft board but I think that is potential working. He has only played one year averagign 23 MPG and there is nothing particularly outstanding from a stat line but he does appear to have skills.

Plumlee has a short wing span so he is out. Gobert Could turn out to be a steal 3-4 years down the road but he is razor thin. That leaves my dream pick Dieng. This kid has only been playing basketball for 6 years. So think about this. He played for three years and ended up at Louisville for 3 years anchoring a national championship team. He can play the PF and center position and can play from day one. He will need to add some strength and continue to develop as he is far from the finished product but I think he can play right now.

The Celtics may purchased a pick and that is why they are looking at PG's. I cannot believe that danny would not draft a big this year.

For a relatively weak draft class as far as super stars, there are a healthy number of options for the Celtics at 16.

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Post by Outside Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:32 pm

I agree with the general assessment that the Celtics should draft a big man. At the point guard position, they already have an established starter but need a backup, but they are lacking at both center (they don't have one, just power forwards filling in) and power forward, where their best option plays center and could retire any day now, and their other options are a collection of guys who are best suited for the second unit.

A backup point guard would be nice, but a couple of bigs are essential. Draft for what's essential.
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Post by mulcogiseng Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:42 pm

What do you mean Fab was a bust? You must have missed this post from Matty:

"Deal 3: Boston sent their own #16 pick, their 2017 second as well as Courtney Lee, Fab Melo and Brandon Bass to Utah in exchange for Al Jefferson and the Jazz's #21 pick in the draft."

We should be fine

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Post by bobheckler Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:38 pm

dboss wrote:NYCelt

I am with you on this.

The PG's out there are pretty good but there is still a steep learning curve so if you have a solid PG in place already (they do) then you get a BU veteran PG like the Celtics should have done last year.

We need a big now. And that big needs to be able to play NOW.

The centers in focus but in no particular ordr. Adams, Gobert, Plumlee and Dieng. Adams is moving up the draft board but I think that is potential working. He has only played one year averagign 23 MPG and there is nothing particularly outstanding from a stat line but he does appear to have skills.

Plumlee has a short wing span so he is out. Gobert Could turn out to be a steal 3-4 years down the road but he is razor thin. That leaves my dream pick Dieng. This kid has only been playing basketball for 6 years. So think about this. He played for three years and ended up at Louisville for 3 years anchoring a national championship team. He can play the PF and center position and can play from day one. He will need to add some strength and continue to develop as he is far from the finished product but I think he can play right now.

The Celtics may purchased a pick and that is why they are looking at PG's. I cannot believe that danny would not draft a big this year.

For a relatively weak draft class as far as super stars, there are a healthy number of options for the Celtics at 16.

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dboss,

If Plumlee is out because of his short wingspan, then Olynyk is waaaay out. He won the "Alligator Arms" Contest at the NBA draft combine.

And yet, it's looking like he won't even be available when we pick.


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Post by Sam Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:49 pm

No brainer!

• At #16, a PG would probably be good enough not to be wiling to play second fiddle to Rondo for very long. Journeymen PGs are usually available on the cheap, and they know enough tricks of the trade to offset eroding skills for a few minutes a game.

• I don't want the Celtics to get a big. I don't want the Celtics to get a guy who can play center and PF. I want a CENTER---specifically a CENTER who has the kind of body that could develop into dominance at the CENTER position. NO EQUIVOCATION. A CENTER! Get it? A CENTER.

If anyone believes the Celtics will get a really good center in free agency, (s)he hasn't been reading all the blurbs about the salary cap. And trading Rondo for a really good center would be counter-productive by decimating one position at which the Celtics usually have a clear advantage. And for those mentalities that would like to trade Terry, Lee, Bass, Melo, two Garden rats, and any other disliked Celtics players for a very good center, in his prime, I have a bridge to offer—a deck of cards, four players, and, most importantly, a dummy.

If they could trade KG and/or Pierce for one of the top five centers (whatever that means), great. And, if I could make gold out of spaghetti, I'd be in marinara heaven.

Barring an unconscious move by Danny (and he's obviously capable of making them), the best road to center domination is the draft has two parallel paths: 1. Draft a defensively gifted CENTER who has the physical assets and work ethnic that can mold him into a more-than-serviceable offensive force. 2. Have Kevin Garnett on hand (either as a player or a coach) to mentor him.

• Yes, if KG's not playing next year, they'd also need at least a journeyman CENTER or two to do the best possible job of holding the fort. So be it.

• From what I've heard and read about the various draft prospects for the CENTER position, Adams would be my pick. He's legitimate CENTER height and weight. He's defensively gifted—particularly strong against the pick-and-roll and agile enough even to recover from mistakes and block shots. His bulk is already NBA-ready and should increase fairly readily. The important thing is that it's his upper body that needs to gain strength; his lower body is already NBA-strong, and lower body strength is more difficult than upper body strength to gain. He has soft hands and is a good rebounder—especially on the offensive boards.

• He needs to get tougher and meaner. (Hello KG.) Most of his offensive production is off the boards. But apparently he has developed a relatively recent liking and increased aptitude for playing with his back to the basket, and he has already worked hard on improving his mid-range jumper.

• Adams apparently has a great body for a CENTER. Tall; around 255-260 with a large enough frame for growth. One scouting report says, "Runs like a deer," while others say he runs very well for a big man (I mean CENTER) and should be an asset on the fast break by either running a lane or taking advantage of his good outlet passing.

• His one most grievous downside is his free throw shooting. (I'd love to have him in a gym for three days.) But there's at least one cause for hope in that area. Apparently, his free throw shooting in practice is quite good. He just needs to carry that over to games. And i know of one thing that could help. He should never be allowed to stand at the line and toss up free throw after free throw without interruption. He should be made to go to the hoop after every free throw (made or missed) and score. Then he should repeat the process. Simply remaining at the line for shot after shot gives the shooter a "radar correction" advantage that is not always present in games. Moreover, he apparently has trouble finishing at the rim; this exercise could help in that area as well, particularly if someone were stationed under the hoop to defend him.

He apparently has pretty good form on his free throw attempts. He keeps his elbow tucked in. My bet is that, like many big guys, he doesn't have a good "feel" for letting the ball roll off his fingers and he doesn't trust arc on the ball. There's also a good exercise for these problems. A volley ball net is positioned across the free throw lane about half way between the line and the hoop. The top of the volley ball net varies in height by the height of the shooter but would probably be at about 12 fee for Adams. In practice or practice scrimmages, he'd be required to arc the ball over the volley ball net rather than in a comparatively straight line. It's fairly obvious how this exercise can help create a better arc. But it also creates more of a feel for the ball rolling off the fingertips because it's easier to shoot upward in that manner than to shoot a line drive.

Anyway, they probably have better ways of teaching free throw shooting than these. The important thing is that a kid who is as obviously coachable as Adams is should be able to boost his 44% mark considerably.

• It's his coachability, personability, and existing defensive prowess, more than any other single factor, that make me feel he could be a strong contributor for the Celtics in his first year—especially if the Celtics go in the more uptempo direction I'm hoping for. And I'd look for ongoing accelerated improvement from him.

Remember, Danny. A CENTER. No more tweeners.

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Post by NYCelt Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:18 pm

Sam,

Adams does sound like a good fit at center that might drop to a spot in the mid-to-late first round. His stock seems to be rising quickly, with OKC a couple of spots ahead of us and reportedly looking for a center as a priority too. Hopefully they go another route.

Dieng and Withey also look like centers that are ready to step in and earn some minutes quickly.

Figuring we need a center and a power forward I'd feel comfortable taking Plumlee if he's available. He's among the very few options that could be considered legit at center or power forward in the NBA (along with Dieng and Olynyk). If we're thinking of building an offense that is capable of picking up the tempo he's a guy we might want on the floor with Rondo. He can rebound and is one of the tougher 7' centers available. Here's one of the many workout clips floating around on Plumlee;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=McZEfQf_GYk

This one's long (16 min) but is fairly in depth with game footage. Among weaknesses they question his lateral quickness, which I think is a fair assessment, and toughness, which I think is way off base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhyZW-4sDHI

Adams, Dieng, Withey, Plumlee. One would think we should be able to snag one of those.

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Post by Sam Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:54 am

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I thought Plumlee's second video was particularly revealing. Although the first video showed him hitting jumper after jumper in practice (with no one defending him), he apparently took very few jumpers in games and, with a defender on him, looked sort of like a brickmaster when he did take them.

Tommy Heinsohn would instantly fall in love with Plumlee's hook shots (with either hand). But (although this may have been an illusion) it seemed there were relative midgets covering him when he hit those hooks. When facing a legitimate tall and agile big man, Plumlee seemed to struggle—especially if played on the left shoulder.

But it was on defense where I was truly underwhelmed. Against the pick-and-roll, he often seemed to lose his man, and he looked helpless against quickness—especially lateral quickness. He truly seemed to avoid contact, letting guys go right by him.

His rebounding and offense seem to be what most recommend him. But (given the choice with the Celtics in mind) I'd opt for a center whose defense most recommend him. There's a question in my mind of how much additional upside can be expected in the 24-year-old Plumlee, compared with a younger, extremely coachable Adams.

But you watch college games, and I seldom do. So I'd defer to your evaluations.

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Post by bobheckler Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:10 pm

Here's an interview with Jeff Goodman, formerly of CBS Sports and now ESPN, who is described as a "Draft Guru". The link to the article is just below this, the link to the audiocast that is referenced in the column is all the way at the bottom of this post. I listened to the podcast. It's about 38 minutes, but it was very interesting listening. He definitely does know his stuff, although I disagree with his thoughts that Danny would be good to pick Schroeder or Larkin with #16, I think Danny MUST go big, but then I thought he was crazy to draft Sully too. Listening to his thoughts, he knows his basketball and provides some very interesting insights into various players and what GMs look for at the draft combine and other stuff. He also drops a few names that have not been on the Celtics radar that he likes, that will be available at 16 and that you might see Danny draft down and get. He opines about Plumlee, Adams and Olynyk and others including Shabazz Mohammed, which some have us picking. He compares Larkin and Schroeder. He also had an opinion about Alex Len and what should happen if he drops into the 6-10 slots (he's certainly not going to drop below that!). If you can spare the 38 minutes, it's worth it.

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2013/06/06/nba-draft-guru-jeff-goodman-on-celtics-i-could-see-them-taking-a-kid-like-dennis-schroeder/


After the Game of Thrones-esque series premiere of the Green Street podcast with likely top-10 pick Michael Carter-Williams, NBA draft guru Jeff Goodman joined Ben Rohrbach for Episode 2. For the complete interview, click here.

A former CBS Sports columnist recently hired by ESPN, Goodman knows the Celtics well as a native of the Boston area, and his draft knowledge is beyond reproach. Here are a couple highlights to wet your whistle for an interview that spans everything from potential steals to likely busts of the June 27 NBA draft.

On the draft: “It’s not bad in terms of depth. The problem is the top eight guys normally are guys who you think might be All-Stars, and I’m not sure you can say that about a single guy in this draft. That’s the biggest difference this year.

“There’s decent depth. In the thirties and forties, there’s similar talent level to what you had a year ago or two years ago. It’s really more the top-10 picks that you look at, and you go, ‘Eh, they’re all about the same.’ I don’t see a guy here that’s going to be a No. 1 or 2 guy on a team in the next five years.”

On the Celtics: “They need a little bit of everything. I could see them taking a kid like Dennis Schroeder — the point guard from Germany, who’s fast and athletic. He has a little bit of [Rajon] Rondo in him — the speed, the athleticism. He’s got some red flags from what I’m told as far as his personality is concerned, and he throws the ball around a little bit. He doesn’t always make great decisions.


“It’s funny, because Rondo is obviously that one solid guy that they have. Once he gets healthy, he comes back. [Paul] Pierce and [Kevin] Garnett, you don’t know. But, if you get a kid like Schroeder, and he turns out to be a top-five or top-10 point guard in the league, it would allow them to trade Rondo and not have to get another elite point guard back, which has been there issue over the last couple years when they’ve tried to deal him.”

Oh, and while you listen here are Goodman’s top players potentially available to the Celtics at each position.

Bigs: Steven Adams, Mason Plumlee, Kelly Olynyk, Gorgui Dieng
Wings: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Sergey Karasev, Allen Crabbe
Guards: C.J. McCollum, Schroeder, Shane Larkin



http://audio.weei.com/a/75879683/the-green-street-podcast-jeff-goodman.htm


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Post by dboss Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:40 pm

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You have made a pretty compelling argument for Steve Adams.

I have a completely different take. I see Adams as a young inexperience prospect that has the physical attributes to play center (Height, weight, wingspan, reasonably athletic)

But by all accounts he is considered to be a prospect that has significant work to do before he is ready to play at an NBA level. The sample size is one year at Pitt and only 23 minutes per game. His weakness are just as prominent as his strength. He runs the court well and is a good weak side defender but he cannot make a free throw and he has no elbow shot, no post moves and does not pass the ball very well. His post defense is suspect for a guy his size. In sum he is not ready. Perhaps he will develop and become a serviceable player but today he is basically a poor mans Greg Steamsma.

On the other hand my pick for Center Dieng is a proven player that does everything that Adams can do plus he can pass the ball and hit the elbow jumper. He needs to get stronger and continue to develop his offensive game but he is NBA ready right now.

These guys played against each other this year

Adams went for 8 points 7 rebounds, 2 steals 1 block and zero assists - not bad

Dieng went for 14 points 12 rebounds, 0 steals 5 blocks and 4 assists

I watched a lot of college ball this year and Adams is definitely not the guy that can anchor the post for us near term and perhaps never.. below is the box score link.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330280097

Draft express also has detailed videos of these players. They show the good bad and ugly. Very revealing.

Also if you get a chance check out the video on the SG coming out of Georgia. Has big time hoops and takes and makes absolutely ridiculous shots from ayyyyy behind the 3 point line. Plays D too,,Kentavious Caldwell-Pope SG

If we do not go big this guy is the one guy to take a lot at. He also has weaknesses, takes bad shots..in general decision making,, but the weaknesses are correctable.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kentavious-Caldwell-Pope-6240/

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Post by cowens/oldschool Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:26 pm

I say Dieng, great posts everyone....lets trade a bunch of junk and get back Big Al, come on Danny get creative....

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Post by Sam Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:22 am

Dboss,

Your take on Adams is certainly more informed than mine. I guess I'm a little more concerned than some that Dieng could be gone by #16. As for the shooting guard you mentioned, my only concern is whether I could ever learn to say his name.

Cow,

I'm certain that Utah is just champing at the bit to take a "bunch of junk" for Al Jefferson because no other teams would offer greater value for a legitimate center.. Moreover, I hear the Utah GM has a "STUPID" tattoo on his forehead. LOL.

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Post by cowens/oldschool Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:42 am

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The way to get him is give away enough junk, Crawford, etc then sign Big Al as a free agent, if we can get both we'll have a big rotation of KG, Big Al, Dieng and Sully that will end our rebounding deficiencies.

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Post by bobheckler Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:58 am

The rumor coming out of Utah is that they will not sign Big Al AND Millsap. My preference is for Jefferson, but I'd take Millsap.

Given the choice between just letting one of them go, and getting some "junk" which they might turn into gold or use as salary filler in a trade of of their own, I'd say junk might work, as long as there's some value in the deal for them somewhere.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:29 pm

You really want Al back? I loved the kid when he was here, and he has devoloped a great offensive game, but, is he truly the answer? I would say no. I would take Milsap, a true center. That is, of course, if KG is coming back.

The rumor mill is full of all sorts of information. I just don't know who or what to believe anymore. Is Doc really "mulling" his options??? Is KG waiting for Doc to decide?? Is Doc holding out to see what happens with Paul Pierce???? Is he holding Danny hostage over this???? What is the "healthy" interest in PP and just who is it??? New Orleans??? What a way to treat a guy who has given so much to your team for all these years.

QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS. We have about two weeks before I think some of this will happen. What, I don't know. I have a headache thinking about it!!! Sorry, PP should stay.

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Post by bobheckler Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:23 pm

sam wrote:Dboss,

Your take on Adams is certainly more informed than mine. I guess I'm a little more concerned than some that Dieng could be gone by #16. As for the shooting guard you mentioned, my only concern is whether I could ever learn to say his name.

Cow,

I'm certain that Utah is just champing at the bit to take a "bunch of junk" for Al Jefferson because no other teams would offer greater value for a legitimate center.. Moreover, I hear the Utah GM has a "STUPID" tattoo on his forehead. LOL.

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As of 6/8, every mock draft I follow has Dieng being picked AFTER #16.


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Post by Sam Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:34 pm

Cow,

No fair using vague terms such as "give away," "junk," and "etc." By "junk" and "etc.," do you mean guys like Melo, Terry, Lee and Bass (in addition to Crawford)? If so, they're all signed for the coming season, so exactly what would be the mechanism whereby Danny would "give them away" without taking on roughly equivalent salaries in trade? If Danny stood on a street corner with a "Got Junk?" sign and literally tossed these guys into slowing vehicles, wouldn't it be a tad illegal?

Presumably, they could amnesty Pierce (whom I'd not characterize as "junk") and basically trade Al's salary for Pierce's. (Would you call Pierce "junk?") But otherwise, I see the Celtics being largely prevented from paying out a lot of free agency money. So far, the Jazz haven't committed even 50% of their cap to 2013-14, so they're not exactly compelled to get rid of Al for "junk" (whatever that is).

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Post by Sam Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:04 pm

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Just for the heck of it, I looked at the first 10 listed
mock draft predictions, and Adams wasn't pinpointed for the Celtics on
any of them. Most of the predictions had Adams going before the Celtics' pick.

4 Plumlee (C)
1 Muhammed (SF)
1 Mitchell (6' 9" PF)
1 Larkin (5' 11" PG)
1 Caldwell-Pope (SG)
1 Zeller (C)
1 Rice (SF)

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Post by steve3344 Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:26 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:You really want Al back? I loved the kid when he was here, and he has devoloped a great offensive game, but, is he truly the answer? I would say no. I would take Milsap, a true center. That is, of course, if KG is coming back.

The rumor mill is full of all sorts of information. I just don't know who or what to believe anymore. Is Doc really "mulling" his options??? Is KG waiting for Doc to decide?? Is Doc holding out to see what happens with Paul Pierce???? Is he holding Danny hostage over this???? What is the "healthy" interest in PP and just who is it??? New Orleans??? What a way to treat a guy who has given so much to your team for all these years.

QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS. We have about two weeks before I think some of this will happen. What, I don't know. I have a headache thinking about it!!! Sorry, PP should stay.

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At 6'8" how is Milsap even remotely "a true center"? He's a power forward, and a slightly undersized one at that.

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Post by cowens/oldschool Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:28 pm

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I definitely don't mean Pierce, I'm thinking hes got more left than Ginoblli and Wade, I'm thinking he could come off the bench similar to Ginoblli and be very effective especially if we have Rondo back doing his thing at the point....the junk is most of those players you mentioned, Bass, Lee, Crawford is more junkie than junk....maybe we could still use Jet and maybe Melo is making strides this offseason in workouts, I don't know, those 2 could also be on the list to give away somehow to clear room.

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Post by bobheckler Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:32 pm

sam wrote:BobH,

Just for the heck of it, I looked at the first 10 listed
mock draft predictions, and Adams wasn't pinpointed for the Celtics on
any of them. Most of the predictions had Adams going before the Celtics' pick.

4 Plumlee (C)
1 Muhammed (SF)
1 Mitchell (6' 9" PF)
1 Larkin (5' 11" PG)
1 Caldwell-Pope (SG)
1 Zeller (C)
1 Rice (SF)


Sam,
Adams, yes. Dieng, no. We were talking about Dieng and gou said "Dieng".


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