Sources - Boston Celtics president Danny Ainge to step down, Brad Stevens moving to front office play

RosalieTCeltics wrote:I have tried to say this many times.  Look at the pass the press and fans are giving the Lakers because of injuries.  Look at Miami, they got beat in four straight, little to no negative press about that, although that may be because Riley is keeping the lid closed. Hey, he may be the next one stepping down, who knows???

Laranaga comes from a basketball family, highly regarded.  Allen has relationships with the players, I remember him going home with IT after his sister died.  The players listen to him. It will be interesting to see what happens.  

The one thing I would like is for people to stop the negativity and give this a chance. All these conspiracy theories are crazy.  Why do people think they know what really happened when they know nothing.  Danny retired. he gave us 18 years of his life, and is going home. What he does next is his business.  He will always be a Celtic at heart.

NYCelt wrote:

RosalieTCeltics wrote:I have tried to say this many times.  Look at the pass the press and fans are giving the Lakers because of injuries.  Look at Miami, they got beat in four straight, little to no negative press about that, although that may be because Riley is keeping the lid closed. Hey, he may be the next one stepping down, who knows???

Laranaga comes from a basketball family, highly regarded.  Allen has relationships with the players, I remember him going home with IT after his sister died.  The players listen to him. It will be interesting to see what happens.  

The one thing I would like is for people to stop the negativity and give this a chance. All these conspiracy theories are crazy.  Why do people think they know what really happened when they know nothing.  Danny retired. he gave us 18 years of his life, and is going home. What he does next is his business.  He will always be a Celtic at heart.

The most common sense and on target post in this thread?

Yes. I believe so.

dboss wrote:I think the Celtics need to go completely outside of their organization and find a coach. That coach should have NBA head coaching experience already.  A former NBA player would in my way of thinking be another option although he would need to surround himself with an experienced and diverse coaching staff.

The players on this team do not need to be made to feel comfortable.  They are well paid employees and have an obligation to do their jobs and do them well.  And if their play is outside the lines they need a coach who is fair but also tough enough to set them on track.

If Boston looks to fill their coaching vacancy with one of the current assistants, it will complete the circle that is already looking like a good ole boy transition.

cowens/oldschool wrote:Two rules to follow

1) No more PF’s 6’5” or under

2) No more PG’s 6’0” tall and 29 or older

NYCelt wrote:

RosalieTCeltics wrote:I have tried to say this many times.  Look at the pass the press and fans are giving the Lakers because of injuries.  Look at Miami, they got beat in four straight, little to no negative press about that, although that may be because Riley is keeping the lid closed. Hey, he may be the next one stepping down, who knows???

Laranaga comes from a basketball family, highly regarded.  Allen has relationships with the players, I remember him going home with IT after his sister died.  The players listen to him. It will be interesting to see what happens.  

The one thing I would like is for people to stop the negativity and give this a chance. All these conspiracy theories are crazy.  Why do people think they know what really happened when they know nothing.  Danny retired. he gave us 18 years of his life, and is going home. What he does next is his business.  He will always be a Celtic at heart.

The most common sense and on target post in this thread?

Yes. I believe so.

bobheckler wrote:Larry Bird had a 3 year rule for coaches.  You were in for 3 years and that's it because after that, according to Larry, you got stale.  The players stopped listening, the opposing coaches figured out your schemes.  That's why Larry only coached the Pacers for 3 years before moving up into the front office (and what did he know about that job other than just being around it for a long time?)  IF Larry's axiom is true then Brad did a helluva job for at least 7 out of 8 years and, I for one, don't blame him much for this past year.  Some people don't want to put weight into COVID and injury-riddled explanations for why our season was a disappointment, but I choose to face the reality they present.  "If life gives you lemons, make lemonade".  That's all fine and good but the bottom line is you still can only have lemonade and not peach nectar.  You might make the best lemonade possible but if the consumer has an acute sweet tooth they're not going to be satisfied.  We had high expectations coming in and they weren't satisfied, but we didn't know about Kemba's knee not returning to 100%, losing Tatum, Thompson and Fournier to COVID and Jaylen Brown's season-ending injury back in October.  We could not have anticipated we'd be down 3 starters in the playoffs.  We also didn't know Harden was going to end up in Brooklyn with Kyrie and Durant.


Do we go with a respected veteran former player, like a Sam Cassell (3X World Champion, 2 with Houston and 1 with KG/Pierce/Allen in 2008; 12 years as an assistant coach but zero as a head coach), or an experienced head coach like Nate McMillan or Lloyd Pierce, or do they go with continuity by promoting either Larranagga or Allen?  The last two are known entities.  They are, from what I've heard, well liked and respected by the players and they know Brad's system and they know what kind of players will fit into it.  You can like Brad's system or not but he's the GM/President of Basketball Operations now so he has quite a bit of input into that.

The draft combine is in 3 weeks, the draft is in 7 weeks.  Our front office (i.e. Brad) will want his successor in place before then so he can have eyes and ears, and input, into those events (unless he goes with Larranagga or Allen.  Then they're already in and would be involved with those anyway).


Bob


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bobheckler wrote:Brad being interviewed.  He says he knew about this "for a couple of weeks".  So this was becoming very real before we even started the series against Brooklyn.





Bob


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atcross wrote:

dboss wrote:I think the Celtics need to go completely outside of their organization and find a coach. That coach should have NBA head coaching experience already.  A former NBA player would in my way of thinking be another option although he would need to surround himself with an experienced and diverse coaching staff.

The players on this team do not need to be made to feel comfortable.  They are well paid employees and have an obligation to do their jobs and do them well.  And if their play is outside the lines they need a coach who is fair but also tough enough to set them on track.

If Boston looks to fill their coaching vacancy with one of the current assistants, it will complete the circle that is already looking like a good ole boy transition.

The number of times I've seen managers who have been promoted bring in someone with a totally different style to replace them: 0

The number of times I've seen successful managers who ignore their workers' feelings, saying those workers get paid to do their jobs: 0  

RosalieTCeltics wrote:My friend, how are you???  Tired of the rhetoric yet????

gyso wrote:

RosalieTCeltics wrote:My friend, how are you???  Tired of the rhetoric yet????

Hi Rosalie, I'm doing fine, thanks.

LOL.  It seems like many have already thrown in the towel on next season.  They seem to be gathering up busses.  To throw our new coach and GM under.  It seems to be their favorite sport.  LOL.

To them I say . . .

Whatever!!!

dboss wrote:

atcross wrote:

dboss wrote:I think the Celtics need to go completely outside of their organization and find a coach. That coach should have NBA head coaching experience already.  A former NBA player would in my way of thinking be another option although he would need to surround himself with an experienced and diverse coaching staff.

The players on this team do not need to be made to feel comfortable.  They are well paid employees and have an obligation to do their jobs and do them well.  And if their play is outside the lines they need a coach who is fair but also tough enough to set them on track.

If Boston looks to fill their coaching vacancy with one of the current assistants, it will complete the circle that is already looking like a good ole boy transition.

The number of times I've seen managers who have been promoted bring in someone with a totally different style to replace them: 0

The number of times I've seen successful managers who ignore their workers' feelings, saying those workers get paid to do their jobs: 0  

Ok so you counted them up.  How many times was it?

You cannot interpret what I said by making up stuff.  Who said anything about ignoring workers' feelings.

dboss wrote:We could use a big physical playmaker at point guard.  There is nothing wrong with small PG as long as your team is not saturated with them, i.e.  the Celtics

bobheckler wrote:https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/06/03/danny-ainge-may-not-be-retired-reports-link-him-to-jazz-for-next-role/

MY NOTE:  I posted it so you all can read it and discuss it, but it seems to me like a lot of drivel by Kurt Helin (who's usually not bad, at least not this bad).  Utah has new management, a new front office and no reason to change.  So, what's the oomph behind this article?  He's friends with the Jazz' owner.  Well, yeah.  He was the GM of an NBA franchise for 18 years, he knows everybody in that world; owners, GMs, coaches and players.  Hell, I bet he knows the cheerleaders he's been around so long.  IF, however, he does go with another franchise then we'll know the "I've been thinking about this day since I had my heart attack" story was baloney.

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atcross wrote:

Yes, in 47 years of business consulting it was zero on both accounts.

 

RosalieTCeltics wrote:These conspiracy theories are getting ridiculous.  Face it, he decided to go, period.  Do I blame him, absolutely not.  I feel he looked like hell these last few months. It was weighing heavily on him.  Everyone moves on in this world, there are no lifer’s anymore.  Red was awesome for his time and theirs.  He was a brilliant basketball mind, to compare is crazy.  Let it go, it is over. Why does it matter?  I appreciate what Danny did in the time he was here. Look, we never would have had the experience of rooting for KG, watching that team win a title and give us a thrill.  

Time moves on, players come and go, and so do GM’s and President’s of Basketball operations.  Let’s just be happy that there was a time when we could not wait for the next game.  

I look forward with anxiety to next season. We have two of the most exciting players in the league on our team, and the foundation for a decent if not excellent team with some moves and great health.  Let it go. Let’s look forward to our new coach....whoever that may be.  

BaronV wrote:

atcross wrote:

Yes, in 47 years of business consulting it was zero on both accounts.  

 

Where at?  I'm 30 years in that field too.  Former partner at BearingPoint and Huron.  Have had my own company for the last 12 years.  

-V

BaronV wrote:

RosalieTCeltics wrote:These conspiracy theories are getting ridiculous.  Face it, he decided to go, period.  Do I blame him, absolutely not.  I feel he looked like hell these last few months. It was weighing heavily on him.  Everyone moves on in this world, there are no lifer’s anymore.  Red was awesome for his time and theirs.  He was a brilliant basketball mind, to compare is crazy.  Let it go, it is over. Why does it matter?  I appreciate what Danny did in the time he was here. Look, we never would have had the experience of rooting for KG, watching that team win a title and give us a thrill.  

Time moves on, players come and go, and so do GM’s and President’s of Basketball operations.  Let’s just be happy that there was a time when we could not wait for the next game.  

I look forward with anxiety to next season. We have two of the most exciting players in the league on our team, and the foundation for a decent if not excellent team with some moves and great health.  Let it go. Let’s look forward to our new coach....whoever that may be.  

I agree with Rosalie here.  People move on, especially people with serious health issues.  Sounds like this has been in the works for a while, not a last minute decision based on the team's playoff performance.  From what's been made public, Danny decided to retire earlier this year, convinced Brad to apply for the job, which you have to assume is because he thought he'd be good at it, and the owners picked Brad over other external candidates.  The team knew about this for at least a few weeks, but waited until after the season to announce it.  Remember that these guys work together all the time - it's not like Danny picked Brad based on his contract.  He's no longer involved in managing the budget, and it's not his money anyway.  He obviously saw something in Brad that said 'this is the guy that can finish what I started with this group of players.', and the owners obviously agreed with him.  

Likewise, in terms of Brad 'losing the team', there was no continuity this year between COVID, injuries, etc.  Once JB went down for the season, that was that.  Could they have played better?  Of course.  I remember reading they also had limited practice time this season due to the compressed schedule and COVID concerns, so that may be one reason that Brad couldn't pull another rabbit out of his hat to win despite the injuries.  And if there were players in the locker room whom he had lost, he knows who they are, and now that he's the GM, they should start packing their bags.  If their names aren't Jason, Jaylen, or Marcus, they're likely gone.  And it's a good bet that Brad knows what the missing pieces to this roster are better than anyone, and can do a good job of bringing in players that can fill those holes and give the next coach a good chance to improve the team's performance in the coming years.  

-V