Re: Ime Udoka faces significant suspension by the Celtics???

by **Celtics17** Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:16 am

The 11am press conference should be interesting, but will probably not provide much clarity as to what really happened. A consensual relationship in the workplace? As many have said this is very common. The punishment doesn't appear to fit the crime, so there has to be much more that we don't know. It's too bad I liked Ime. I thought he was a good coach. His defense first mentality really jelled in the second half of the year. I know little about Mazzulla, but have to hope the players will respond to him. This is a players league, so the team as currently constructed can still be special.

by **Ktron** Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:31 am

112288 wrote:
Ktron wrote:
112288 wrote:If I was voting as part of the management group, I would vote to fire IME. There are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake and to have your head coach screw up with something like this is putting the franchise at risk for many reasons.

First if the team flounders and does not do well during the season which costs them to not reach the finals you have a big loss of revenue not only during the regular season games but the playoff as well.

Second loss of respect by players if he comes back next year.

YOUR FIRED!

112288

He’s putting the franchise at risk? Tell me how please. If it’s a consensual relationship and they fire the coach behind petty s*** like that then the owners are putting the franchise at risk. Also, players don’t care if the coach is getting booty. The players if anything can relate to it. They get it all the time

I will tell you. Every corporation big and small has to have a corporate policy book on many issues including sexual harrasment or in appropriate behavior. A company can have wide ranging policies but included in the policy book is state laws against descrimination and sxual misconduct. Especially sexual misconduct. And HR of any organization has strict policy to enforce state law or the corporation can be fined big time.

That being said, for the franchise there are big commitments of MONEY to improve a team. They are long term 3-5 years to move a team from ok to a WINNER! If it does not work, you cannot turn on a dime and correct it. It is like a battleship it takes a mile to turn in the opposite direction.

You hire a head coach for serious money to mold a team into a winning team. It is like betting on a race horse to finish first, if he looses so does the franchise and you then have to start over. The frachise is also battling the CAP LINE, star player contracts which do not line up with each other. A wrong direction and poor team record can disrupt and send one player packing in free agency (Brown), and now you have to fill that stars position with another.

It also includes player roster. Who stays, who goes etc. So big money is spent on player personal, advertising and promotion to do one thing -SELL TICKETS AND WIN!

The Celtic did that and were looking to spend MORE MONEY TO WIN IT ALL this year. Everything was set, and now you have no coach! The house of cards just may tumble with an inexperienced interium coach and millions are at stake!

I also believe there is more to it then what appears as 2 consenting adults having an affair. I think the relationship went wrong and the woman rprobably wanted to end it and had to reported it to HR. I think she may want to sue. I also believe the Celtics want to keep it quiet by offering a financial settlement with the woman, but first had to get IME out of the way by the suspension. She cannot be fired or there would be a huge public law suit. Also think again about IME coming back! It would be awkward if she is working there and IME comes back. Look for him to be bought out and the Celtics can turn the page on this mess.

Now with an unknown coach, if they start poorly, ticket sales will drop and that = less revenue to feed a team payroll that is significantly over the CAP LIMIT.
It may prevent them from major trades or additions to the team and move into a wait and see position. This spells opportunities lost for the Celtics.

Other than that, every thing is peachy creamy!

112288

I think I see what you’re getting at but your post also includes a lot of speculations on your part. As I write this we don’t have all of the info that as you speculate may be still undercover. Indeed there maybe more coming or more that we will never find out .
My other point and question was how does Ime’s affair bring down an entire organization? It may very well contribute to it but this org as we know it has done many things that contributes to this potential downfall.
They’ve made personnel moves, trades and statements over the pest 5 or so years that carry much more weight than just this affair as we know it.
Also, just because the team stated THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO SPEND MORE MONEY doesn’t equate to reality.
So far they haven’t in regards to additional players outside of their 2 stars.

Based on what I know which is not a hell of a lot more than anyone here so far, I think suspension for the entire year is a dog whistle for he won’t be back. Again I think it’s a bit harsh and harmful to the org who have done enough to begin a crumble downward without this additional distraction.
I understand corporate policies. However, when I worked at ABC Radio networks their policy differed from another company, Entercom (now Audacy).
Both places allowed personal relationships as long as it was not with subordinate. Another I worked for did not.
I worked at an all news station where the married male news director started dating a staff reporter, eventually left his wife, married the former jump off (side piece) and the organization continued to thrive.
I know it’s a different time now and it’s now taken on a whole new dynamic regardless of who’s right or wrong. It’s highly frowned upon.
I pray that this team and Ime overcome this and move on. It’ll be awhile and this current situation in my opinion is just another domino in a stack of other bad moves that is very disappointing.

by **Ktron** Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:40 am

jrleftfoot wrote:
Ktron wrote:Can someone on this board tell me whats the difference between Ime and Allison vs. Jeannie Buss and Phil Jackson?

the difference is that Jackson and Buss actually got together and Ime and Allison didn't.

Pardon me. Maybe I’m missing something here. What do you mean they got together? They never married and still are not. I don’t even think they are even seeing each other anymore.

by **dbrown4** Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:58 am

I have to keep thinking in the back of my mind with all the bombs going off, this team is still this team. This season coming up may very well be the Norm Sloan/NC State team that when I look back on it said, "Well I could have coached the 1973-74 NC State Wolfpack team and won the National Championship."

All seriousness aside, the team is still very, very good and a title contender. They will need to separate and compartmentalize things to get rid of the noise, but what's going to hit the courts in a few weeks is an even better team than the one that fell two wins short of #18 just a few months ago. They'll figure it out.

With no pressure, there are no diamonds. Get ready for a season to remember. And in case you've been under a rock, it's already started, guns a-blazin'!!

db

by **gyso** Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:12 pm

Ktron wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:
Ktron wrote:Can someone on this board tell me whats the difference between Ime and Allison vs. Jeannie Buss and Phil Jackson?

the difference is that Jackson and Buss actually got together and Ime and Allison didn't.

Pardon me. Maybe I’m missing something here. What do you mean they got together? They never married and still are not. I don’t even think they are even seeing each other anymore.

On one hand, I think he means that Allison was wrongly named and had no part in this. And you posted your question AFTER that revelation was posted on this board. So, that.

On the other hand, Buss and Jackson "got together" at a different time, when there was not a real focus on this issue. In that way, it is a false equivalence, you know, the apples and oranges thing. The fact that they are no longer together and never got married doesn't play a part in this either.

I'll leave it at that.

by **Ktron** Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:40 pm

gyso wrote:Ime Udoka Accused Of Affairs With Two Married Celtics Staffers One Being Kathleen Nimmo Lynch

https://blacksportsonline.com/2022/09/ime-udoka-accused-of-affairs-with-two-married-celtics-staffers-one-being-kathleen-nimmo-lynch/

The streets are talking about Ime Udoka, and we need to clear up some things.

The first thing Allison Feaster, the woman widely spread on social media as the person Ime Udoka was having an affair with, is not the woman involved with Udoka. She is happily married by all accounts, with kids, so social media should leave her alone and delete all the comments and posts about her.

Secondly, people want to know why the Celtics are considering such an extreme punishment for an office affair.

The reason is that it simply wasn’t an office affair. Rumors are that Udoka was having relationships with married Celtics staffers. That wouldn’t be a big deal if they were married to a plumber, but in one case, it is being reported the woman is married to a Celtics Sr. Vice President. As you can imagine, that didn’t go over well when the affair was uncovered. Udoka was given an opportunity to end all his affairs quietly but chose not to.

A Celtics staffer Kathleen Nimmo Lynch deleted all her social media a few days before the story broke, leading people on social media to believe she was the staffer that Udoka was having the affair with via EFOCUS news, but that hasn’t been confirmed.

It seemed she was bracing for what was to come.

Kathleen Nimmo Lynch is the team service manager of the Boston Celtics. She has been appointed with the NBA franchise for more than seven years.

Kathleen Nimmo-Lynch and Ime Udoka, the head coach of the Boston Celtics, are said to have shared an improper intimate relationship.

Though it has been reported to be consensual, the relationship violates the organization’s discipline guidelines. It’s been said that a suspension is soon looming for both of them.

Many have even reported that the Celtic coach might be suspended, but in the NBA, coaching suspensions are rare.

In his first season, Ime Udoka rallied his team to the NBA finals, and Boston Celtics were set to enter as the favorites for this season. But now, the whole dynamic of the team has undoubtedly shifted.

Kathleen Nimmo Lynch is one of the female staff members of the NBA franchise Boston Celtics. The lady is currently making headlines as she shared an intimate relationship with the Boston Celtics Head coach Ime Udoka.

Lynch graduated from Brigham Young University with a degree in Science in 2006 and then went on to pursue her studies in Richmond, the American International University in London.

These affairs seem to be why Udoka and Nia Long have separated. Udoka has considered resigning, but it looks like the Celtics will suspend him for at least half, if not the entire, season.

So, here is your update.

There are likely even more wild details to come, and they likely won’t be pretty, so stay tuned.

Flip the pages for more scoops on what is going on with Udoka and photos of Mrs. Lynch.

My comments: This is worse than I thought. What was he thinking?

BTW, The Senior Vice President in the Celtics organization reportedly is the one who wanted the 1 year suspension.

Click on the link to see more pages with tweets.

This may or may not come to be all truths but this site you pulled it from is not the most reputable. Gyso, you are generally cynical about a lot of whats posted on sites that are more reputable than this one.
Again, this story may be spot on but I would not consider this site a solid reliable source.

by **dboss** Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:49 pm

The news conference left many unanswered questions.

There are a lot of slants to this story but the details remain sketchy.

What we do know from Wyc is that there was more than one violation. This situation may or may not fall under sexual harassment. It seems to me that if that was in the mix he would have been fired outright. We do not know if more than one female was involved.

Why the suspension instead of termination? I think that the Celtics do not have clear evidence of sexual harassment and their attorneys advised them that Ime had legal recourse to sue them. I do not see him joining the team after the year suspension. If an offer pops up to coach another team he will ask to be released from his contract obligation.

Ime will never coach the Celtics again. The Celtics are doing all that they can do to shield other parties but I do not see how that will curb further investigative initiatives. Sooner or later the truth will come out but it will not change Ime's fate.

by **Ktron** Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:58 pm

gyso wrote:
Ktron wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:
Ktron wrote:Can someone on this board tell me whats the difference between Ime and Allison vs. Jeannie Buss and Phil Jackson?

the difference is that Jackson and Buss actually got together and Ime and Allison didn't.

Pardon me. Maybe I’m missing something here. What do you mean they got together? They never married and still are not. I don’t even think they are even seeing each other anymore.

On one hand, I think he means that Allison was wrongly named and had no part in this. And you posted your question AFTER that revelation was posted on this board. So, that.

On the other hand, Buss and Jackson "got together" at a different time, when there was not a real focus on this issue. In that way, it is a false equivalence, you know, the apples and oranges thing. The fact that they are no longer together and never got married doesn't play a part in this either.

I'll leave it at that.

Yes my post did include Allison because that what was out there. I did not see the prior post and again, is what we hearing now a fact? You seem to think so and may be right but its amusing to me that you pick and choose whats factual without knowing anymore than anyone else on the subject. I will guarantee you that the rag that you pulled that story from is not reputable. If in fact they did get it right time its because they got the information from elsewhere and basically cut and pasted.

IDGAF if Buss and Jackson got together at a different time. You're the one spitting corporate policy all over the place and now you’re putting a timer on whats “ethically” right or wrong.

It was stated that Jackson and Buss were together, if he meant that it wasn’t Allison he (poster) can speak for himself. I interpreted differently than you did.
The poster J LF is the only one who can tell us what he meant. Thank you very much.

by **worcester** Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:19 pm

Ime's apology was appropriate.

by **NYCelt** Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:30 pm

Brad and Wyc made their statement and what details they gave are all they care to disclose in public.

Ime accepted the organizations rules as a condition of employment and didn't follow them. He made his statement and said he has nothing further.

Nia Long has asked for privacy for her and her family.

Those are all the facts we will get or need. This has been a distraction from the fast approaching pre-season and what is hopefully a competitive season.

I'm looking forward to moving on to basketball.

by **dbrown4** Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:46 pm

+1 NYCelt.

db

by **worcester** Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:49 pm

+2 NY Celt

by **jrleftfoot** Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:00 pm

I don't think that my post was particularly ambiguous, but here goes. What I meant was that Jackson and Buss had an affair and that Allison Feaster was not the woman involved in the Udoka situation. Somebody asked a question and I answered it. I like Ime as a coach, and my initial reaction was that the suspension was excessive, but the more that comes out, the worse he looks. He apparently knew about the investigation , but failed to tell Nia Long, which resulted in her moving to Boston with her children. My sympathy goes to her and to Allison Feaster's family. I'm sure her 16 year old daughter enjoyed the attention her mother got.( For those who might be confused about my meaning, that last sentence was sarcasm.)

by **dboss** Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:03 pm

worcester wrote:Ime's apology was appropriate.

Yes it was. If he gets hired by another team I am quite certain that his contract will contain very, very specific language.

All in all this has been a rather sorted episode in bad judgment and the consequences of his extracurricular activities.

by **dboss** Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:08 pm

jrleftfoot wrote:I don't think that my post was particularly ambiguous, but here goes. What I meant was that Jackson and Buss had an affair and that Allison Feaster was not the woman involved in the Udoka situation. Somebody asked a question and I answered it. I like Ime as a coach, and my initial reaction was that the suspension was excessive, but the more that comes out, the worse he looks. He apparently knew about the investigation , but failed to tell Nia Long, which resulted in her moving to Boston with her children. My sympathy goes to her and to Allison Feaster's family. I'm sure her 16 year old daughter enjoyed the attention her mother got.( For those who might be confused about my meaning, that last sentence was sarcasm.)

Foot

Pretty much my feelings about this as well.

by **gyso** Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:17 pm

Ktron,

I agree the article may have come from a sketchy website and I should have put a disclaimer at the top. I'll try to do better whenever something like that comes up again.

by **jrleftfoot** Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:58 pm

dboss wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:I don't think that my post was particularly ambiguous, but here goes. What I meant was that Jackson and Buss had an affair and that Allison Feaster was not the woman involved in the Udoka situation. Somebody asked a question and I answered it. I like Ime as a coach, and my initial reaction was that the suspension was excessive, but the more that comes out, the worse he looks. He apparently knew about the investigation , but failed to tell Nia Long, which resulted in her moving to Boston with her children. My sympathy goes to her and to Allison Feaster's family. I'm sure her 16 year old daughter enjoyed the attention her mother got.( For those who might be confused about my meaning, that last sentence was sarcasm.)

Foot

Pretty much my feelings about this as well.

I think both our positions shifted as we got more info. Pretty much how it should work, I believe

by **jrleftfoot** Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:59 pm

dboss wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:I don't think that my post was particularly ambiguous, but here goes. What I meant was that Jackson and Buss had an affair and that Allison Feaster was not the woman involved in the Udoka situation. Somebody asked a question and I answered it. I like Ime as a coach, and my initial reaction was that the suspension was excessive, but the more that comes out, the worse he looks. He apparently knew about the investigation , but failed to tell Nia Long, which resulted in her moving to Boston with her children. My sympathy goes to her and to Allison Feaster's family. I'm sure her 16 year old daughter enjoyed the attention her mother got.( For those who might be confused about my meaning, that last sentence was sarcasm.)

Foot

Pretty much my feelings about this as well.

I think both our positions shifted as we got more info. Pretty much how it should work, I believe

by **Ktron** Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:29 pm

gyso wrote:Ktron,

I agree the article may have come from a sketchy website and I should have put a disclaimer at the top. I'll try to do better whenever something like that comes up again.

No prob. It happens. That site is more of a site with a lot of rumors.
It’s cool. This is all disappointing and depressing ..,

by **dboss** Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:01 pm

jrleftfoot wrote:
dboss wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:I don't think that my post was particularly ambiguous, but here goes. What I meant was that Jackson and Buss had an affair and that Allison Feaster was not the woman involved in the Udoka situation. Somebody asked a question and I answered it. I like Ime as a coach, and my initial reaction was that the suspension was excessive, but the more that comes out, the worse he looks. He apparently knew about the investigation , but failed to tell Nia Long, which resulted in her moving to Boston with her children. My sympathy goes to her and to Allison Feaster's family. I'm sure her 16 year old daughter enjoyed the attention her mother got.( For those who might be confused about my meaning, that last sentence was sarcasm.)

Foot

Pretty much my feelings about this as well.
I think both our positions shifted as we got more info. Pretty much how it should work, I believe

No doubt

I am sure we will continue to see a plethora of facts and falsehoods as this story plays out. The Celtics want to put this behind them as they prepare for the 2022-23 campaign. As fans we will turn the page and move on as well.

by **Shamrock1000** Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:59 pm

I'm still not sure why the penalty is so severe. Every report has emphasized that the relationship was consensual. I assume the consensuality endured the entire length of the relationship (either was always free to break it off). If there was some kind of quid pro quo that affected Celtics business, then I get it. If the severity of the penalty has to do with the fact that it was a VP's wife, then that it not right. Whomever's wife it was or wasn't shouldn't matter. It is incredibly poor judgment on Ime's part for sure, but the position of an affected spouse shouldn't matter. If there is an angry VP pushing for this penalty, then that is highly unprofessional on his part. The players on this team, the fans, and the other ownership shouldn't have to suffer a blown season because some rich-ass cuckhold feels humiliated. They should really release more info. My experience is that people will tend to invent a story that is more scandalous than the truth.

by **Ktron** Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:32 pm

jrleftfoot wrote:I don't think that my post was particularly ambiguous, but here goes. What I meant was that Jackson and Buss had an affair and that Allison Feaster was not the woman involved in the Udoka situation. Somebody asked a question and I answered it. I like Ime as a coach, and my initial reaction was that the suspension was excessive, but the more that comes out, the worse he looks. He apparently knew about the investigation , but failed to tell Nia Long, which resulted in her moving to Boston with her children. My sympathy goes to her and to Allison Feaster's family. I'm sure her 16 year old daughter enjoyed the attention her mother got.( For those who might be confused about my meaning, that last sentence was sarcasm.)

I hear ya

Cool!

by **Ktron** Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:35 pm

Shamrock1000 wrote:I'm still not sure why the penalty is so severe. Every report has emphasized that the relationship was consensual. I assume the consensuality endured the entire length of the relationship (either was always free to break it off). If there was some kind of quid pro quo that affected Celtics business, then I get it. If the severity of the penalty has to do with the fact that it was a VP's wife, then that it not right. Whomever's wife it was or wasn't shouldn't matter. It is incredibly poor judgment on Ime's part for sure, but the position of an affected spouse shouldn't matter. If there is an angry VP pushing for this penalty, then that is highly unprofessional on his part. The players on this team, the fans, and the other ownership shouldn't have to suffer a blown season because some rich-ass cuckhold feels humiliated. They should really release more info. My experience is that people will tend to invent a story that is more scandalous than the truth.

It!

by **Vankisa** Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:00 pm

At this point it is becoming more than clear that the Celtics were NOT ready or willing to disclose this apparently ongoing "investigation".

My guess is that someone within the organization leaked it on their own to Woj for money. Otherwise all this mystery, delayed responses, no responses and apparent mummery which can only be to protect people and families around this (including potentially Udoka).

I heard Stephen A. being enraged they "made it" public instead of dealing with it privately, but by their weird, delayed reactions my guess is they were planning on putting this public after they have made the decision. Otherwise I find it a bit overly cryptic and unnecessary to leak some info and then give no further details at all.

I also think by the lack of info on this still means there is a lot not being said.

I myself do not understand the idea about this 1 year suspension. Fire him, don't tell us the details if they need to be kept private but what is up with that?

Also has anyone hear any comment from any of the players on this whole mess?

by **jrleftfoot** Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:10 pm

The fact that the suspension is wihout pay raises some interesting issues. Ime could litigate the salary issue, but it might affect his ability to get another NBA job.I don't know any other reason why he wouldn't fight for the money. Chivalry , I guess, and no, I'm not being facetious or sarcastic .He may not want to do any more harm to family, Nia, or anyone else involved. It seems fairly evident that he's not coming back, so a buyout would seem like the best solution for everybody. Sad situation. Mazzullo was retained from Stevens' staff, according to reports, because the players wanted him back. Let's hope that they respond to him positively. He's younger than Horford I believe.

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