Re: Trade Rumor Thread

[bobheckler]

Bob  why on earth would we need to add another PG.

Dboss

dboss,

Because we only have one that's ready for prime time.


bob


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[bobheckler]

http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/1/27/10843912/Adrian-Wojnarowski-atlanta-hawks-boston-celtics-al-horford-vertical-podcast-nba-rumor



Woj: Hawks could "push the reset button" - Should the Celtics pursue Horford?



By Kevin O'Connor  @KevinOConnorNBA


on Jan 27, 2016, 1:06p 59




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Adrian Wojnarowski said on The Vertical Podcast that the Atlanta Hawks could "push the reset button" and All-Stars like Jeff Teague and Al Horford could be available closer to the trade deadline. With the Boston Celtics reportedly looking to make moves consolidating assets for an impact player, Horford seems like a player they could pursue.

"Danny Ainge is out on the hunt for a star, and trying to figure out what that means -- what a star is. One team that I think is really at a crossroads talking to teams is the Atlanta Hawks," Wojnarowski said, adding that the Hawks have tried to gauge the value of Teague. "Al Horford is a free agent this summer. They're not sure he's going to stay, whether they're going to keep him. There's a chance this Atlanta team pushes the reset button here at some point."

Horford will turn 30 this summer when he becomes an unrestricted free agent, so there is an element of risk for any team that has him on their roster after the deadline. But if the Hawks do ultimately decide to be sellers, the Celtics are in a position to react to the opportunity and pursue Horford, who would be a great fit because of his two-way ability.

Horford can hit threes at a competitive rate (career: 32.5%) and he's an excellent threat in the pick-and-roll. Playing Brad Stevens' pace-and-space brand of basketball would work well, since he's also a good ball handler and passer. Horford is a savvy defender that plays strong keep-in-front defense, and can block shots. The Celtics could also comfortably play small ball around Horford, much like they do with Amir Johnson.

Because of Horford's status as an upcoming free agent, it's possible the Hawks would demand less in a trade for him than the Cavaliers would for Kevin Love. Atlanta still might want too much, or decide to keep him, but it seems unreasonable for them to require the 2016 Brooklyn pick. They could instead replenish their own assets with one of Boston's young players and multiple future picks.

On the other hand, the Celtics could also hedge their bets and wait until the summer to make a play for Horford, if there's even any interest. However, considering the possibility of championship teams offering max contracts (like the Spurs with LaMarcus Aldridge), trying to acquire him now wouldn't be a bad idea.

Plus, adding Horford to an already strong Boston roster this season could put them in a position to make a strong push in the playoffs. That could set the Celtics up as a top destination for top players this summer who are available either in trades or free agency.

The Atlanta Hawks could obviously decide to keep their players and ride out this season to make a playoff run. But if there's even a remote possibility that Al Horford is available, the Boston Celtics should be on the prowl.



bob
MY NOTE:  I'd love Horford, if the price is right.  What's the right price?  Well, according to the NBA Trade Machine, Horford for Lee works.  OF COURSE there would have to be picks added to that.  As long as we're not talking Brooklyn picks, I'm ok with that.  My preference would be Boogie, but if Vlade Divac isn't even answering the phones...The nice thing about Horford is that he understands the Atlanta schemes which are based off of Pop's schemes and will therefore be similar to Brad's, since Brad is trying to go that way.  

The rumors are also out that Jeff Teague and Dennis Scroder are on the block too.  If they are moving an All-Star then why wouldn't Horford be on the block too?  The catch is Horford is in his last contract year.  Unless we're giving up a pick(s) that aren't going to be worth much (say, Dallas') then I'd want some assurances that Horford is open to re-signing here.

I'll say one more thing: We hear all kinds of rumors and they will be getting worse over the next 3 weeks, but Woj is in a class by himself. If he's saying the Hawks might blow it up then I'm inclined to think they might. I have no idea how Woj built up his sources around the league but they are pure gold. He was nailing who teams were going to pick in the draft before the Commish came out and announced them. Team after team after team, so it's not just a source in one or two.


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[wideclyde]

Bob,

I would almost think that Thomas would not worry one bit if the Cs were to add another point guard. He has very much looked good off the ball for the last couple of weeks and seems to like being able to attack the hoop from the side of the court.

I would think that Bradley for another ball handling guard would not be a terrible idea at this point with the Cs seemingly using their "small ball" line ups more and more. I have enjoyed Bradley, but his ball handling is still not good for a point guard sized guy and his scoring (although better lately) has been very inconsistent for most of his career. He may also become a distraction if he starts to whine about his salary.

[wideclyde]

Bob,

I would almost think that Thomas would not worry one bit if the Cs were to add another point guard.  He has very much looked good off the ball for the last couple of weeks and seems to like being able to attack the hoop from the side of the court.

I would think that Bradley for another ball handling guard who can also score some would not be a terrible idea at this point with the Cs seemingly using their "small ball" line ups more and more.  I have enjoyed Bradley, but his ball handling is still not good for a point guard sized guy and his scoring (although better lately) has been very inconsistent for most of his career.  He may also become a distraction if he starts to whine about his salary.

[tjmakz]

Horford might take Lee and Brooklyn's pick to get him.
No way would they trade him for a non-lottery pick.
I don't know if Atlanta completely tears the team down for draft picks.

I think if we are discussing trades or proposing trades, we should ask would and why would the other team make that trade. Often trade proposals come off as pretty one-sided.

I'm looking forward to seeing what teams will be buyers, sellers, or tankers...

[bobheckler]

Horford might take Lee and Brooklyn's pick to get him.
No way would they trade him for a non-lottery pick.
I don't know if Atlanta completely tears the team down for draft picks.

I think if we are discussing trades or proposing trades, we should ask would and why would the other team make that trade. Often trade proposals come off as pretty one-sided.

I'm looking forward to seeing what teams will be buyers, sellers, or tankers...

TJ,

If they think Horford is going to leave anyway, then they are in the same situation Danny was with Rondo. You get something but not as much as if they were under long term contract.


bob


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[kdp59]

Horford might take Lee and Brooklyn's pick to get him.
No way would they trade him for a non-lottery pick.
I don't know if Atlanta completely tears the team down for draft picks.

I think if we are discussing trades or proposing trades, we should ask would and why would the other team make that trade. Often trade proposals come off as pretty one-sided.

I'm looking forward to seeing what teams will be buyers, sellers, or tankers...

so is my David Lee and a second rounder (NOT Phillys) for Hibbert fair?

[tjmakz]

Horford might take Lee and Brooklyn's pick to get him.
No way would they trade him for a non-lottery pick.
I don't know if Atlanta completely tears the team down for draft picks.

I think if we are discussing trades or proposing trades, we should ask would and why would the other team make that trade. Often trade proposals come off as pretty one-sided.

I'm looking forward to seeing what teams will be buyers, sellers, or tankers...

so is my David Lee and a second rounder (NOT Phillys) for Hibbert fair?

Yes, that is fair.
Boston should have (5) 2nd round picks in the draft.
If LA can't get Philly's 2nd rounder, Boston's 2nd or 3rd pick in the 2nd round is preferred.
To get a pick in the 50's, I wouldn't bother making the trade.
I would hold out to see if there are better offers.

[bobheckler]

http://nypost.com/2016/01/27/knicks-try-their-luck-in-trade-talks-on-hawks-jeff-teague/



Knicks try their luck in trade talks on Hawks’ Jeff Teague
By Fred Kerber January 27, 2016 | 6:40pm



The Knicks and Hawks have conducted “very preliminary” trade talks concerning point guard Jeff Teague, league sources confirmed. However, a trade seems improbable.

The Knicks are one of several teams to contact Atlanta about the 27-year-old guard. Yahoo! Sports first reported the Hawks talking with multiple teams.

One source claimed there was “nothing to report at this stage” of the discussions between the Knicks and Hawks.

“It makes sense for the Knicks, but what do they have to offer?” one opposing executive said. “Teague is a good player under control for a low figure [$8 million] next year and then he’ll enter the richest free-agency period ever.”

One important question for the Hawks, who currently are seeded third in the East, is whether they are ready to hand over the team to 22-year-old, third-season guard Dennis Schroder, who recently sat two games as a DNP (did not play)- coach’s decision.


bob
MY NOTE: Keep in mind this is coming from the NY media circus, the same idiots who thought Danny would trade Rondo to the Knicks for a box of Krispy Kremes


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[wideclyde]

Bob,

I understand your point about the NY press, but at the end of Rondo's time in Boston I was so upset with him that I may have actually accepted the box of donuts that you mentioned.

[dboss]

When I consider team needs, PG is not a high priority.  Our all star PG IT along with Marcus Smart do not leave room on the roster for another PG to become part of the rotation.

As we contemplate who stays and who goes my top 6 keepers include AB, MS and JC because they are the best defensive threesome on any team in the NBA and if you break that up then the defense will not be as good.

IT provide pace to the offense and has that rare you can't stop me attitude that every so called good team needs.

Next I am not trading KO because he is a perfect fit for the offense and other players on the team more than makeup for whatever he is lacking on defense. Last but not least I am keeping AJ.

Sully is not on my list of keepers mainly because of my concerns about his long term ability to control his weight.  His knees and back are an ongoing concern.

Evan Turner is very much expendable because he is a very poor outside shooter and wings must be productive outside shooters.

Jonas, Lee, Zeller, Young and all 3 rookies are on the fringe.  Mickey has not had a chance to disappoint but the rest of them look to be Players that can be part of some trades.

The key for the Celtics is to not break up the solid core that has carried the team all year.  Sooner or later Boston will add 2 to 3 players to the mix that provide the skills to take us to the next level.

Dboss

[kdp59]

well IF the Hawks are looking to shake things up on their roster , why not go for BOTH Teague and Horford?

Horford ($12m), Teague ( $8M) and Sefolosha ($4M)

for
Amir ($12M), Bradley ($7.7M) , Jerebko ( $5M) , Dallas first this year and that Timberwolves first (which is actually TWO seconds rounder's) .

The Hawks get the Off guard they've needed for a while now and Amir and Jerekbo under their control for this year and next.

Celtics get the players to make a push THIS year to be the second best team in the east.

Teague and Sefolosha are both under contract next year also.

Projected rotation:
C- Horford
PF- Sully
SF- Crowder
SG- Smart
PG- Thomas or Teague
6. Teague or Thomas
7. Kelly O.
8. Turner
9. Sefolosha
10. Zeller

How is that not  a team that could be playing the Cav's in the East finals this year?

Danny of course may have to sweeten the pot with an additional draft pick in the future.

in the offseason, we'd have :

Horford as an UFA and due a max salary
Turner as an UFA
Sully as a RFA
Zeller as a RFA

Lee gone for sure from the roster

Still TWO first round picks and Philly's pick at the top of the second round  (unless it goes to the Hawks).

a total salary on the books of only about $38M after renouncing Lee. Horford wil be due $25M more as a Max player. leaving us $26M UNDER the cap not counting the holds for FA's and the Rookies (about $4-5M depending on the Nets pick). More than enough money to resign any of Turner, Sully and Zeller if they want OR to go after an even bigger fish.


IF somehow Danny could pull something like this off, it would go down as his second BIG trade/deal.

[NYCelt]

kdp,

OK, you're hired.

We'll have Danny clear his things out of the office this afternoon.

Regards

[worcester]

DBoss, you can be my GM when I buy the Celts. Great analysis of when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.

[kdp59]

I am MORE than happy to have Danny get all the credit and praise, when he pulls it off.

[tjmakz]

well IF the Hawks are looking to shake things up on their roster , why not go for BOTH Teague and Horford?

Horford ($12m), Teague ( $8M) and Sefolosha ($4M)

for
Amir ($12M), Bradley ($7.7M) , Jerebko ( $5M) , Dallas first this year and that Timberwolves first (which is actually TWO seconds rounder's) .

The Hawks get the Off guard they've needed for a while now and Amir and Jerekbo under their control for this year and next.

Celtics get the players to make a push THIS year to be the second best team in the east.

Teague and Sefolosha are both under contract next year also.

Projected rotation:
C- Horford
PF- Sully
SF- Crowder
SG- Smart
PG- Thomas or Teague
6. Teague or Thomas
7. Kelly O.
8. Turner
9. Sefolosha
10. Zeller

How is that not  a team that could be playing the Cav's in the East finals this year?

Danny of course may have to sweeten the pot with an additional draft pick in the future.

in the offseason, we'd have :

Horford as an UFA and due a max salary
Turner as an UFA
Sully as a RFA
Zeller as a RFA

Lee gone for sure from the roster

Still TWO first round picks and Philly's pick at the top of the second round  (unless it goes to the Hawks).

a total salary on the books of only about $38M after renouncing Lee. Horford wil be due $25M more as a Max player. leaving us $26M UNDER the cap not counting the holds for FA's and the Rookies (about $4-5M depending on the Nets pick). More than enough money to resign any of Turner, Sully and Zeller if they want OR to go after an even bigger fish.


IF somehow Danny could pull something like this off, it would go down as his second BIG trade/deal.

kdp,

Do you think Atlanta would make a trade like this?

I think Gallinari is the shooter Boston needs to go all in for.
It will take Brooklyn's 1st round pick plus other assets, but he's a legit scorer and shooter if he's healthy.
Since he's 6'10", he can play SF or PF.

[bobheckler]

well IF the Hawks are looking to shake things up on their roster , why not go for BOTH Teague and Horford?

Horford ($12m), Teague ( $8M) and Sefolosha ($4M)

for
Amir ($12M), Bradley ($7.7M) , Jerebko ( $5M) , Dallas first this year and that Timberwolves first (which is actually TWO seconds rounder's) .

The Hawks get the Off guard they've needed for a while now and Amir and Jerekbo under their control for this year and next.

Celtics get the players to make a push THIS year to be the second best team in the east.

Teague and Sefolosha are both under contract next year also.

Projected rotation:
C- Horford
PF- Sully
SF- Crowder
SG- Smart
PG- Thomas or Teague
6. Teague or Thomas
7. Kelly O.
8. Turner
9. Sefolosha
10. Zeller

How is that not  a team that could be playing the Cav's in the East finals this year?

Danny of course may have to sweeten the pot with an additional draft pick in the future.

in the offseason, we'd have :

Horford as an UFA and due a max salary
Turner as an UFA
Sully as a RFA
Zeller as a RFA

Lee gone for sure from the roster

Still TWO first round picks and Philly's pick at the top of the second round  (unless it goes to the Hawks).

a total salary on the books of only about $38M after renouncing Lee. Horford wil be due $25M more as a Max player. leaving us $26M UNDER the cap not counting the holds for FA's and the Rookies (about $4-5M depending on the Nets pick). More than enough money to resign any of Turner, Sully and Zeller if they want OR to go after an even bigger fish.


IF somehow Danny could pull something like this off, it would go down as his second BIG trade/deal.

kdp,

Do you think Atlanta would make a trade like this?

I think Gallinari is the shooter Boston needs to go all in for.
It will take Brooklyn's 1st round pick plus other assets, but he's a legit scorer and shooter if he's healthy.
Since he's 6'10", he can play SF or PF.

kdp and TJ,

The general rule of thumb when it comes to NBA trades is "whomever got the best player in the trade, won".  It's not always true and sometimes players are better/worse in different systems (e.g.  Jae Crowder has turned into a helluva player, which he wasn't in Dallas, while Rondo practically got run out of Big D on a rail) but it's a working theory.  So, who got the best end of this deal?

Horford + Sefelosha (who has not been mentioned in trade rumors) + Jeff Teague for Amir + Bradley + Jerebko + a mid-first round pick (Dallas') and two second round picks.

Horford is a legit NBA center, Amir isn't.  Furthermore, trading Horford leaves them with Splitter as their starting center.  Jeff Teague is an all-star, Bradley isn't.  Sefelosha is a starter, Jerebko isn't.  So, it looks lop-sided in favor of Boston.  Having said that, the reason why Horford is being talked about being moved is because he is in his contract year and hasn't committed to staying in Atlanta.  Atlanta might move him rather than lose him for nothing as the salary cap explodes and teams can sign him without needing a sign-and-trade.  The rumors are that Dennis Scroder is on the block too.  Why the Hawks would dangle Teague AND Scroder is not something I understand.  Maybe they're just doing a heat check and will pull the trigger on whichever offer is better, but not both.

I'm not thrilled with the prospect of trading Bradley but I'd do it for this trade.  If it happens it will come closer to the deadline as Atlanta management and ownership continue to pester Horford's agent on his intentions and expectations.

I'm ok if Sefelosha isn't included as well.  Good defender but, at almost 32 years old, not what we want for this team.

Contract-wise Horford is an UFA after this year and Teague and Sefelosha have 1 more year on both of their contracts.

Gallinari is a shooter. Gallinari isn't a defender. Gallinari is in the last year of his contract too.


bob



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[bobheckler]

Maybe TJ's onto something...


Orazio Cauchi: With the trade deadline incoming, one of the targets for the Boston Celtics is Danilo Gallinari, per source. Ainge is high on him. 5 hours ago – via Twitter paxer89



bob


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[kdp59]

I think it might be a fair deal for them for two reasons.

1) they feel there is a good chance that Hordfor will NOT resign with them.

2) they feel they have peaked with the current roster.

since it has been rumoured they are already taking calls for Teague, I think both of the above may very weell be true.


look at it this way

Teague for Bradley is a pretty fair trade for the hawks. they get an off guard who is an all -defensive type player and who is on a market friendly deal for an additional year over teague. ( of course this assumes they feel Schroeder(sp) is ready for the PG roll).

Horford for Amir and Dallas first rounder this year( and one of the Timberwolves seconds). Again only IF they think they will lose Hordford as an UFA this off-season. he will be 30YO and may also feel the team has peaked and may want to sign elsewhere. Lots of Ifs no doubt.

Sefolosha for Jerebko and the other T-wpvles second rounder. sounds about right for them.

The hawks get the option to keep Amir and/or Jerebko next year or move on with thier non-guaranteed deals.

Hawks would have about $55M in salary next year if they release both players or around $72M if they keep them. Allowing them to still be a player for a mid-level FA

IF they keep Horford and give gim the max next year, they will be at about $83M in salary not counting any draft picks. wiuth as little as $6M under the cap, they would be stuck with the current roster pretty much.

We take the risk that Horford sings elsewhere, in this trade and Danny gives up some of his draft pick stockpile for that risk.

but liek I said it MIGHT take an additioanl first round kicker ( maybe our own pick in 2018 I would suggest) to move the needle.

So I guess a lot depends on where the Hawks see their team right now.

[tjmakz]

Bob,

Very good points.
Atlanta wouldn't make that trade with Boston.

Gallinari has two years left after this season.
The 2017-18 season is a player option.

[kdp59]

Maybe TJ's onto something...


Orazio Cauchi: With the trade deadline incoming, one of the targets for the Boston Celtics is Danilo Gallinari, per source. Ainge is high on him. 5 hours ago – via Twitter paxer89



bob


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I don't care for Gallinari myself. I see him as an older Kelly who plays LESS defense.

Or as a Kevin Love who can't rebound.

[bobheckler]

Bob,

Very good points.
Atlanta wouldn't make that trade with Boston.

Gallinari has two years left after this season.
The 2017-18 season is a player option.

TJ,

According to Hoopshype, this is the last year of Gallinari's contract. There is no number after 2015-2016 of any kind. What source are you using?


http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver_nuggets/


And Atlanta MIGHT make that trade, or a subset of it, if they thought Horford was going to walk at the end of the year.


bob


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[bobheckler]

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4273/trade-buzz-grows-as-deadline-sits-three-weeks-away



Trade buzz grows as Feb. 18 deadline nears




Will Sacramento's Rudy Gay be headed to his fourth NBA team before the trade deadline? Rocky Widner/NBAE/Getty Images


9:14 AM ET


Marc Stein
ESPN Senior Writer



February is almost here. The NBA's annual trade deadline is less than three weeks away.

Perfect timing, in other words, for an assemblage of the latest chatter from the personnel grapevine, culled from a number of well-placed insiders (executives, coaches, agents and players) around the league.

To the trade buzz ...

• The Chicago Bulls' frontcourt logjam has been unjammed by injuries.

First Joakim Noah was lost to a potentially season-ending shoulder separation. Now Nikola Mirotic is out until after the All-Star break thanks to emergency surgery this week to remove his appendix.

Those injuries, sources say, have greatly increased the likelihood that Taj Gibson will be staying put now, since Chicago suddenly doesn't need to make a trade to create more playing time for promising rookie Bobby Portis.

The reality is that rival executives have maintained for some time that the Bulls preferred to deal Noah, in the name of making sure they got something for their longtime emotional spark in the final year of his contract, rather than parting with Gibson.

As for Pau Gasol, sources say that the Bulls, as we speak, hope to re-sign their Gasol brother this offseason when Pau joins Noah in free agency. Questions about how Gasol fits in Fred Hoiberg's offense have occasionally made the rounds lately because of the Bulls' up-and-down play in Year 1 under Hoiberg, but he also happens to be the first player in league history at age 35 (or older) to be averaging at least 16 points, 10 boards, 3 assists and 2 blocks.

Gasol, of course, missed a starting spot in the All-Star Game by the infinitesimal margin of 360 votes ... and ranks as the biggest snub in the East after the reserves were announced Thursday night.

• The Detroit Pistons, as our own Zach Lowe noted in a recent podcast, are huge fans of Pelicans forward Ryan Anderson.

Which should come as a complete non-surprise when you remember that Pistons coach/team president Stan Van Gundy so successfully unleashed Anderson as a stretch four in Orlando flanking Dwight Howard.

So why don't the Pistons make a run at Anderson before the Feb. 18 trade deadline?

Sources say they're waiting for free agency, when they'll have a clear path to pursue an SVG/Anderson reunion without surrendering any of their current assets.

• The Sacramento Kings are indeed willing to trade Rudy Gay, sources say, after fairly frequent speculation on that topic in recent weeks.

However ...

It's conditional willingness.

Sacramento is said to be seeking a quality young player in return if it parts with Gay. Or a player they like with at least one year left on his contract after this season, which would give the Kings some insulation against trading for someone in February who turns around and leaves town in July. (Gay, 29, is scheduled to earn $13.3 million from the Kings next season before he's forced to decide on a $14.3 million player option in 2017-18).

In short: Sacramento isn't outright trying to move Gay but would be willing to do so in the proverbial "right deal."

Sacramento, for example, rejected New Orleans' recent offer of Eric Gordon and Alonzo Gee for Gay before Gordon suffered a fractured finger that will keep him out until after the deadline. They don't want to move him just for the sake of it.

• Much like the Atlanta Hawks are doing with point guards Jeff Teague and Dennis Schroder, Memphis is doing the same with free agents-to-be Jeff Green and Courtney Lee.

Which is to say: not flat-out shopping them, but taking the temperature of the market for both players, since that's what you're supposed to do with players like Green and Lee who can leave Memphis without compensation in a matter of months.

What the Grizzlies aren't looking to do, sources say, is break up what they like to call Mount Grizzmore. All of the latest signals suggest they have no interest in parting with either Zach Randolph or Tony Allen before the deadline, planning instead to keep them right where they are alongside fellow locals legends Marc Gasol and Mike Conley, despite the calls in various corners for Memphis to launch into a more aggressive overhaul around Big Spain and its gritty little point guard.

• Most rival executives believe it remains a matter of when, not if, Phoenix trades disgruntled swingman Markieff Morris. The Suns, though, stubbornly continue to hold out for stronger offers, which might not be forthcoming given the relatively dim view leaguewide about Morris' stock at the moment, stemming not only from the tension he has caused in the desert dating to last summer but also the uncertainty of Morris' potential legal trouble stemming from a felony aggravated assault charge levied in the spring of 2015. ... Minnesota's Kevin Martin likewise remains high on the list of players most likely to be traded, but the Wolves continue to seek more than a mere salary dump for the 32-year-old proven scorer. ... Denver is making no secret of veteran forward JJ Hickson's availability. Ditto for the Los Angeles Lakers and a number of veterans on their roster: Roy Hibbert, Brandon Bass, Nick Young and Lou Williams. We should note, however, that Hibbert possesses the only expiring contract in that quartet. Bass holds a $3.1 million player option for next season. ... Boston has been quietly aggressive, with its well-chronicled array of assets, in search of the splashy move we all know Danny Ainge would love to make. But with Sacramento thoroughly unwilling to entertain offers for DeMarcus Cousins, and Cavaliers general manager David Griffin likewise emphatically shooting down the notion of making Kevin Love available earlier this week, there isn't a starry trade target for Ainge to chase. At least not yet.

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THE LIST

The Warriors have gone a full calendar year without losing a game at Oracle Arena in the regular season.

Golden State's last home defeat was inflicted by the Chicago Bulls -- in overtime -- on Jan. 27, 2015.

How long ago really was it?

Consider:

• It occurred five days before New England and Seattle met in Super Bowl XLIX.

• LeBron James' Cleveland Cavaliers, at the time, were fifth in the East with a record of 26-20.

• Kentucky was 19-0 in college basketball en route to a 38-0 start.

• Jordan Spieth was only the world's ninth-ranked golfer.

As for the 40 wins since that defeat ...

• Only twice in those 40 games -- April 2 vs. Phoenix and Nov. 14 vs. Brooklyn -- have the Warriors trailed in the final minute of the fourth quarter.

• The Warriors have trailed in the fourth quarter only nine times in those 40 games.

• Steph Curry has managed to sit out the entire fourth quarter in 14 of those 40 wins.


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[kdp59]

Bob,

while Teague (and Korver i think) both made the all-star game last season, neither are really all-star players, IMO.

The Hawks hit thier peak last year (IMO) and maybe the Staff know it, paying Horford max money starting next year will leave him tight for additional help.

They left Carroll walk last year becasue they didn't wnat to pay the $14M per or didn't want him (a mistake it appears now).

strike when the other team is selling I say.


I would even CONSIDER using the Nets pick this year IF:

1) it has top 3 protecion ( i have said before I see this draft as haing only three possibly elite NBA players)
2) we had assurances that Horford will resign if offered a max deal here.


Oh yeah, Sefolosha is a solid defensive player, alwasy nice to have on your deep bench

[tjmakz]

Bob,

Very good points.
Atlanta wouldn't make that trade with Boston.

Gallinari has two years left after this season.
The 2017-18 season is a player option.

TJ,

According to Hoopshype, this is the last year of Gallinari's contract.  There is no number after 2015-2016 of any kind.  What source are you using?


http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver_nuggets/


And Atlanta MIGHT make that trade, or a subset of it, if they thought Horford was going to walk at the end of the year.


bob


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Bob,

Hoopshype is terrible about updating the salary numbers.
I use www.basketballinsiders.com
www.realgm.com is another good one.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/denver-nuggets-team-salary/

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_28584033/danilo-gallinari-was-surprised-by-contract-extension-offer

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