Re: lakers lose 4th inna row

by **steve3344** Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:56 pm

tjmakz wrote:
steve3344 wrote:Guaranteed salary for this year and the next three years: 2010 - $6.3 mil, 2011 - $6.8 mil, 2012 - $7.3 mil, 2013 - $7.7 mil.

Points per game 2007-2008: 20.5
2008-2009: 17.1
2009-2010: 11.0
2010-2011: 8.7

Rebounds per game 2007-2008: 5.8
2008-2009: 5.2
2009-2010: 4.3
2010-2011: 3.3

Assists per game 2007-2008: 3.5
2008-2009: 3.3
2009-2010: 3.0
2010-2011: 1.8

Field goal percentage 2007-2008: .453
2008-2009: .401
2009-2010: .414
2010-2011: .396

Age of player now: 31

Player's name: Ron Artest

Houston, we have a problem. Actually, LA, we have a problem. Houston got rid of him. He's LA's problem now.

Steve,

Why don't you mention that Artest's shots per game have gone down from 17 per game to less then 9 this year.
LA's offense doesn't exactly revolve around Artest.
Artest was signed primarily for his defensive abilities.
There have been plenty of bad contracts in the NBA but Artest's is not one of them.
You should research how much the Knicks and Mavericks have spent on contracts over the last 10 years which has resulted in 0 championships.

Because it has nothing to do with his drop in rebounds, assists or his shooting percentage, which has gone from over 45% to under 40%. When your small forward is shooting under 40% that's not good. I know he plays great defense. Right now that's all he does.

And I don't care about bad Knick (or Maverick) contracts. Everyone knows the Knicks are the worst franchise in the NBA. They are, in fact (with one of the highest payrolls year after year) the only team in the league without a 40 win season since 2000-2001. Unbelievable.

by **tjmakz** Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:16 am

Rebounds and assists do go down when you play less minutes. Artest has had to become more of an outside shooter because with Gasol, Odom and Bynum in the paint over the last 1+ years, Artest does not play near the basket much at all. This also affects his rebounds.
Not sure why you even care about how much LA pays any of their players.
Maybe we should talk about how much Boston paid Vin Baker and Antoine Walker...

by **steve3344** Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:54 am

tjmakz wrote:Rebounds and assists do go down when you play less minutes. Artest has had to become more of an outside shooter because with Gasol, Odom and Bynum in the paint over the last 1+ years, Artest does not play near the basket much at all. This also affects his rebounds.
Not sure why you even care about how much LA pays any of their players.
Maybe we should talk about how much Boston paid Vin Baker and Antoine Walker...

I'm not here to talk about the past.

Loved that line then and still love it now.

by **tjmakz** Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:50 am

Steve,

If you think Artest in overpaid, here is a list of Celtics players that were paid at least $10,000,000 in a season from 2000-2007. Not exactly a list of hall of famers.
Wally Szczerbiak
Theo Ratliff
Raef LaFrentz
Vin Baker (2 seasons)
Antoine Walker (3 seasons)
Paul Pierce (5 seasons)

Artest helped LA win a championship last year. Boston averaged 38 wins per season from 2000-2007.

LA is #2 in gross annual revenue behind the Knicks, so I wouldn't worry about the Lakers contracts if I was you.

by **worcester** Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:27 am

TJ - How can you possibly include Paul Piere in that list of stifffs? Paul is a superb player well worth his salt and indeed a Hall of Famer.

by **tjmakz** Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:42 am

worcester wrote:TJ - How can you possibly include Paul Piere in that list of stifffs? Paul is a superb player well worth his salt and indeed a Hall of Famer.

I listed ALL Boston players that made at least $10m in a season.
I recognize that Pierce is a franchise player and a future hall of famer.

by **jeb** Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:08 pm

None of this changes anything that happened last night and it DOES change the subject of the thread. If yall wanna nitpick ancient stats start a stat thread please.

Cheers

Jeb

by **worcester** Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:27 pm

TJ,

KG and Ray Allen also made $10 million a year, as does Rondo.

by **tjmakz** Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:30 pm

worcester wrote:TJ,

KG and Ray Allen also made $10 million a year, as does Rondo.

Worcester,

I used from 2000-2007.
KG and Ray didn't come to Boston until the 2007-2008 season.

by **tjmakz** Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:33 pm

jeb wrote:
None of this changes anything that happened last night and it DOES change the subject of the thread. If yall wanna nitpick ancient stats start a stat thread please.

Cheers

Jeb

jeb,

I wasn't the one that brought up Artest's contract in this thread.
You're sending your dogs after the wrong guy.
Stop meddling in my arguments...
It's hard to argue multiple people on multiple subjects in one thread.
Smile

by **worcester** Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:40 pm

TJ, You're right. I didn't read your post closely enough. However, to be fair to both the Celts and 'Toine, he did have damn good numbers from 2000 through 2002 (in 2003 he played for Dallas). The Celts got their money's worth.
2000 - 23.4 ppg, 5.5 assists, 8.9 TRB
2001 - 22.1 ppg, 5.0 assists, 8.8 TRB
2002 - 20.1 ppg, 4.8 assists, 7.2 TRB

by **tjmakz** Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:52 pm

worcester,

Walker did have a pretty good run with the Celtics.
I realize that every team has had their share of bad contracts.
Walton and Vujacic are currently grossly overpaid for LA.
I don't know why Steve brought up Artest's contract in this thread and then claims it is a bad contract.
Artest is doing what LA is asking him to do.

by **worcester** Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:33 pm

Artest won the last championship for the Lakers. Why would anyone complain about his contract?

by **jeb** Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:56 pm

bless you TJ... made me laugh

by **jeb** Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:57 pm

Gasol's hamstring is tweaked. He's day to day. Minutes taking there toll.

by **tjmakz** Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:12 pm

jeb,

It's not the minutes with Gasol its that he is being beaten to pieces by the Darko Milicic's, Channing Fry's and Andris Biedrins of the Western Conference. He will be lucky to make it to April battling the beef of the Western Conf Centers.

Speaking of minutes played, someone better tell Doc that West ain't coming back anytime soon and that increasing PP, KG, RA and RR's minutes is probably not a good idea.

Mr. Jackson has DECREASED Kobe's minutes from 38.8 mpg last year to 33.5 mpg so far this year. That is really smart!

by **jeb** Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:33 pm

Tj

He got USED last night by Houston's front line. Its early. But its not trending well for your boys. Yall need Kobe and Gasol and you cant beat diddly without both of them on the floor. Nobody is afraid of the Lakers right now.

OUr minutes have been lookin great thanks for the concern. And way to call out the fact that one of our guys has a compound fracture in your argument.

Stay classy guy.

I guess i'd be a little red assed if the Celts had lost 4 inna row to mostly mediocre to bad teams.

by **tjmakz** Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:00 pm

Gasol got 'used' so you say but I guess his hamstring issue doesn't factor in. You weren't chirping about the Lakers when they were 8-0. Don't get your shorts all twisted about LA losing games in November.
Boston played .500 ball after Christmas last year and was embarrassed by the Nets and Wizards at home but what did that mean when the playoffs came around? Zilch.
Where's Doc's Plan B for minutes this year knowing that West will be out and you will probably get 1 player if you combine Shaq & JO? Here's Boston's big 4's minutes from last year to this year.
RA: 35.2 to 37.1
KG: 29.9 to 32.9
PP: 34.0 to 35.6
RR: 36.6 to 39.5

Don't get all hyper sensitive about Delonte West. Boston picked him off of the scrap heap, he was almost cut a few weeks ago and he has played 87 minutes this year.

by **steve3344** Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:42 pm

tjmakz wrote:worcester,

Walker did have a pretty good run with the Celtics.
I realize that every team has had their share of bad contracts.
Walton and Vujacic are currently grossly overpaid for LA.
I don't know why Steve brought up Artest's contract in this thread and then claims it is a bad contract.
Artest is doing what LA is asking him to do.

I brought it up because it's a Laker thread, Artest's numbers have dropped markedly the past several years, he's locked in contractually through 2014 (any further diminishing of his low numbers from here will REALLY make that contract unworthy in years to come) and as a Celtic fan posting on a Celtic chat board for the benefit of a bunch of other Celtic fans it's always fun to stir the anti-Laker pot. Sorry we got two or three Laker fans on here who don't appreciate mentioning anything negative about their team. Again, it's all in fun. I know the Lakers brought Artest in primarily for his defense but he used to have an offensive game too. And used to be a good rebounder. Not any more.

And honestly? I wish we had him on Boston. Just not through 2014.

by **jeb** Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:05 am

Tj

No class.

NO class.

"Don't get all hyper sensitive about Delonte West. Boston picked him off of the scrap heap, he was almost cut a few weeks ago and he has played 87 minutes this year."

Very trollish pal. You are trending more and more troll and the reason I feel that way is classy paragraphs like the one above.

Your on thin damn ice with me slick.

Be aware of that. Thin damn ice.

by **worcester** Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:52 am

The only person thinking about cutting Delonte this season was his orthopedic surgeon. Doc and Danny love him.

by **Sam** Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:44 am

Jeb,

See my post about Delonte on the other thread. It never hurts to have an injection of reality once in a while. And the reality for me is that Delonte is probably one of two or three keys to the Celtics' championship aspirations this season. Not because of stats. Heck, I only threw out something like half a dozen of those that demonstrate how quickly he became highly productive in the few games he played. No, the real reason he's key is that he can add an element of consistency to the chemistry of the bench.

Sam

by **babyskyhook** Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:40 am

TJ-

You seem to be the one getting your shorts in a twist.

Jeb made a simple, accurate statement about Pau's minutes causing his hamstring issue and you go off on the Cs and their minutes.

The Cs minutes have nothing to do with it. Pau's heavy workload has caused him to tweak his hammy. It's beenmy concern all year with Phil iling the minutes on, and anyone watching the games can see that the heavy minutes caused this.

by **babyskyhook** Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:43 am

And what does West's injury have to do with Pau's minutes ?

by **jeb** Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:10 am

Hey Sam

I read BDC ever so often and the one trait that trolls all share is that reality and facts dont enter into the equation.

When a troll has his chonies in a bunch because someone is pointing out obvious facts about Pau Gasol that were taken pretty much directly from the LA Times that troll will say or do ANYTHING at all behind the safe wall of his or her computer.

Things will be said that would NEVER be said to a persons face.

To me thats the core of a troll. That kind of cowardice and lack of manners or better said lack of respect for other peoples boundries.

If one of the Lakers went down with a compound fracture. Specialy a key Laker wonder how we would be received on a Laker board ( a good one with people like Sky and MG) if we went on there and used that compound fracture to win a point in a meaningless argument?

This is why it's become clear to me that we have a troll here.

Best regards

Jeb

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