Celtics signing Evan Turner?

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Hey BobH where are you when we need the theories????


Rosalie

Rosalie,

There's a fine line, like a draftsman's pencil, between theories and conspiracies.  Without my glasses I can't see it.

I'm going to take a look at this a bit more closely tomorrow.  Roster comparisons, roster needs, etc.

If/when ET signs and we know the $ we'll be able to play Wheel of Fortune with the trade machine.



bob



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Jeremy Lundblad @JLundbladESPN
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Among the 74 players with 8,000+ minutes over the last 4 seasons, Evan Turner ranks 74th in PER
2:10 PM - 21 Jul 2014



Normally I can't stand PER as a stat since it understates defense but if Turner's PER is that bad without taking into defense, and he's not known for his defense, he's pretty bad.

My opinion of Turner from watching him is that he is primarily a slasher, good in the full court with a mediocre mid-range game.  His defense is half-hearted.  His biggest problem, however, seems to be his attitude.  He was the #2 pick in the 2010 draft and he thinks that means he should be catered to.  Perhaps being shipped to Indy for Danny Granger (who is immediately cut), was not resigned by Indy and is now signing with Boston for part of the MLE, has let some of the air out of his balloon.  There is probably no greater learning experience than being fired/cut/waived/released.  It really makes you stop and wonder "WTF did I do?" while getting promoted often involves much less introspection.  Evan Turner just got "fired" twice in one year and his new job isn't as good as either of his previous two.

He has had some very good games against us, but that's not a reason to sign someone.  The reason to sign someone is because he fills a need and/or because he has very good games against our top rivals.  


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turneev01.html


We could use depth at 3, with Wallace coming off of knee surgery.  That means Johnson, Young or Turner.  Three players for 1 slot.  We are loaded at 2, which Turner can also play.

Minnesota, on the working assumption that Danny is signing players that Flip wants, has Kevin Martin, Alexey Schved, Shabazz Mohammed and Zach Lavine at SG and Chase Budinger, Kevin Martin and Corey Brewer at SF.  I don't doubt Flip would love to flip either Budinger ($5M this year with a player option next year; knee and ankle injuries which have limited him to 64 games total in 2 years in Minny) or Kevin Martin ($6.8M this year and another 2 years $14.4M total; very good shooter but uni-dimensional) to us.  Evan Turner would be an upgrade for either of them and, since he's signing for part of our MLE, he'd be cheaper than either one.  He'd also have a chance to compete for a starting spot vs Brewer.  He'd have no shot vs Jeff Green.  Green is up and Green is down, and that drives us crazy, but he plays both ends better than Turner.

So, any deal with Minny would almost certainly have to include Bass since with Hump now in DC, no other Celtic PF's contract is big enough to make the numbers work with any significant impact.  On the other hand, Sully or Kelly (let's say $2M) plus Bogans ($5M, instantly cut) plus Bradley ($8-9M) plus picks gets us close.  We have a $4.3M TPE from the Hump deal, maybe that can be used to make the numbers work or we throw in Babb/Johnson for $1-2M of unguaranteed contracts and that closes the gap significantly for Love and Budinger or Martin (Danny would argue for Budinger who only has two years left, Flip would want to give us Martin with his 3 years, $21M).  I know that Bradley would be more overkill at 2 for them, but he's the best defender at 2 they will have and he's an established NBA player with upside, which it is said Flip is looking for.



bob



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worcester wrote:Good ball handlers on the Celtics -
Rondo -PG
ET - SF
Kelly - - PF
Zeller - C

Anyone see a pattern developing?

worcester,

Ballhandlers at every position. Hmmm, didn't we just see a team in the playoffs who had that? They seemed to do pretty well.


bob



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sam wrote:Bob,

I've been watching that pattern, and those are the four guys I see exemplifying it, although I could also include Pressey.  Perhaps Smart will join the group, but that high dribble just has to go.  I'd say my two biggest concerns on the club in terms of ball-handling are Bradley and Bass.  Perhaps what Danny does with those two will be a good indication of the identity he's going for with this year's edition of the Celtics.

Sam

sam,


Bass is the modern day Celtic in the mold of Kevin McHale. Highly effective inside, has moves from the outside to get him inside (in McHale's case it was his drop step, in Bass' it is his left-handed, drive left power drive that finishes with a 2-handed dunk. Have you noticed he just about always drives left?) and a dependable mid-range jump shot that makes everything else possible. Also, like McHale, I don't expect to see Bass pass nor do I expect to see him as someone the offense can run through by drawing double teams or by putting it on the floor in a motion offense. That's much, much more like Kelly.


bob


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