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Kemba Walker Rumors: Celtics Emerging as 'Stealth Suitor' for Hornets PG

Walker would be a great pickup. I’m skeptical that he’d leave Charlotte.

A very talented player. No question about it.

He would have to accept less than what Charlotte can pay him, I think?

That would be nice, especially if it keeps him away from the Lakers.

In many of the sporting goods stores around Charlotte, his shirt and number is the only Hornets version available. He has been the face of the franchise for years.

It has been reported that he would be willing to take less money to stay with the Hornets. Mr. Jordan is too cheap to keep Walker at full max salary.

I don't think that Kemba will be offered a super-max contract from Charlotte.
I think Kemba will want to leave a play for a team that has a chance to win.
The Hornets this year will be a lottery team again and could be one of the worst 5 teams in the league.
He would be a very good signing for Boston.
But, who will their big men be?

Here is a potential pathway for Boston.

The Celtics Active CAP is $66,292,270.  Add in dead cap for Demetrius Jackson, $92,857 which brings them up to $66, 385,127.  Cut Semi lose before July 1 saving $1,618,520 = $64.7 million active cap.  

Sign Walker for $32 million bringing you up to $96.7  sign you rookies Langford and Williams $3,453,720 and $2,376,480.  Renounce all of your CAP holds. Sign Dedmon which will probably cost you between $10-12 million, renounce all of your CAP holds. 

Once the team goes over the CAP they can still use the full MLE as long as they stay below the luxury tax.   Use it to add a veteran PF.

The sequence of when everything happens is not 100$ clear to me but they should have enough CAP space to sign a max guy and enough left over to add a player like Dedmon.

dboss wrote:Here is a potential pathway for Boston.

The Celtics Active CAP is $66,292,270.  Add in dead cap for Demetrius Jackson, $92,857 which brings them up to $66, 385,127.  Cut Semi lose before July 1 saving $1,618,520 = $64.7 million active cap.  

Sign Walker for $32 million bringing you up to $96.7  sign you rookies Langford and Williams $3,453,720 and $2,376,480.  Renounce all of your CAP holds. Sign Dedmon which will probably cost you between $10-12 million, renounce all of your CAP holds. 

Once the team goes over the CAP they can still use the full MLE as long as they stay below the luxury tax.   Use it to add a veteran PF.

The sequence of when everything happens is not 100$ clear to me but they should have enough CAP space to sign a max guy and enough left over to add a player like Dedmon.

You also have to factor in the roster spot holds.
Without Semi but with the two 1st round picks and Kemba, Boston would have 9 players on the roster.
So you would have to add in almost $3.6m more ($897,000 x 4).

Teams first max out their cap space, then use exceptions, the use minimum salaries.

I did factor in the rookies by adding them to the active cap.  Boston has to cut Semi by July 1st or his salary is guaranteed.

Boston could structure a Dedmon deal so they they stay just below the Cap.  They will be adding several minimum contracts to get up to 14 spots and can keep an open roster spot for a move down the road.

dboss wrote:I did factor in the rookies by adding them to the active cap.  Boston has to cut Semi by July 1st or his salary is guaranteed.

Boston could structure a Dedmon deal so they they stay just below the Cap.  They will be adding several minimum contracts to get up to 14 spots and can keep an open roster spot for a move down the road.

The 1st round pick calculations are different from the roster spot holds.
For each empty roster spot below 13, you have to add in $897,000 for each roster spot.
This is part of a teams cap space.
Your idea is still doable and realistic if Dedmon takes about $8m per year which he might.

I really like your thinking dboss. Would we then also be able to sign a MLE for about $8M? We need another big.

worcester wrote:I really like your thinking dboss. Would we then also be able to sign a MLE for about $8M? We need another big.

If a team goes under the salary cap, they can’t use the MLE.
They can use the Room MLE which will be approximately $4,760,000.

Word down here in the ATL is that the Hawks would like to retain him. The numbers I saw were around $9.6 to 12.6 million for 3 years with a ballon payment maybe.

This will be a tight fit depending on what Kemba would accept. Anything is possible.



I do not see Boston getting him for under $12. Mill, However he may bite at the oppirtunity to start. Boston could maybe stucture a deal that increases year 2 and 3 with an eye towards a lower 1st year.

If we exceed the Cap the full mle should be available provided we also stay below the tax threshold.

dboss wrote:If we exceed the Cap the full mle should be available provided we also stay below the tax threshold.

The only way a team can use the full MLE is if they do not drop below the salary cap threshold.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/02/early-mid-level-bi-annual-projections-for-201920.html

I personally cannot see Kemba leaving all that $ on the table to sign with Boston or whoever else wants him. Remember he is 29 years old, a 4 year deal at super max level will set him up for life. Stranger things have happened thoug

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dboss wrote:If we exceed the Cap the full mle should be available provided we also stay below the tax threshold.

I don't think so. only the smaller $4.7M

I am surprised you are into the Kemba signing to be honest...on draft night I thought you were losing your mind when Ainge passed on all the big men?

Signing Kemba will leave little to nothing for a big...but hey we can have a starting lineup of

Kemba
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
and I guess
Smart at Center!

Cowens (6'9"), Silas (6'7"), Hondo (6'5"), Charlie Scott (6'5"), JoJo (6'3")...it can be done. It's about talent and the size of the heart. Proper boxing out technique of course helps.

Ainge bringing back the mid 70's Celtics!

maybe, but he best find a new Dave Cowens, if he wants a lineup like that.

BingBang! wrote:Cowens (6'9"), Silas (6'7"), Hondo (6'5"), Charlie Scott (6'5"), JoJo (6'3")...it can be done. It's about talent and the size of the heart. Proper boxing out technique of course helps.

Weren't those guys measured in bare feet? Now the players are measured wearing shoes. That adds an inch or two, depending on the shoe.

You are correct about heart, talent and skill set. Those guys maxed out in those categories.

Cowens' heart added another six inches.

worcester wrote:Cowens' heart added another six inches.

He could kick ass any era

Every all star game from the 70’s Cowens routinely dominated the boards....

Plus he was a cab driver. I was driving Checker Cab of Cambridge in 1976 when Dave Cowens took his one day tour of Boston as an ITOA driver. Boy, would I have loved to run into him at a cab stand, say in front of the Lenox Hotel or the Parker House!

kdp59 wrote:

dboss wrote:If we exceed the Cap the full mle should be available provided we also stay below the tax threshold.

I don't think so. only the smaller $4.7M

I am surprised you are into the Kemba signing to be honest...on draft night I thought you were losing your mind when Ainge passed on all the big men?

Signing Kemba will leave little to nothing for a big...but hey we can have a starting lineup of

Kemba
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
and I guess
Smart at Center!

kdp59

It may appear that I am into the Kemba Walker signing but looks can be deceiving.  I was just engaging in a pragmatic 'what if' exercise.

My preference would be to use CAP space to sign a legit starting level center like Vuc. And then resign Terry. That would be my #1 plan at this point since NONE of our needs as a team were remotely addressed during a horrible draft.  See!  

My second option would be to sign a less expensive option such as Dedmon.  Dedmon works for me because less disruption with our pick and pop option plus he is just as good of a rebounder and defender as AH while playing less minutes.  Then sign Terry

My 3rd option would be to go after Walker who would be a good replacement for Irving in terms of his production but the cost has to be a big consideration.  Walker would devour the CAP space and make it impossible to sign Dedmon unless the MLE was agreed upon.

If anybody out there thinks Bostons offense will not be hurt by the departure of Irving you may be in for a big surprise.  

The smaller MLE is for teams below the CAP,  The full MLE is for teams over the CAP but below the tax level.  The tax payer MLE  is for tax paying teams. 

The full MLE this year will be around $9,246,000  ( That can be offered for up to 4 years with annual 5% increases).

Boston should be able to go slightly over the CAP and use the full MLE.  Atlanta is already prepared to Use the Full MLE and could even resign Ddemon using Cap space.