Report: Cavs offer Wiggins & Bennett for Love

swish wrote:

sam wrote:I don't see how Love can be criticized for not making winners out of the Wolves singlehandedly.  Who was surrounding and coaching him?

Sam

Sam--Right on the money!

Many, many teams have had an elite player, but because of a weak supporting cast, have failed to contend for a championship.

swish

Contending for a championship doesn't necessarily = playoff berth. Each year, there are teams that get in the playoffs that have zero chance of winning it all. Kevin Love has yet to get into the playoffs.

I'm not saying Kevin Love is not a good player to have on a team, but I don't see him as the type of player that can impose a gravitational force on the game, as say Lebron or Durant can.

To my earliest point, I would just rather develop Wiggins, but that's my perspective.



KJ

KJ,

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what "impose a gravitational force on a team" means. Did Lebron ever impose his will to the extent of singlehandedly carrying his team to a championship? How many times has Kevin Durant imposed his will so strongly that the Thunder have won a championship?

Sorry, not buying this criticism of Love. Not that it really matters in Celticland because I guess the odds are stacked pretty highly against his landing in green.

Sam

sam wrote:KJ,

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what "impose a gravitational force on a team" means.  Did Lebron ever impose his will to the extent of singlehandedly carrying his team to a championship?  How many times has Kevin Durant imposed his will so strongly that the Thunder have won a championship?

Sorry, not buying this criticism of Love.  Not that it really matters in Celticland because I guess the odds are stacked pretty highly against his landing in green.

Sam

Sam,

I was posing my stance in reference to reaching playoffs. I wouldn't deem it fair to place a championship victory as the benchmark for this simply because so few teams have done it.

In regards to the likes of Lebron and Durant, sure, no one does it alone, but they are the primary engines behind their teams. Without Lebron, Cleveland doesn't beat Detroit to eventually face the Spurs the title in 2007. Kevin had help in Westbrook and Harden when OKC reached the finals, but I would still give KD the nod over Love in terms of his residual effect on his team is greater than that of Kevin Love.




KJ

KJ

My use of the word contender was perhaps a little too vague. I should have stated "serious contender", which to me generally only includes teams that make the playoffs while playing .600% ball or better.

swish

KJ,

My points would apply to making the playoffs just as much as to contending for a championship. As far as I'm concerned, it's all about the team; and assigning a particular degree of value or lack of value to an individual player is risky at best.

Sam

Wiggins, according to the reports, is signing with the Cavaliers. This means that IF a deal involving Wiggins happens it won't be for 30 days from his signature date.


bob


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I guess my post from the Onion about the Cavs trading Wiggins and Lebron for Love flew right over everyone's head. Or is it heads?

worcester wrote:I guess my post from the Onion about the Cavs trading Wiggins and Lebron for Love  flew right over everyone's head. Or is it heads?

W -

I had missed that; thanks for calling attention to it.

Classic Onion!  Fits right in with the current over-valuation and fascination around the league when it comes to Love.

It would be fun to sit and talk with some of the Onion writers.  I imagine it's quite the collection and combination of intellect and wry humor.

...and I think it's "head."

Regards

Speaking of heads, the Onion writers are all cheese heads as they come from Madison, WI.

Definitely "head."

Sam

worcester wrote:Speaking of heads, the Onion writers are all cheese heads as they come from Madison, WI.

Went to school in Wisconsin, pronounced "Wis-gahn-son" by long-time residents.

Madison is an especially wild trip, with some state capital office buildings sharing a peninsula with the hospital, state park land and the main university campus.

Managed to visit after a bowl game win.  I've still never again been to that big and widespread of a party, still can't believe some of the things I saw, and still can't remember exactly how I got back to my own campus the next day.

NYCelt wrote:

worcester wrote:Speaking of heads, the Onion writers are all cheese heads as they come from Madison, WI.

Went to school in Wisconsin, pronounced "Wis-gahn-son" by long-time residents.

Madison is an especially wild trip, with some state capital office buildings sharing a peninsula with the hospital, state park land and the main university campus.

Managed to visit after a bowl game win.  I've still never again been to that big and widespread of a party, still can't believe some of the things I saw, and still can't remember exactly how I got back to my own campus the next day.

NYCelt,

Like "Lun-GUY-lend".



bob



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bobheckler wrote:

NYCelt wrote:

worcester wrote:Speaking of heads, the Onion writers are all cheese heads as they come from Madison, WI.

Went to school in Wisconsin, pronounced "Wis-gahn-son" by long-time residents.

Madison is an especially wild trip, with some state capital office buildings sharing a peninsula with the hospital, state park land and the main university campus.

Managed to visit after a bowl game win.  I've still never again been to that big and widespread of a party, still can't believe some of the things I saw, and still can't remember exactly how I got back to my own campus the next day.

NYCelt,

Like "Lun-GUY-lend".



bob



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Exactly!