Odds and Ends

GSW beat Atlanta in OT last night without Curry and Iggy.

If that doesn't make Atlanta think more about blowing things up in the off-season, what will? They can't beat GSW with 2 key players out. That should tell them just how far away they are.

And in other news, THANK YOU LOS ANGELES LAKERS!!


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Thank you, Rajon.


bob

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bobheckler wrote:Thank you, Rajon.


bob

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Phoenix keeps losing.
There's a chance the Brooklyn pick slips to #5.
Odds are the Brooklyn pick will be #4 as it doesn't look like Phoenix will be winning many more games the rest of the season.

tjmakz wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Thank you, Rajon.


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Phoenix keeps losing.
There's a chance the Brooklyn pick slips to #5.
Odds are the Brooklyn pick will be #4 as it doesn't look like Phoenix will be winning many more games the rest of the season.

TJ,

I agree. I never thought we'd have a good shot at #1. Neither Philly nor the Lakers have any incentive to win. In fact, the Lakers need to lose because if they don't get #4 or better they lose the pick to Philly. Nobody thought the Suns would suck this bad, but they do.


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bobheckler wrote:

tjmakz wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Thank you, Rajon.


bob

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Phoenix keeps losing.
There's a chance the Brooklyn pick slips to #5.
Odds are the Brooklyn pick will be #4 as it doesn't look like Phoenix will be winning many more games the rest of the season.

TJ,

I agree.  I never thought we'd have a good shot at #1.  Neither Philly nor the Lakers have any incentive to win.  In fact, the Lakers need to lose because if they don't get #4 or better they lose the pick to Philly.  Nobody thought the Suns would suck this bad, but they do.  


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I agree with Charles Barkley that theres alot of really weak unwatchable teams in this era.

bobheckler wrote:

tjmakz wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Thank you, Rajon.


bob

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Phoenix keeps losing.
There's a chance the Brooklyn pick slips to #5.
Odds are the Brooklyn pick will be #4 as it doesn't look like Phoenix will be winning many more games the rest of the season.

TJ,

I agree.  I never thought we'd have a good shot at #1.  Neither Philly nor the Lakers have any incentive to win.  In fact, the Lakers need to lose because if they don't get #4 or better they lose the pick to Philly.  Nobody thought the Suns would suck this bad, but they do.  


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When Brooklyn started off 0-7 I thought they were a lock to finish with the worst record.
They by far have the worst backcourt in the NBA.
Then losing Jarrett Jack and Joe Johnson, you would think they would lose more, but they have been pretty competitive.

The poor nets... they even have found a way to screw up screwing up

With 21 games remaining and 13 of them on the road The Nets should be 3rd or 4th from the bottom.

The Suns have 12 road games remaining and they too are god awful. As we look at the draft once Simmons and Ingram are off the board who is there at 3, 4 or 5 that would be a keeper?

Should Boston trade the pick in a bigger deal or perhaps move down in the draft?

Danny has the hots for adding a SF but we also could use a backup shooting guard that can put the ball in the hole and of course, a defensive center that can rebound would also be on the shopping list.

Every year some guy is drafted (not in the lottery) and he becomes an excellent player. Who are the sleepers out there?

dboss

Don't underestimate Danny's ability to trade some of our extra first round draft picks to Phoenix to move up in the draft. It could be a good thing that the Suns are plummeting if Danny can make a deal. Their needs are many, ours are few. We have many draft picks, they not so many.

dboss wrote:With 21 games remaining and 13 of them on the road The Nets should be 3rd or 4th from the bottom.

The Suns have 12 road games remaining and they too are god awful.  As we look at the draft once Simmons and Ingram are off the board who is there at 3, 4 or 5 that would be a keeper?

Should Boston trade the pick in a bigger deal or perhaps move down in the draft?

Danny has the hots for adding a SF but we also could use a backup shooting guard that can put the ball in the hole and of course, a defensive center that can rebound would also be on the shopping list.

Every year some guy is drafted (not in the lottery) and he becomes an excellent player.  Who are the sleepers out there?

dboss

It think Boston will definitely look to trade the pick this summer.
Out of Philly, LA and Phoenix, Boston is obviously the closest to being a contender.
Will the Lakers or Boston be able to pry Cousins from Sacramento's grips?
At what point does Sacramento start all over? They are never really close to the playoffs.
If LA or Boston has the #1 pick, they might be able to package that pick with other assets for Cousins.
If Rondo moves on from Sacramento, the playoffs in the future look very doubtful for Sacramento.

As of right now, it doesn't seem like there's anyone set in stone after the first two picks in the draft.

So, the Lakers can beat us and they beat GSW today but they cannot beat anybody else?


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bobheckler wrote:So, the Lakers can beat us and they beat GSW today but they cannot beat anybody else?


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LOL, very true Bob.
The Lakers lost by 29 at home to Atlanta Friday night...

Hey, Phoenix is on a two game winning streak (they actually beat Memphis on the road tonight) and is only one game worse that the Nets now. Denver beat Dallas today and the Rockets beat Toronto in Toronto and. Remember, we need the Rockets, Blazers and Jazz to pass Dallas so we get another lottery pick. Was a good day for us.

bobheckler wrote:So, the Lakers can beat us and they beat GSW today but they cannot beat anybody else?


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Bob - GS was an 18 point favorite and lost by 17.  Can't remember when a team that was so huge an underdog won by that many.  Here's how Yahoo Sports described what happened:  "Pulling off the greatest regular-season upset in NBA history – a 51-loss team defeating a 55-win team..."  But mentioning the 51 losses and 55 wins doesn't tell the whole story.  What you have is a team that will probably lose 65 games blowing out a team that may eventually win 72.  That's remarkable.  And especially remarkable is Curry (one for ten) and Thompson (0 for eight) going a combined 1 for 18 on threes.  

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/kobe-bryant-offers-warning-to-warriors-after-lakers--historic-upset-030042382.html

They said the Laker win was record setting

Dboss

dboss wrote:With 21 games remaining and 13 of them on the road The Nets should be 3rd or 4th from the bottom.

The Suns have 12 road games remaining and they too are god awful.  As we look at the draft once Simmons and Ingram are off the board who is there at 3, 4 or 5 that would be a keeper?

Should Boston trade the pick in a bigger deal or perhaps move down in the draft?

Danny has the hots for adding a SF but we also could use a backup shooting guard that can put the ball in the hole and of course, a defensive center that can rebound would also be on the shopping list.

Every year some guy is drafted (not in the lottery) and he becomes an excellent player.  Who are the sleepers out there?

dboss

I don't know about being sleeper, but Jaylen Brown may be there at #4 if someone take Bender in the top 3.

he would be the answer for that young SF .

a for a center upgrade, I think Danny will go after Horford with a BIG money offer as a FA. Releasing Amir and Jerebko and their non-guaranteed deals, IF needed.

a couple guys I think will be good NBA players:
Ivan Rabb- Bosh like comparisons
Domantas Sabonis- though not NEAR as big as his dad, I think he'll have a long NBA career.

Both will probably be lottery picks in the 6-12 range, I would guess today.

Taurean Prince SF from Baylor will be a late first rounder, as he is a senior already. but he could be a long time NBA players as well.

finally a guy I hope Danny selects with one of his later first rounder's in a draft and stash is Jonathan Jeanne from France (if he puts himself in the draft this year). the kid is 7-2 with a 7-6 wingspan and has been compared to his country mate Gobert, though he is a LONG way off form ever being that good today. Worth a late first if he'll stay in Europe a few years to ley his 19YO body develop more.

dboss wrote:They said  the Laker win was record setting

I saw something during the game about it being the greatest disparity between winning percentages in the history of the league, but there had to be some context, because obviously there have been undefeated teams play winless teams early in the season.

Regarding the Warriors' odds of beating the Bulls' 72-10 record, the sports media have been pointing toward their remaining games against San Antonio, the Clippers, and (previously) OKC, but it's the lesser teams that have tripped them up so far. Here are the losses they've had and the records of those teams going into those games:

Milwaukee 9-15
Dallas 18-13
Denver 14-24
Detroit 21-18
Portland 27-27
Lakers 12-51

Dallas looks like the most legitimate, straight-up loss, but the Warriors were missing Curry, Barnes, Ezeli, and Barbosa for that game. Otherwise, they just basically played poorly and lost those games, which happens over the course of an 82-game season. It just goes to show what a remarkable achievement the Bulls' 72-10 record was.

I don't think the Warriors are going to beat that 72-10 record. They're still on the same pace as the the Bulls, but the closing stretch will be the hardest part. I almost wish they'd lose a couple of games so they can quit thinking about the record, but San Antonio is on their heels, and losing a couple of games would threaten Golden State's position as the number one seed.

Those 1995-96 Bulls are the only team to crack the 70-win barrier, but we theoretically could see two teams do it this season. It's a slim chance though, because that would mean no more than 24 losses between the Spurs and Warriors. They already have 15 combined, with three more guaranteed when they play each other. That leaves a max of four six losses in 35 other games the two teams will play, and San Antonio has a very tough schedule remaining -- 14 of their remaining 18 games are against teams who are currently over .500.

My guess is that the Warriors will get 70 wins but not break the Bulls' record, while the Spurs will fall short of 70 wins. Pop will rest his guys, and they'll get a few Ls.

EDIT: Oops, my math was off -- I said the Warriors and Spurs could have a max of four losses other than the games they play each other, but it's six. Whatever, it ain't easy, but six does leave a less uncomfortable margin for error.

Outside wrote:

dboss wrote:They said  the Laker win was record setting

I saw something during the game about it being the greatest disparity between winning percentages in the history of the league, but there had to be some context, because obviously there have been undefeated teams play winless teams early in the season.

Regarding the Warriors' odds of beating the Bulls' 72-10 record, the sports media have been pointing toward their remaining games against San Antonio, the Clippers, and (previously) OKC, but it's the lesser teams that have tripped them up so far. Here are the losses they've had and the records of those teams going into those games:

Milwaukee 9-15
Dallas 18-13
Denver 14-24
Detroit 21-18
Portland 27-27
Lakers 12-51

Dallas looks like the most legitimate, straight-up loss, but the Warriors were missing Curry, Barnes, Ezeli, and Barbosa for that game. Otherwise, they just basically played poorly and lost those games, which happens over the course of an 82-game season. It just goes to show what a remarkable achievement the Bulls' 72-10 record was.

I don't think the Warriors are going to beat that 72-10 record. They're still on the same pace as the the Bulls, but the closing stretch will be the hardest part. I almost wish they'd lose a couple of games so they can quit thinking about the record, but San Antonio is on their heels, and losing a couple of games would threaten Golden State's position as the number one seed.

Those 1995-96 Bulls are the only team to crack the 70-win barrier, but we theoretically could see two teams do it this season. It's a slim chance though, because that would mean no more than 24 losses between the Spurs and Warriors. They already have 15 combined, with three more guaranteed when they play each other. That leaves a max of four losses in 35 other games the two teams will play, and San Antonio has a very tough schedule remaining -- 14 of their remaining 18 games are against teams who are currently over .500.

My guess is that the Warriors will get 70 wins but not break the Bulls' record, while the Spurs will fall short of 70 wins. Pop will rest his guys, and they'll get a few Ls.

outside,

The Dubs are on a record pace 55-6, and the Spurs are only 2.5 games back.

Amazing.


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The Nets have a couple of games coming up against the Sixers sandwiched around a game against the Bucks, but the rest of the schedule looks much more difficult than the Suns' schedule. Phoenix has had the toughest strength of schedule in the league to this point, and they have a lot of winnable games the rest of the way.

They're not passing the Sixers or Lakers in the race to the bottom, but the Nets very easily could wind up with the third-worst record.

Outside wrote:The Nets have a couple of games coming up against the Sixers sandwiched around a game against the Bucks, but the rest of the schedule looks much more difficult than the Suns' schedule. Phoenix has had the toughest strength of schedule in the league to this point, and they have a lot of winnable games the rest of the way.

They're not passing the Sixers or Lakers in the race to the bottom, but the Nets very easily could wind up with the third-worst record.

It will be an interesting final 19 games to see where Phoenix, Brooklyn and Minnesota finish.
Phoenix has the easiest remaining schedule. 6 of their 19 remaining games are against teams that would be in the playoffs if the season ended today.
10 of Brooklyn's final 19 games are against playoff teams and 11 of Minnesota's final 19 games are against playoff teams.

Keep the pick; it just might be a winner. Much cheaper to build that way than signing overpaid free agents.


KJ

Maybe not as big an upset as the Lakers beating GS yesterday, although the Cavs were a 15 point favorite over Memphis tonight, but the Grizzlies went into Cleveland without Gasol, Zach Randolph, Mike Conley Matt Barnes and the Birdman.  OK, the Birdman probably wouldn't have played much if the Grizz were healthy but with no Randolph or Gasol he would've gotten some minutes.

Anyway, with a horrid starting lineup of JaMychal Green and P.J Hairston at forward, Ryan Hollins at center (!) and Tony Allen and Mario Chalmers at guard, Memphis led virtually the entire game and beat a Cavs team only missing Mo Williams 106-103.  On their home court.  Wow.  Cavs should've won this one by 40.

Another poor game from Kevin Love who shot 2-9 with four turnovers.

In that Memphis/Cleveland game that the Grizz just won, no one in the game for Memphis was drafted higher than 25th except for Vince Carter and he's freaking 39 years old.  

Cavs can take out their frustrations on Sacramento on Wednesday as they now start a four game road trip with their lead over Toronto in the division down to just two games in the loss column.

steve3344 wrote:In that Memphis/Cleveland game that the Grizz just won, no one in the game for Memphis was drafted higher than 25th except for Vince Carter and he's freaking 39 years old.  

Cavs can take out their frustrations on Sacramento on Wednesday as they now start a four game road trip with their lead over Toronto in the division down to just two games in the loss column.

old friend Tony Allen played a vintage TA game, some great defense on Lebron down the stretch to help his team hold on to the lead.

steve3344 wrote:In that Memphis/Cleveland game that the Grizz just won, no one in the game for Memphis was drafted higher than 25th except for Vince Carter and he's freaking 39 years old.  

Cavs can take out their frustrations on Sacramento on Wednesday as they now start a four game road trip with their lead over Toronto in the division down to just two games in the loss column.

Got home after meeting with the TAX man last evening and in checking the games saw that this was close and in the 4th. Found it on the tube and watched till the end, had the Cleveland feed too. Now I know we have a homer in Heisohn but my gosh when James went the length of the court with 2 spin moves for a layup that gave the Cavs the lead with under a minute to go you would have thought Austin Carr was peeing his pants. ......... and after Chalmers put the Griz back up next possession the King tried to drive into the lane but got STUFFED for a jump ball against a much smaller TAllen (I think) regardless the Griz controlled the tip as a Griz went over the back of a Cav to tip it to a teammate. Certainly there was heavy contact but no foul was called and Carr went ballistic over the NON call. Now if it had happened to be James that was the victim of the "on the back" he probably would have had to been removed from the game due to injury and Carr would have given birth to something.

And the Cavs fans went home with frowns.

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