Looking like Doc and KG really may go to Clips

112288 wrote:Doc has shown his true colors. I thought he was a man of integrity and a rare person in world of today's NBA....but that is simply not the case.

Yes, Doc was loyal to the Celtics........when he suffered through some very bad seasons with them.........but.........how much of it was Doc's fault as well that the Celtics could not play well. He certainly did not bring young players to their full potential...like Big Al Jefferson....and West. While on this subject........why was he fired from Orlando when he was named coach of the year?

Let us not forget Doc's first year as coach .....During his first years with the Celtics, he was criticized by many in the media for his coaching style, most vociferously by ESPN's Bill Simmons, who in 2006 publicly called for Rivers to be fired in his columns.

In return, the Celtics were loyal to Doc. They stuck by him....made the big trade to get him the horses to win.......allowed him to take off from practices etc.....to watch his son Austin play for Duke.......and his daughter in volley ball all the while providing private jets for him to do so...............and provided him a 5 year ...$7M per year contract (highest paid coach in the NBA) and family security for life.

So what does Doc do............moan and groan that he has to be there to rebuild the Celtics!       Sounds like Phil "The Flake" Jackson!

How loyal was Gregg Popovich to SA..........did he run to another team when  David Robinson and the team grew old?

Ah...loyalty..........a rare breed in the world of the modern NBA!

112288




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112288,

I'm afraid I'm not getting this.

I'm not convinced that Big Al is playing that much better, a couple of coaching changes later, than he was when he came out of high school and played for Doc.  He has still never made an all-star team, not even as a coach's pick.  As for Delonte West it's hard to make progress when you have to yell to be heard over all the other voices in his head.  I would point out, though, that while West was here he was a model citizen, all his shenanigans coming when he was elsewhere.

Just to get the tick-tock correct, Doc was named COY in 2000.  He was fired in 2003 after a horrible 1-10 start, when he had basketball immortals Andrew LeClerq, Juwan Howard and Tyronn Lue starting most of the games.  George Karl, the 2nd winningest coach in Denver history behind Doug Moe (I wonder how many of Moe's wins came in the defensively-challenged ABA) and only the 7th coach in NBA history to win 1000 games, was just fired less than one month after winning Coach of the Year.  Some things are just beyond explanation.

I love Bill Simmons, he is by far my favorite sports writer.  

I do not believe Danny got the horses so Doc can win.  I believe he got them so the Celtics could win.  It just so happens Doc was the coach when those deals were pulled off.  If Beezlebub had been the head coach in 2007, the Prince of Darkness would be wearing a ring the size of a golf ball with diamond-encrusted shamrocks on it right now.

I wouldn't call Phil Jackson a "flake".  He just has no interest in teams that are "building", preferring instead "builts".  That makes him no different than every other NBA coach with the exception of Larry Brown.

No, Pop did not run anywhere when David Robinson retired in 2003.  Then again, at that time, Tim Duncan was 26 years old, Ginobili was 25 and Tony Parker was only 20.  Perhaps the question to ask might be "would Pop have run to another team if management had traded Duncan for a couple of draft choices and an inferior center?".  Doc wants to keep the Old Gang together for one last charge to glory.  Many people, including some on this board, disagree with that, they think we should start the rebuild now, but all Doc wants to do is what Pop has done.

Here's a thought:  perhaps, just perhaps, Doc and Danny both knew Doc wasn't going to be around for a rebuild when he signed this 5 year deal.  Maybe that was just the public face they put on it to convince KG to stick around?  Maybe that was the face of stability they wanted to project to free agents who wanted to play for Doc and wanted some confidence he would be sticking around?  Teams are under no obligation to tell us the truth if it is in their best interests to obfuscate.  Try getting truth out of teams about the severity of a player's injury.  How many times did we hear the Celtics tell us that "KG would only be out a week or two"  and that stretched out?

To paraphrase Michael Corleone, "this isn't personal, 112288, it's strictly business", and a lot of this business is done behind closed doors that we will never ever get a true glimpse of because the people behind those doors do not feel it is in the team's interest for us to know that stuff.


bob


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dboss wrote:TJ

If he just walks away he may be restricted from coaching for 3 years.  If he comes back expect a full court damage repair campaign to convince everyone they these were  just exploratory talks and Doc always intended to return..

In other words, expect a large helping of bullshit.

Dboss

k_j_88 wrote:Sam,

The Clippers are treating Bledsoe as a deal breaker since they want to use him for a trade with the Lakers. I'm not so sure if Boston can pull off acquiring Bledsoe, too.

tjmakz,

I have a question, if Pierce were to be amnestied, are the Clippers required to pay him any specific amount of money on a contract or can they draw up what they want? Because if that's the case, that is one possible avenue for them to sign him.