Post Game Thread - vs Portland Trailblazers, Vegas Summer League Game 5

[bobheckler]

http://www.nba.com/games/20160715/PORBOS/gameinfo.html



Rozier, Young and Hunter were all Coaches - DNP

Brown with a hot 5-7 first half and then an excruciating 2-14 in the 2nd. 5 steals, 21 points but INefficient.

Nader wants an invite to camp. He should get one. 16 points on 6-11 and 3-4 from 3. A strong driver. A very good summer league for Abdel Nader. If he can continue to shoot like this...

Mickey with some good, some not so good. A better 2nd half. 12 points and 13 boards. They say 0 blocks but that's BS. He had at least 2 or 3 off the top of my head.

Yabusele ran the floor, made some good plays. 12 points on 6-10. He has a nice outside shot. Holds the ball high over his head on the release.

10 assists total for the Celtics. NOT good.

Everybody else can go buh-bye. And that includes Young, who didn't play today.



Pat Connaughton with 23 points on 8-18 but 3-10 from 3. He heated up but his defense isn't NBA-ready. He has a contract with the Baltimore Orioles. I'd say "take it".

Pierre Jackson is good. He's coming back from tearing his Achilles but he looked quite good today.


That's it for basketball for a while, but don't take your eyes off of Danny. There's something cooking. I don't know when or what, but I can feel something bubbling just under the surface.


bob


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[jrleftfoot]

http://www.nba.com/games/20160715/PORBOS/gameinfo.html



Rozier, Young and Hunter were all Coaches - DNP

Brown with a hot 5-7 first half and then an excruciating 2-14 in the 2nd.  5 steals, 21 points but INefficient.  

Nader wants an invite to camp.  He should get one.  16 points on 6-11 and 3-4 from 3.  A strong driver.  A very good summer league for Abdel Nader.  If he can continue to shoot like this...

Mickey with some good, some not so good.  A better 2nd half.  12 points and 13 boards.  They say 0 blocks but that's BS.  He had at least 2 or 3 off the top of my head.

Yabusele ran the floor, made some good plays.  12 points on 6-10.  He has a nice outside shot.  Holds the ball high over his head on the release.

10 assists total for the Celtics.  NOT good.

Everybody else can go buh-bye.  And that includes Young, who didn't play today.



Pat Connaughton with 23 points on 8-18 but 3-10 from 3.  He heated up but his defense isn't NBA-ready.  He has a contract with the Baltimore Orioles.  I'd say "take it".

Pierre Jackson is good.  He's coming back from tearing his Achilles but he looked quite good today.


That's it for basketball for a while, but don't take your eyes off of Danny.  There's something cooking.  I don't know when or what, but I can feel something bubbling just under the surface.


bob
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James Young (knee) didn't play, after only 7 minutes Wednesday. Coach Jamie Young on why: "I really wasn’t happy with the way he played."
6:11 PM - 15 Jul 2016 from Reno, NV



Adam Himmelsbach
Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach yesterday
Per source, Guerschon Yabusele's status will depend on whether Celtics open roster spots w/a trade. If no trade, he's going overseas.

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Marc D'Amico
@celtics yesterday
Jaylen Brown says he learned quickly this week that no one can jump as high as he can, which gave him confidence in finishing at the rim.

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Brian Robb
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Silver lining for Celtics in Vegas? Jaylen Brown's numbers over last 3 games: 22 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 3.7 spg, 39.5 FG%.

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Adam Himmelsbach
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Jaylen Brown converts a tough and-1 inside. Fan yells to Ainge in front row: "Loving the pick, Danny!"

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[kdp59]

pepto bismol

for that bubbling feeling you have Bob.

[bobheckler]

bob



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[international]

Inefficient?With 5 steals and a great defense and over 20 points ,his stats in the las 3 games are 22 points,8.7 rebounds and 3.7 steals and call him inefficient?How can you describe Brandon Ingrams games of 13-3 with one rebound and 11-1 with 5-0 from the 3 points line.?Thats the part I don't understand of the majority of the Celtics fans,that kind of negativity.

[bobheckler]

Inefficient?With 5 steals and a great defense and over 20 points ,his stats in the las 3 games are 22 points,8.7 rebounds and 3.7 steals and call him inefficient?How can you describe Brandon Ingrams games of 13-3 with one rebound and 11-1 with 5-0 from the 3 points line.?Thats the part I don't understand of the majority of the Celtics fans,that kind of negativity.

International,

Jaylen Brown shot 30.7% in summer league, 32.7% in Vegas.  That is inefficient.

Jaylen Brown shot 4-19 for 21% from 3 in Vegas.  That is inefficient.

Jaylen Brown was 72.7% from the line in Vegas.  That's ok, but not great for a player who lives at the line.  He was 11-17 in his only Utah game.  That's 64.7%.  That is very inefficient.  Put them all together and he was 70.4% from the line in both summer leagues.  That's not that great.

Jaylen Brown had 8 assists and 13 turnovers in both leagues.  I realize "ball handler" isn't his primary job, but that is not a good assist-to-TO ratio.

I'm not saying he didn't do other things well.  He had a lot of steals, 14.  It is unusual for a player to have more steals than either assists or turnovers.  He rebounded well for his size, 37 in 175 total minutes.  That's 7.6 rebounds/36mpg which is pretty good for a SF (better than Jeff Green!).  He does things well, and he's just 19 and laced up NBA sneakers for the first time, but that doesn't mean he didn't have weaknesses.


And I wouldn't call Brandon Ingram's summer league play very efficient neither, especially not for a #2 pick.  Jaylen Brown was #3.  Buddy Hield, one of the top shooters in this draft, shot 33.8%.  It isn't unreasonable to note that Buddy Hield is underperforming in the area where he is supposed to be the strongest.  Well, if Jaylen Brown's strength is getting to the line, then shouldn't it be noted when he doesn't make them pay for sending him there as efficiently as he should be?  It is noteworth when Abdel Nader, the #58 pick, looks like he should get a shot at a camp invite because he looks good.  When one of the top college players, and a lock to make the team, has weaknesses that is noteworthy too.  Even if Nader makes the team he might not get many, if any, minutes.  Brown will make the team and will get minutes, probably solid rotation minutes.  His weaknesses will become more glaring precisely because he will be getting the court time.

I'm not particularly down on Brown.  He has a nice stroke, his mechanics look good, they just aren't going down.  Eventually, they will.  The game will slow down for him and when it does he will still have his athleticism to do what his brain is telling him to do.  My opinion is just a snapshot of summer league play, not a prediction of the rest of his career.

James Young's summer league play, however, yeah, I think I can make a prediction for the rest of his career.



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[bobheckler]

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[international]

Bob.
The problem is ,that you cant judge a player performance only with the field goals %,there is a lot more in a basketball player than offensive %.And in this case you have to realize that he was playing with point guards like Demetrius Jackson and Marcus Thorton who are awful passing the ball and are as selfish as can get.Even Terry Rozier who played very good only averaged 2 assists per game.Take a look at Michaels Jordan 3 points % and give your opinion if he was a good shooter.% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
84-85 CHI 82 82 38.3 .515 .173 .845 2.00 4.50 6.50 5.9 2.39 .84 3.55 3.50 28.2
85-86 CHI 18 7 25.1 .457 .167 .840 1.30 2.30 3.60 2.9 2.06 1.17 2.50 2.60 22.7
86-87 CHI 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.00 3.20 5.20 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.90 37.1
87-88 CHI 82 82 40.4 .535 .132 .841 1.70 3.80 5.50 5.9 3.16 1.60 3.07 3.30 35.0
88-89 CHI 81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.80 6.20 8.00 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.00 32.5
89-90 CHI 82 82 39.0 .526 .376 .848 1.70 5.10 6.90 6.3 2.77 .66 3.01 2.90 33.6
90-91 CHI 82 82 37.0 .539 .312 .851 1.40 4.60 6.00 5.5 2.72 1.01 2.46 2.80 31.5
91-92 CHI 80 80 38.8 .519 .270 .832 1.10 5.30 6.40 6.1 2.28 .94 2.50 2.50 30.1
92-93 CHI 78 78 39.3 .495 .352 .837 1.70 5.00 6.70 5.5 2.83 .78 2.65 2.40 32.6
94-95 CHI 17 17 39.3 .411 .500 .801 1.50 5.40 6.90 5.3 1.76 .76 2.06 2.80 26.9
95-96 CHI 82 82 37.7 .495 .427 .834 1.80 4.80 6.60 4.3 2.20 .51 2.40 2.40 30.4
96-97 CHI 82 82 37.9 .486 .374 .833 1.40 4.50 5.90 4.3 1.71 .54 2.02 1.90 29.6
97-98 CHI 82 82 38.8 .465 .238 .784 1.60 4.20 5.80 3.5 1.72 .55 2.26 1.80 28.7
01-02 WAS 60 53 34.9 .416 .189 .790 .80 4.80 5.70 5.2 1.42 .43 2.70 2.00 22.9
02-03 WAS 82 67 37.0 .445 .291 .821 .90 5.20 6.10 3.8 1.50 .48 2.11 2.10 20.0
CAREER 1,072 1,039 38.3 .497 .327 .835 1.60 4.70 6.20 5.3 2.35 .83 2.73 2.60 30.1
Playoff 179 179 41.8 .487 .332 .828 1.70 4.70 6.40 5.7 2.10 .88 3.05 3.00 33.4
All-Star 13 13 29.4 .472 .273

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[bobheckler]

Bob.
The problem is ,that you cant judge a player performance only with the field goals %,there is a lot more in a basketball player than offensive %.And in this case you have to realize that he was playing with point guards like Demetrius Jackson and Marcus Thorton who are awful passing the ball and are as selfish as can get.Even Terry Rozier who played very good only averaged 2 assists per game.Take a look at Michaels Jordan 3 points % and give your opinion if he was a good shooter.%  FT%  OFF  DEF  RPG  APG  SPG  BPG  TO  PF  PPG
84-85 CHI 82 82 38.3 .515 .173 .845 2.00 4.50 6.50 5.9 2.39 .84 3.55 3.50 28.2
85-86 CHI 18 7 25.1 .457 .167 .840 1.30 2.30 3.60 2.9 2.06 1.17 2.50 2.60 22.7
86-87 CHI 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.00 3.20 5.20 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.90 37.1
87-88 CHI 82 82 40.4 .535 .132 .841 1.70 3.80 5.50 5.9 3.16 1.60 3.07 3.30 35.0
88-89 CHI 81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.80 6.20 8.00 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.00 32.5
89-90 CHI 82 82 39.0 .526 .376 .848 1.70 5.10 6.90 6.3 2.77 .66 3.01 2.90 33.6
90-91 CHI 82 82 37.0 .539 .312 .851 1.40 4.60 6.00 5.5 2.72 1.01 2.46 2.80 31.5
91-92 CHI 80 80 38.8 .519 .270 .832 1.10 5.30 6.40 6.1 2.28 .94 2.50 2.50 30.1
92-93 CHI 78 78 39.3 .495 .352 .837 1.70 5.00 6.70 5.5 2.83 .78 2.65 2.40 32.6
94-95 CHI 17 17 39.3 .411 .500 .801 1.50 5.40 6.90 5.3 1.76 .76 2.06 2.80 26.9
95-96 CHI 82 82 37.7 .495 .427 .834 1.80 4.80 6.60 4.3 2.20 .51 2.40 2.40 30.4
96-97 CHI 82 82 37.9 .486 .374 .833 1.40 4.50 5.90 4.3 1.71 .54 2.02 1.90 29.6
97-98 CHI 82 82 38.8 .465 .238 .784 1.60 4.20 5.80 3.5 1.72 .55 2.26 1.80 28.7
01-02 WAS 60 53 34.9 .416 .189 .790 .80 4.80 5.70 5.2 1.42 .43 2.70 2.00 22.9
02-03 WAS 82 67 37.0 .445 .291 .821 .90 5.20 6.10 3.8 1.50 .48 2.11 2.10 20.0
CAREER   1,072  1,039  38.3  .497  .327  .835  1.60  4.70  6.20  5.3  2.35  .83  2.73  2.60  30.1
Playoff  179 179 41.8 .487 .332 .828 1.70 4.70 6.40 5.7 2.10 .88 3.05 3.00 33.4
All-Star  13 13 29.4 .472 .273

International,

Had a little trouble reading this, so I've cleaned it up to make it easier for me.  Hope I didn't screw it up.


Year.....Team...games...GS...MPG...FG%...3ptFG%...FT%...OFF  DEF  RPG  APG  SPG  BPG  TO  PF  PPG
84-85--CHI----82-------82---38.3---.515---.173------.845....2.00 4.50 6.50 5.9 2.39 .84 3.55 3.50 28.2
85-86--CHI----18-------7----25.1---.457---.167------.840....1.30 2.30 3.60 2.9 2.06 1.17 2.50 2.60 22.7
86-87--CHI----82-------82---40.0---.482---.182------.857....2.00 3.20 5.20 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.90 37.1
87-88--CHI----82-------82---40.4---.535---.132------.841....1.70 3.80 5.50 5.9 3.16 1.60 3.07 3.30 35.0
88-89--CHI----81-------81---40.2---.538---.276------.850....1.80 6.20 8.00 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.00 32.5
89-90--CHI----82-------82---39.0---.526---.376------.848....1.70 5.10 6.90 6.3 2.77 .66 3.01 2.90 33.6
90-91--CHI----82-------82---37.0---.539---.312------.851....1.40 4.60 6.00 5.5 2.72 1.01 2.46 2.80 31.5
91-92--CHI----80-------80---38.8---.519---.270------.832....1.10 5.30 6.40 6.1 2.28 .94 2.50 2.50 30.1
92-93--CHI----78-------78---39.3---.495---.352------.837....1.70 5.00 6.70 5.5 2.83 .78 2.65 2.40 32.6
94-95--CHI----17-------17---39.3---.411---.500------.801....1.50 5.40 6.90 5.3 1.76 .76 2.06 2.80 26.9
95-96--CHI----82-------82---37.7---.495---.427------.834....1.80 4.80 6.60 4.3 2.20 .51 2.40 2.40 30.4
96-97--CHI----82-------82---37.9---.486---.374------.833....1.40 4.50 5.90 4.3 1.71 .54 2.02 1.90 29.6
97-98--CHI----82-------82---38.8---.465---.238------.784....1.60 4.20 5.80 3.5 1.72 .55 2.26 1.80 28.7
01-02--WAS---60-------53---34.9---.416---.189------.790 ....80 4.80 5.70 5.2 1.42 .43 2.70 2.00 22.9
02-03--WAS---82-------67---37.0---.445---.291------.821.....90 5.20 6.10 3.8 1.50 .48 2.11 2.10 20.0
CAREER----1,072----1,039---38.3---.497---.327------.835 ---1.60  4.70  6.20  5.3  2.35  .83  2.73  2.60  30.1
Playoff  179 179 41.8 .487 .332 .828 1.70 4.70 6.40 5.7 2.10 .88 3.05 3.00 33.4
All-Star  13 13 29.4 .472 .273


First of all, I try not to compare players from different eras.  There was handchecking back in Jordan's day, there isn't now.  There were hard fouls back then, now you get whistled if you even look hard at a player.  Also, the 3pt shot was just introduced to the league in the 79-80 season, so in Jordan's rookie year it had only been around for 5 years.  Players today are MUCH better 3pt fg% shooters than back then because it is part of their development from the very beginning now.  

Jordan shot 51.5% in his rookie year.  Yes, that is a very good shooting year, especially with hand checking allowed.  He only shot 17.6% from 3, but he only took .6 3pt fgas/game.  Jordan averaged 19.8 fgas/game and only .6 were 3pt fgas.  That means that only 3% of MJ's fgas were 3pt fgas.  The 3pter wasn't as much a part of his game, and the game, as it is now.  Brown took 74 fgas and 22 of them were 3pt fgas.  29.7% of Brown's fgas were 3pt fgas.  MJ wasn't a great 3pt shooter when he came into the league, and he didn't take many (only 52, total, in 82 games).  Brown took over 40% as many 3pt fgas in 6 games as MJ took in 82 games.  Put another way, Jaylen Brown would need only 15 games to take as many 3pt fgas as MJ took in his entire 82-game rookie season.  If your game is 3pt shooting, and that's pretty much a requirement in today's NBA, even for bigs, then you better hit them.

Jordan shot 49.7% for his career.  If Jaylen Brown does that he will be considered one of the best shooters in the league, just as MJ was.  

Jordan shot 84.5% from the line in his rookie year and averaged 9.1 ftas/game, about how many Jaylen Brown averaged in summer league.  Yes, I would be ecstatic if Brown shot almost 85% from the line with comparable ftas as MJ, absolutely ecstatic, but if your game is getting to the line you better hit them.

Terry Rozier averaged 3.4 assists/game in summer league.

Thanks for discussing this with me.


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[arambone]

So Jaylen Brown shooting 72.7% from the FT line is a bad thing now?

That's some glass half empty talk.

[mulcogiseng]

I think most teams fans are disappointed with the performance of their summer league players. I know I was.

I was hoping Jaylen would be further along in his shot selection and ball handling. I'm not as concerned with him missing the bunnys. I'm more concerned with the way he looses the ball so often on his drives to the hoop. He often doesn't seem to have a clear idea how he wants to finish so he invents some kind of shot that has no shot of going in. His aggressive tendency is fabulous but he needs to make it work for him. He didn't get drafted for his stats.

I was disappointed that Guerschon didn't shine more. I think he is capable of more than he showed. The most heard comment is that he doesn't value the defensive rebound. He suffered because they weren't looking for his offensive game, no plays for him, the team suffered because he wasn't showcased more on a team that didn't have much going for it.

I am wicked disappointed that Ante wasn't able to participate nor be available for the upcoming season. He is what we need right now. Next year!

I wasn't really disappointed in Mickey, I know he's injured but thot he could still have done better. Perhaps a little disappintedd in Hunter but he was injured also, let's hope he can be upgraded.

I was disappointed when Nader screwed up but otherwise really liked his game.

Otherwise I love the guys with a chance to make the team and wish the others well. We got at least one new guy who could easily be wearing Green for the next ten years.

Oh, I was incredibly disappointed by the number of turnovers and especially how many absolutely stupid plays especially inbounding the ball. summerleagueitis

[cowens/oldschool]

Watching the game on DVR right now, Jaylon Brown showed me enough that I'm very glad with the pick, hes easily most athletic wing in this draft, he has a glide and burst about him that you cannot teach. With his work ethic and our coaching staff there will be major improvements on the horizon. The best thing is as raw as he is, he is showing me he is very capable of being a 5 tool player as he can already defend on the perimeter and seems to have a nose for the ball in the paint for rebounding. His defense and willingness to embrace that end of the floor has impressed the most, didn't know he could defend at all until now.

This was Mickey's best game of SL, had some nice scoring plays around the basket, hopefully he can rebound when it matters the next level. Yaba showed in flashes some nice offense, would like to see more, he actually had a couple of drives where he showed a surprising burst, a very raw Karl Malone maybe? Would have obviously loved seeing Zizic.

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Bob.
Always a pleasure to have a discussion with you.But you don't understand my point,of course I am not making a comparison between MJ and JB ,I m just saying that if you are going to make an evaluation of a player y ou have to do it on both ends of the court.My opinion is a player who has 5 steals and look great on deffence cant be inefficient.And many people just see the 3 points % of Brown to complaint about his perfonmance.As you see Jordan was not a good 3 points shooter,but was very good in oter areas.

[cowens/oldschool]

international bob can be harsh sometimes, its his nature, but he knows the game....my view is the kid is friggin 19, when did Jordan come out? bottomline he showed for a 3rd round pick he can be a very impactful force all over the floor, I'm thrilled with his game and potential as he can do alot of things better.

[international]

Thank you Cowens.
I know that many people are blaming the kid ,because Danny did not make a trade with pick.But like you I believe the kid is for real.When a reporter ask him....What are you going to do now that the summer league is over?Are you going to rest?He answer ....I will rest when I die.

[Shamrock1000]

international bob can be harsh sometimes, its his nature, but he knows the game....my view is the kid is friggin 19, when did Jordan come out? bottomline he showed for a 3rd round pick he can be a very impactful force all over the floor, I'm thrilled with his game and potential as he can do alot of things better.

I'm also psyched to see how this kid develops. Even if he is not the best shooter yet, he manages to impact the game. Getting to the line like he does (I know the calls will be tougher for a rookie in the regular season), rebounding, defense - he will improve his shooting. When he does, look out.

[NYCelt]

Brown is certainly not the shooter we need. He may improve, who knows? He can score and defend, however, and is probably physically ready to contribute right away. Expecting a lot from him in the summer league may be premature. I think he'll be able to earn solid minutes this season. I look at him as very similar to Marcus Smart; a pick who will earn some minutes quickly and regularly as a rookie.

[bobheckler]

Sorry if I came across as harsh.  It is ok to disagree on this board as long as you are not disagreeable when you do it.  In fact, if everybody agreed with everything everybody said here it would be the most boring sports board on the internet.  As long as everybody remembers:

1.  This is just sports talk, not people being blown up or shot
2.  Nobody is always right
3.  Nobody can see you smiling when you try to be a wise-ass (a problem of mine, in particular), so try to be clear when you have tongue-in-cheek.  Also, for the more sarcastic board members try to remember that not everybody understands nor appreciates snarkiness.  Speaking as an East Coaster living in California I run into that all the time.  The difference is that when I do it here they can see that I'm just kidding them.
4.  You should treat people the same here as you would if they were standing right in front of you.  Courtesy is eminently transportable across cultures and media.

then everything should be fine.


Congrats to Terry Rozier for most efficient high-volume player in summer league.

https://twitter.com/synergysst/status/754431713686720512






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[bobheckler]

So Jaylen Brown shooting 72.7% from the FT line is a bad thing now?

That's some glass half empty talk.

arambone,


The Celtics shot 78.8% from the line last year.  That was good for sixth place.  We were, however, 14th in ftas with 23.5/game.

If we see Jaylen Brown as getting Evan Turner's minutes, then what have we lost at the line and what have we gained?

Turner shot 82.7% from the line, but he only averaged 2.2ftas/game in 28mpg.  Brown had 61 ftas in 6 games, 29mpg.  That's 10.1ftas/game over roughly the same number of minutes.  So, that means 7.9 more ftas/game with Brown instead of Turner.  What impact would that have on the team's ft%?

23.5 + 7.9 = 31.4 ftas/game for the team.  That would make us the #1 fta team in the league.  The weakness here is that Brown won't be getting a lot of the calls he has gotten but we don't know that for sure nor how many less.  Nevertheless, this is all pretty good news.

The bottom line, though, is that 72.7% from the line isn't good for a guy who lives there.  In fact, replacing Turner on last year's team, Jaylen Brown's ft% would put him ahead of only James Young (25% on only 4 ftas and is either gone or will never play), Jordan Mickey (50% on only 10 ftas.  Questionable minutes this year), Amir (575 on 121 ftas.  1.5/game) and Sully (64% on 161 ftas. 2/game.  Sully is also gone).   At 61 ftas/6 games it would take Brown 12 games to match Amir's and 15 games to match Sully's season totals.  With Sully gone, and Young not playing or being gone, that would make Jaylen Brown the 3rd worst frito shooter on the team, ahead of only Mickey and Amir but neither of them make their contributions from the line.  

The math, with Brown replacing Turner at the line:  24ftm, 31.4ftas = 76.4%.  This would drop us down to a tie for 15th place from 6th.  That's what happens when you have a player who is taking about 32% of the team's ftas shooting 6% lower than the team.  It has a heavily weighted dilution of the results.

If you're going to live at the line, you have to make them pay for putting you there.  I don't see that as "glass half empty".  If you don't, then we get empty possessions and it makes it a tougher decision for Brad to have him in the game at crunch time, when every possession and every point counts hugely. It's something he has to work on and it is something, if you listen to his interview with Amanda Pflugrad after summer league ended, he admits he needs to improve upon.


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[gyso]

If Brown replaces Turner, based on Bob's numbers, the FTA/game increase from 2.2 to 10.1, which is an almost 8 FTA/game increase, as Bob states.

I do not know what the ratio is between a 2-shot foul and a "and-one" foul is over the course of a season.  At a minimum, the increase in fouls drawn by Brown is 4.  Lets say Brown draws 4-5 extra fouls per game more than Turner, that has an affect on the other team.  It puts a good player from the other team on the bench, perhaps bringing in a lesser player (or more winded player) off the bench.

That brings the glass closer to only one-quarter empty.  (LOL - my poor attempt at wise-assery!)

gyso

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