Looking like Doc and KG really may go to Clips

I sure hope it happens.

Swish

If this actually happens, it would be no surprise if it's just the first of several moves to reshape the team quickly, and, it would appear, with a strong young nucleus.

Get it done, I'm sick of it all!

As of 7:00pm Saturday LA sources and USA today are now saying the Celtics insistence on Bledsoe is a deal breaker.  They're reportedly about to offer their head coach spot to Shaw or Hollins.  

Doc is said to have also wanted to have both Paul and Bledsoe.

Clips are also reported to want to use Bledsoe in a package with Griffin going to the Lakers for Howard.

Many sources; many soap operas.  I think either way the bridge with Doc and the Celtics is probably burned.

The Lakers will say they are not trading Dwight. We'll see what happens on 7/1.
I think they would accept Bledsoe and Griffin for Dwight.
Maybe I am wrong.
 
Bledsoe, Jordan and 2 1st round picks is way too much to give up for Garnett and Doc. Danny seems to frequently  overvalue his players value and miss out on trade opportunities.

It is funny, I listened to Bill Simmons on that radio show I talked about today.  Sean Grande, the Celtics radio announcer has a show on from 1-3 on Saturday afternoons.  Grande fells that this decision was coming months ago.
Maxwell feels as if it is okay for Doc to want to leave, Grande feels he is abandoning ship.  Simmons said that Doc has coached his last game in Boston, one way or the other. They were quite interesting to listen to. 

The one thing Simmons did say was that Doc has not proven that he can handle young talent and develop it the way it should be done.  How many times have we heard these words?  


I am so conflicted by all of this, stay? go? I feel as if we have a ship that everyone I have rooted for is on and it is sinking!  I always looked forward to the day that KG and PP retired and watched their numbers go up in the rafters at Boston Garden.  Things change I guess. 

Rosalie

LOOKS LIKE SMITH OF ESPN WAS NOT CRAZY AFTER ALL!

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TJ,

Agreed.

IMHO Ainge should take Jordan and one first rounder as offered and do it.

Even at that he would be getting away with robbery.

Doc's value to us long-term is now in question (OK, what question?  I was being polite; Doc's toxic to us at this point) and why anybody would be dumb enough to give us Jordan for KG even up, much less throw in a pick, is beyond me.

If Bledsoe is the deal breaker, just do it as offered Danny.  Let's get some real value while we can and build from there.

Regards

This is round 1 in negotiating 101.  I am sure when all said and done...LEE or JET TERRY or both will be involved. For that matter throw Bass into the mix as well. Danny is not stupid.......he knows he is about to pull a WILLIE SUTTON on the Clippers!


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Celtics-Clippers talks to send Doc Rivers, Kevin Garnett to L.A. stall


Boston has had talks about sending Kevin Garnett and Doc Rivers to join the Clippers.

Discussions over a blockbuster deal to send Boston Celtics star Kevin Garnett to the Los Angeles Clippers – with Doc Rivers as coach – reached an impasse on Saturday afternoon, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The Clippers are willing to part with center DeAndre Jordan and a first-round draft pick for Garnett – and the rights to hire Rivers – but so far have refused to include Boston's desire for point guard Eric Bledsoe into the package, sources said.

Boston general manager Danny Ainge has requested Bledsoe and a second first-round pick, but all involved believe that Bledsoe's inclusion into the package would get a deal done. Rivers has delivered word to Clippers management that they shouldn't include Bledsoe into a package for him, that he wants to coach him in Los Angeles, sources said.
Celtics and Clippers management – as well as Rivers – want a finality to these discussions in short order, sources involved told Yahoo! Sports. No one involved has shown an appetite for these talks to linger without resolution.

Garnett, 37, will waive his no-trade clause to leave Boston only if Rivers joins him as coach, sources said. Rivers still needed to talk to Clippers star Chris Paul about his free-agency plans this summer, sources told Yahoo! Sports. It is believed that the arrival of Rivers and Garnett would be the final moves needed to assure Paul to re-signing with the Clippers in July.

Rivers has three years and $21 million left on his Celtics contract, but doesn't want to stay in Boston unless the Celtics are willing to bring back Garnett and Paul Pierce to avoid rebuilding for another year, sources said. Boston will not let Rivers coach or work anywhere in the NBA for the duration of his contract without compensation, sources said.
The Clippers have shown a willingness to give Rivers a contract extension that's competitive with his Boston salary, sources said. Throughout this awkward process, Boston has told Rivers that it still wants him to return as coach should the Clippers discussions never reach fruition, sources said.

While the Clippers had the wistful thought of trying to arrange a sign-and-trade to acquire Dwight Howard for Bledsoe and Blake Griffin, the Lakers have flatly rejected the idea, sources said.
"They'll never do it," one source with direct knowledge of the conversations told Yahoo! Sports.

So far, the Lakers have rejected every possible sign-and-trade scenario for Howard, sources said. The possibility of trading him within the Staples Center is probably the least palatable scenario of all should they be forced to lose him for nothing in July and finally do agree to a sign-and-trade possibility.

Bledsoe can be a restricted free agent in 2014 and it will be difficult to pay him a market value with Paul on the roster.

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Ugh.

Doc told the Clipper's management not to include Bledsoe in a deal because he wants to coach him in LA?

Considering he still works for the Celtics, isn't that tampering?


bob


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This whole thing is tampering.  The report yesterday said that Doc was going to be calling Chris Paul to make sure he was on board with the Clips.  Huh????  

Somehow, someway, this will happen because Danny is not going to let Doc dictate the terms.  I had read that Doc wanted Bledsoe also, this whole thing is leaving a sour taste in my mouth.  What a way to go out.

Rosalie

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Rosalie,

"Tampering", in my opinion, means that one of the two controlling principals initiates a communication with someone in the other principal's organization without that principal's permission.  Obviously, Danny has given permission for Doc to talk to the Clippers.  It's no secret that the Clippers are very focused on getting Chris Paul to re-sign with them.  It is reasonable to assume, therefore, that they would give permission, even require it, for Doc to talk to Paul and see if Paul gives his blessing to all this.  The worst of all possible scenarios for the Clips would be if this deal happened and, for Paul, that was the last straw in his anger with Clip management, resulting in his departure to other grazing pastures with that biggest of all farm animals, Bovine Howardicus.

I do not, however, see how it could possibly be in Danny's interest for Doc to tell Danny's counterpart in LA that they should not include a player that Danny is holding out for.  That is detrimental to the team.

That means that this report is either bogus (a distinct possibility) or Doc has done something that is very uncharacteristic for him, he is being disloyal.  Doc wants to leave because he doesn't want to do a rebuild and, perhaps, because he and Danny are a little tired of hearing the other one chirping in their ears, but I have not heard anything yet that suggests that he and Danny's relationship has turned toxic, and that's what this would suggest, that Doc is deliberately trying to torpedo Danny and undermine his authority.  That DOES NOT sound like Doc.


bob


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Good point, Bob.  I think that is hype.  I hope it is, otherwise you are correct and we have a real mess and the deal won't go down. 

I like the way DA is leading the pack again with this proposed innovative deal.  While I don't think you can include a coach in a player deal, that is exactly what this is. 

Again, DA will take the league into new territory if he pulls this one off and gets Bledsoe to boot. 

Clips are also entertaining Blake and Bledsoe (?) for Dwight.   Should be an interesting 48 hours. 

Take it Danny.  Then get on with the rest of the plan. 

db

BLAKE MUST REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS. IT NOW MUDDIES THE WATER FOR THE CLIPPERS AS WELL.

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The Clippers are in no position to play hard ball. Here is why:

No Doc.......No KG = No Chis Paul........and the Clippers will be far from a championship contender..

The Celtic have Doc by the you know what. If he decides to go to broadcasting.......go ahead Doc.......your not going to earn $7M there........and OH BY THE WAY........you cannot be involved with another NBA team for 3 years.

KG will probably retire if Doc is not there and Pierce will be traded or waived.............so cap room opens up to start the process of rebuilding........which was going to happen any way.........with or with out this deal with the Clippers.

So I think a third team may be involved to give the Clippers a point guard to replace Bledsoe. Also look to the Celtics moving other players as well including Bass, Terry and Lee.

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Jordan and 2 first rounders sounds good to me. It'll pay off down the road with getting early picks and getting younger.

Letting Doc go sounds good. I can't see the team wanting to play for a man not willing to commit everything to his team.

I'm praying this deal goes through.

Ainge needs to be careful and not muck up this opportunity.   I would be satisfied with Jordan and 2 first rounders.  This would set us up for the future.  I would not let the Bledsoe issue kill this deal.  Bledsoe is a BU point guard on the Clippers and will be a BU point guard on the Celtics unless DA is also thinking about moving Rondo.  But that would make no sense.  We will need some type of continuity

Once Doc went down this road his return to coaching the Celtics was tainted.  The Clippers want to retain Chris Paul so they also have pressure on them to make the deal.

A few months back no one would have believed this was possible especially Doc Rivers turning into Benedict Rivers

dboss

Doc has shown his true colors. I thought he was a man of integrity and a rare person in world of today's NBA....but that is simply not the case.

Yes, Doc was loyal to the Celtics........when he suffered through some very bad seasons with them.........but.........how much of it was Doc's fault as well that the Celtics could not play well. He certainly did not bring young players to their full potential...like Big Al Jefferson....and West. While on this subject........why was he fired from Orlando when he was named coach of the year?

Let us not forget Doc's first year as coach .....During his first years with the Celtics, he was criticized by many in the media for his coaching style, most vociferously by ESPN's Bill Simmons, who in 2006 publicly called for Rivers to be fired in his columns.

In return, the Celtics were loyal to Doc. They stuck by him....made the big trade to get him the horses to win.......allowed him to take off from practices etc.....to watch his son Austin play for Duke.......and his daughter in volley ball all the while providing private jets for him to do so...............and provided him a 5 year ...$7M per year contract (highest paid coach in the NBA) and family security for life.

So what does Doc do............moan and groan that he has to be there to rebuild the Celtics!       Sounds like Phil "The Flake" Jackson!

How loyal was Gregg Popovich to SA..........did he run to another team when  David Robinson and the team grew old?

Ah...loyalty..........a rare breed in the world of the modern NBA!

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Did you complain about loyalty when Garnett agreed to come to Boston.
Swish

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And he certainly lead everyone to believe that he would embrace a rebuild when he signed the big extension.

Him wanting to go coach the Clippers is an admission that he is not capable of 'coaching the players' up, over achieving and showing real skills as a coach.  His best quality as a coach maybe his ability to communicate with players and the fact that many players want to play for him.

I for one am not disappointed or angry.  I see this as an opportunity to see a new style of play from this team.  I like what we have going forward and with a key trade here and there and a good selection in the draft Boston can be a contender again.

Something has to happen at this point.  Doc has to go because the players cannot be expected to support him as a coach since he pretty much said that they are not good enough.   

After the smoke clears DA must get a new coach and for my money, Hollins would be at the top of my list.

dboss

Remember, at the trading deadline asking for Bledsoe was the deal breaker. That was just for KG, now that Doc is in the picture, why not require him to make the deal?  I wouldn't give in too soon.

It is amazing to me that all this is being done in the public eye.  Rivers really has lost the respect of alot of Celtic fans, so you are right, I cannot see him coming back. Supposedly money is not an issue (ha ha), so if he walks away from $21 million there is more to this than meets the eye.

Rosalie

Rosalie

Both sides are low balling each other.  I think this deal can be done once DA takes Bledsoe off the table.  Jordan and 2 first rounders works for me.  Bledsoe is overated.  I have not seen enough from him to warrant this impasse. 

The draft picks provide leverage for other moves down the road.

Given that Doc is really not interested in going through the valley and that KG is old, has 2 years left and reportedly is suffering from bone spurs, it is logical to make the move now and get what you can. 

If we do not make the deal then what?  KG coming back, doc coming back....A mess...a real mess.

Rosie the best thing about this is that we are Boston Celtics fans.

dboss