Perk Trade Actuality!

Outside wrote:Bob,

Not that it'll help your mood much, but Davis plays both the 4 and 5, and Green plays both the 3 and 4. Green's role as a backup 3/4 is the key acquisition of the day.

As for Chris Johnson, my guess is that he's just a warm body for practice purposes. It's just a 10-day contract.

outside,

Yeah, I really don't/didn't think Chris Johnson is going to be here long, it's just rubbing big honkin' grains of salt into the open wound.

What a stunner.

bob

POST SUBMISSION EDIT:

So, if Chris Johnson is a 10 day rental, then that means we have at least 1 and up to 3 new bodies coming in. The current CBA requires a minimum of 13 players over time.



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The arterial bleeding stems from the hemmorhoids Ainge uses for brains!-Perk was loved by the Vets and the fans-Let's replace Ainge with the baby from the E trade commercial!-MD

bobheckler wrote:

cowens/oldschool wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Celtics call up 6'11", 210# Chris Johnson from D-league.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2011/02/24/boston-celtics-sign-chris-johnson-from-nba-d-league/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/chris_johnson/index.html

This is getting uglier by the minute.

bob

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is that his master move?

cowens,

No, that's his bandaid to stem the arterial bleeding.

bob

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I'm really fockin miserable,how could Danny do this to this team without consulting any of the Big 3? guarentee this wouldn't fly with KG and Pierce......somebody please wake me up,this is all a bad dream right? were in 1st place in the East,doing it with so many injuries through will and effort and this is how you reward the team?That core is worthy of being multiple champions,they've been proving all year they're not a one and done......now this,you gotta be kidding me!!!!!

"In any trade of 4 people, if you walk away with the best player - and the best player BY FAR - which the Celtics did in Jeff Green, you have done well."

-Bob Ryan

I hate to post this, but it is relevant. Here's Hollinger's take on it. In a weird type of way, it makes sense. I don't agree with the philosophy behind it, but it isn't nonsense (like a lot of the stuff he says).

This is Chris Forsberg, of ESPN Boston, quoting Hollinger:

With Thursday's jaw-dropping trade that send Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson to Oklahoma City for Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic, the Celtics are taking a big risk. But they're also thumbing their nose at two rivals, writes ESPN.com's John Hollinger:

Take note, Lakers and Magic fans: The Celtics are effectively betting against you.

They'll never say so in so many words, but actions speak much louder. And today's actions said that when playoff time rolls around, Boston thinks it will need perimeter depth, floor spacing and the ability to play smaller a lot more than they'll need quality low-post defenders.

Translation: Miami is the threat here, not Orlando. And if they survive, it's San Antonio, not the Lakers, whom they now match up better against.

Gone is low-post defensive ace Kendrick Perkins, but coming aboard are versatile wingman Jeff Green and, one suspects, floor-spacing power forward Troy Murphy.

The Celtics had better hope they're right about how the postseason plays out, because they are certainly taking a risk here. For one, they've basically put most of their eggs in a basket labeled, "Shaquille O'Neal and Delonte West staying healthy."

Hollinger also notes: "Nonetheless, one suspects if the Celtics still saw the Lakers and Magic as their two prime playoff threats, they wouldn't have made this deal. The fact the Heat and Spurs have played so well, one suspects, has altered their thinking."

bob

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mrkleen09 wrote:"In any trade of 4 people, if you walk away with the best player - and the best player BY FAR - which the Celtics did in Jeff Green, you have done well."

-Bob Ryan

mrkleen,

I respect Bob Ryan, but I think he's oversimplifying here. Not all positions are equal, not all teams have the same needs. We have KG and Davis. Granted, KG's on in years and Jeff Green is a PF for our future, but we don't need him now and this team is built for now.

We lost #18 last year because we were getting killed on the boards because we didn't have Perk. We don't have him again.

The analysis by Hollinger, which I just posted, kinda/sorta explains some rationale as to why we'd see Green as a need, but I'm not sure I'm buying it.

We'd beaten Miami 3x and San Antonio with the Perk team. We'd already proven we could do it without changes.

bob

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I'm really fockin miserable,how could Danny do this to this team without consulting any of the Big 3? guarentee this wouldn't fly with KG and Pierce......

Cowens, DA has no obligation to consult with the Big Three. He is the GM, not KG, PP, or RA. They don't get a vote. You cannot GM by committee.
Perhaps you meant "inform prior to informing the media", which could well have happened.
I am still hoping that there is more to come.....

Pumpsie Green wrote:I'm really fockin miserable,how could Danny do this to this team without consulting any of the Big 3? guarentee this wouldn't fly with KG and Pierce......

Cowens, DA has no obligation to consult with the Big Three. He is the GM, not KG, PP, or RA. They don't get a vote. You cannot GM by committee.
Perhaps you meant "inform prior to informing the media", which could well have happened.
I am still hoping that there is more to come.....

pumpsie,

There almost has to be more. We're at 12 players plus an undersized d-leaguer.

bob

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bobheckler wrote:

mrkleen09 wrote:"In any trade of 4 people, if you walk away with the best player - and the best player BY FAR - which the Celtics did in Jeff Green, you have done well."

-Bob Ryan

mrkleen,

I respect Bob Ryan, but I think he's oversimplifying here. Not all positions are equal, not all teams have the same needs. We have KG and Davis. Granted, KG's on in years and Jeff Green is a PF for our future, but we don't need him now and this team is built for now.

We lost #18 last year because we were getting killed on the boards because we didn't have Perk. We don't have him again.

The analysis by Hollinger, which I just posted, kinda/sorta explains some rationale as to why we'd see Green as a need, but I'm not sure I'm buying it.

We'd beaten Miami 3x and San Antonio with the Perk team. We'd already proven we could do it without changes.

bob

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Not arguing with you about the (lack of) wisdom of the trade, but how many of the wins against Miami and SA did Perk actually play in?

bobheckler wrote:

Pumpsie Green wrote:I'm really fockin miserable,how could Danny do this to this team without consulting any of the Big 3? guarentee this wouldn't fly with KG and Pierce......

Cowens, DA has no obligation to consult with the Big Three. He is the GM, not KG, PP, or RA. They don't get a vote. You cannot GM by committee.
Perhaps you meant "inform prior to informing the media", which could well have happened.
I am still hoping that there is more to come.....

pumpsie,

There almost has to be more. We're at 12 players plus an undersized d-leaguer.

bob

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One thing I will say is this: Ainge is a pretty shrewd GM. On the surface this looks idiotic right now. If he manages to pull in another defensive center who can rebound then all of this makes sense.

jeb wrote:can someone tell me about Green. Just dont know much.

Jeb

From Kelly Dwyer at Ball Don't Lie:

On an open roster, we don't know where Jeff Green plays. He's a poor rebounder, an awful defender at the power-forward slot, and he doesn't do enough offensively to warrant a look at small forward. And yet, this doesn't stop him from shooting nearly four 3-pointers a game, despite making only 30 percent of his looks from out there. His shot selection has been an issue since his rookie year, and it's still hard to tell, exactly, where he fits in this league. Other than a guy that seems to luck into getting big minutes and plenty of shot opportunities.

bobheckler wrote:

Pumpsie Green wrote:I'm really fockin miserable,how could Danny do this to this team without consulting any of the Big 3? guarentee this wouldn't fly with KG and Pierce......

Cowens, DA has no obligation to consult with the Big Three. He is the GM, not KG, PP, or RA. They don't get a vote. You cannot GM by committee.
Perhaps you meant "inform prior to informing the media", which could well have happened.
I am still hoping that there is more to come.....

pumpsie,

There almost has to be more. We're at 12 players plus an undersized d-leaguer.

bob

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but the trade deadline has passed, it's cross your fingers and hope Murhpy does get bought out and he picks the Celtics over the Heat and Bulls time. Not a surefire way to improve the team IMO.

jeb wrote:can someone tell me about Green. Just dont know much.

Jeb

jeb,

Stats don't tell the whole story, but here's what they do tell. Go to the section for 'per 36 minutes' to see his effectiveness.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenje02.html

http://hoopshype.com/players/jeff_green.htm

bob

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My main take on Jeff Green this year is from a fantasy perspective since he's on one of our teams.

Overall impression: Either treading water or a bit of a regression from last year instead of the step forward we were hoping for. Up and down with his performance, though he is hardly unique in that regard. His 3-pt (.304) and overall FG (.437) percentage aren't impressive, but does shoot FTs well (.818). Not a stellar rebounder, but does get 5.6 a game.

Mitigating circumstances: The Thunder don't have a significant low-post threat, so teams defend them more aggressively out on the perimeter. That's also a reason why Durant's 3-point shooting percentage is down. With the Celtics' plethora of options, Green should find himself shooting more open jumpers, so his percentage could improve.

As much as I can't stand Hollinger, I think his theory makes some sense. The biggest question mark is what this does to team chemistry. It will be interesting to see how the team portrays this over the next few days.

I think the question we all have is can the Celtics win the championship this year without Perkins.

The answer is yes provided Shaq is healthy come playoff time and we do not get hit with anymore significant injuries. Is it a big gamble? yes..

But this is not just about moving Perk. This is about Delonte West being a reliable 1/2 BU and possible starter if Rondo got hurt. This is about confidence that Von Wafer can play significant BU minutes at the 2 spot. making Nat expendable and providing a nice wing complement to jeff green when they are in the game together. This is about a confidence that KG has returned to his 08 form as a scoring, rebounding and defending machine. This is about protecting PP from fatigue. This is an acknowledgment that Glen Davis has arrived as an intrical part of this team and a finisher that will be in the lineup at the end of games.

You may not like the trade but it works for me. The Celtics have been winning all year long without Perk. There is no reason why they should not be able to do that during the playoffs.

This is also about a bridge to the future as Green is 24 and a high draft pick in 2012 will contribute to continued success for the team.

Harangoody and Semi I liked both of them but lets face it. they were limited and I could not see either one of them becoming full time starters.

Daniels was injury prone before he came to us and has continued to draw the short stick. He had to be moved. The Celtics will be faced with strong competition this year and next from the likes of Miami, Chicago and yes NY. The window for winning with the big three is just about closed up. It is what it is.

go celtics!

dboss

celtic fan wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

Pumpsie Green wrote:I'm really fockin miserable,how could Danny do this to this team without consulting any of the Big 3? guarentee this wouldn't fly with KG and Pierce......

Cowens, DA has no obligation to consult with the Big Three. He is the GM, not KG, PP, or RA. They don't get a vote. You cannot GM by committee.
Perhaps you meant "inform prior to informing the media", which could well have happened.
I am still hoping that there is more to come.....

pumpsie,

There almost has to be more. We're at 12 players plus an undersized d-leaguer.

bob

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but the trade deadline has passed, it's cross your fingers and hope Murhpy does get bought out and he picks the Celtics over the Heat and Bulls time. Not a surefire way to improve the team IMO.

There are other ways to pick up players after the deadline.
You are right: Murphy stinks and I would not want to see him on the team.
Again: THERE BETTER BE MORE TO THIS THAN IS CURRENTLY FINALIZED...or we aren't going to compete with the Lakers or the Heat or the Magic...etc

I think Bob Ryan has a reasonable assessment of the Okla part of the deals.

http://www.boston.com/sports/video/

I suggest everyone take a downer, calm down, and see what happens. Please keep in mind the following:

1. When a player leaves a team, there's no mandate that he be replaced by a clone. Teams of professionals—especially veteran professionals—are equipped to make adjustments. They may alter the defensive scheme in light of what they're left with when the roster is filled. They have options and versatility. Here's an old guy, who's supposed to be set in his ways, advising a lot of younger and presumably more adaptable people to take a few deep breaths before you jump off the nearest bridge.

2. It's entirely possible that the Celtics will give up a few more PPG with Perk gone than has previously been the case. It's entirely possible that they'll also score a few more PPG with their new scoring center than has been the case, resulting in a net change of zero in their scoring plurality. Krystic's reputation is as a more offensive player than Perk, with a nice midrange jumper, good ball-handling ability, and a tendency ALMOST NEVER to turn the ball over. (How refreshing at the center position.) Because Krystic can play outside, the lane may be more open for KG to work his magic closer to the basket.

3. Danny's obviously taking somewhat of a gamble on Shaq's ability. But the trading away of Semih strongly suggests to me that there's a plan in place to add help in the middle.

4. That help could come at least partly in the form of more minutes at center for Glen Davis, who I have felt for some time has been their best center on offense and darned close to Perk as a defensive stopper and defensive rebounder. They've already acquired Green, who apparently can log minutes at either the 3 or 4. Murphy (if he comes here) and Green should be more than sufficient to man the PF position off the bench, freeing Glen to play more center.

5. I'm not suggesting that Shaq alone will be the answer at center. I'm not suggesting that Krystic alone will be the answer. I'm not suggesting that Davis alone will be the answer. I am suggesting that the Celtics may continue playing center by committee as they've been doing all season—just with a different committee. If no additional center is added, it will be up to Doc to rotate his centers carefully and according to matchups. He could very well give Shaq fewer minutes against clubs with mediocre centers, lessening the chance that Shaq will incur an injury from overwork...while giving Shaq more minutes against the bigger centers and/or in bigger games.

6. Danny obviously knew the Celtics were not going to pay Perk what he would require to stay here. It does not necessarily make sense to break the bank for a defensive-minded center who has a suspect knee, a suspect shoulder, and no lift. If Danny had waited until the end of the season for Perk to walk, the Celtics could have wound up with nothing in return. This move enhances both the need for Glen Davis and the ability to pay him. And the Celtics also wind up with a guy who Bob Ryan says is the best of the four players included in that deal—plus a draft pick and perhaps at least a serviceable center.

Please spare me the premature predictions of doom as though it were a different version of last year all over again. How did those prognostications turn out?

You should eat a little. You should drink a little. You should relax and have a good time.

Go Celtics!

Sam

I'm signing off for today. I'm going to my favorite barstool and probably consume a sizable chunk of Outside's beer annuity.

bob

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Sam

Hell I got pain pills for the whole damn board.

Your pal

Jeb

I see several negative posts about Jeff Green. And out come the stats to prove something I guess.

Stats do not mean anything. it is really about how a player fits into a particular system. I think Jeff will fit perfectly into what Boston likes to do.

His shot selection will be governed to a large degree by our magnificent PG. His defensive mindset will be nurtured by Kevin Garnett.

If we only went by stats it would be fair to say that Kendrick Perkins sucks.

Sam,

I know KG doesn't dig it, but he certainly can play some minutes at the center position too against certain linups.

Sam, I still do not see who is going to guard Bynum, Gasol, and Howard.
As far as taking a deep breath and calming down goes, what choice is there? As Belichick says, it is what it is. As fans we have no choice but to kick back and see how the new lineup performs.

As I said before the explanation is simple, DA has gone stark raving mad...
He may be ready for the jacket now....

The Celtics are dressing 8 guys for tonite's game.
Where is Hondo again?

Time to place a bet.... I'll put my money on Danny over the board "Prophets of Doom".
swish