Re: The Josh Jackson Thread

[fierce]

Right now Fultz is more of a sure thing.

With Josh Jackson, there's a chance he might end up the next Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

No chance. He's already much better than MKG. That's how bad these "draft experts" are at scouting. They don't even actually scout, they just pick the guy with the flashier college stats and declare that he's "safer".

That's why they ranked Hield above Jaylen Brown last year, because Hield was "safe" and "draft experts" aren't experts.

The only reason scouts are even saying that Jackson is a bad shooter is because he had that reputation from high school, and that reputation feels "safer" to these morons than Jackson's lights out shooting from 3.

Fultz padded stats on a bad team, doing nothing in the way of leadership or inspiration to actually make his team better. People don't stop to think about situation, and how others would have done in that same situation. It requires too much imagination, like actually thinking about how these guys are going to translate to the NBA.

That's just your opinion.

Only way you're going to convince anybody that Josh Jackson is a superstar in the NBA, for sure, is if you have a DeLorean and you've already been to the future, like Marty McFly.

[Rmbone]

"Unless you're going to tell me that Josh Jackson will end up being GOAT, Fultz is still the best pick for a number reasons."

By that logic Sam Bowie must be the second best player of all time. Jackson doesn't need to be the best player ever to deserve being picked over Fultz and Lonzo Ball. He only needs to be better than Fultz and Ball, and he already is, and he has the superior competitiveness, body, and athleticism to stay that way.

I'll stop talking about it, but wait and you'll see.

[Rmbone]

Buddy Hield age: 23.5
Jaylen Brown age: 20.6

Athleticism: Huge advantage Jaylen Brown.
Defense: Huge advantage Jaylen Brown
Scoring at rim: Huge advantage Jaylen Brown
3 point shooting: Hield: 39% Jaylen: 34.1%

OK, lets give it two years. Hield will be pushing 26.

[fierce]

Buddy Hield age: 23.5
Jaylen Brown age: 20.6

Athleticism: Huge advantage Jaylen Brown.
Defense: Huge advantage Jaylen Brown
Scoring at rim: Huge advantage Jaylen Brown
3 point shooting: Hield: 39%   Jaylen: 34.1%

OK, lets give it two years. Hield will be pushing 26.

That's moving the goal post.

Who said anything about age.

The point is you don't make conclusions after just 1 year.

If we just base it on 1 year then there would be ZERO chance Nowitzki ending up being better than LaFrentz.

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FULTZ, THE REST IS JUST A COLLEGE FACULTY LOUNGE DEBATE!

HE HAS IT ALL - WING SPAN AT 6'9" - A SHOT - A PLAY MAKER - A FINISHER.

ENOUGH SAID...............AND THE CELTIC SELECT WITH ITS #1 PICK FULTZ!

ANYTHING LESS AND DANNY NEEDS TO BE COMMITTED TO THE PSY WARD AT MASS GENERAL!

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[NYCelt]

Fultz padded stats on a bad team, doing nothing in the way of leadership or inspiration to actually make his team better. People don't stop to think about situation, and how others would have done in that same situation. It requires too much imagination, like actually thinking about how these guys are going to translate to the NBA.

That's actually an undeserved knock on Fultz. As an 18-year old frosh he managed to work well with a team populated by some upper classmen and players older than him. I'd say his performance all year, given the circumstance of his team's limited ability, was highly inspirational in and of itself.

[Rmbone]

Fultz padded stats on a bad team, doing nothing in the way of leadership or inspiration to actually make his team better. People don't stop to think about situation, and how others would have done in that same situation. It requires too much imagination, like actually thinking about how these guys are going to translate to the NBA.

That's actually an undeserved knock on Fultz.  As an 18-year old frosh he managed to work well with a team populated by some upper classmen and players older than him.  I'd say his performance all year, given the circumstance of his team's limited ability, was highly inspirational in and of itself.

He had the ball in his hands all game, every game. A rather unique situation, and very unlike Josh Jackson playing alongside the Naismith POY and getting a limited number of shots and touches.

I watched most Washington games, and Fultz isn't a leader. He's emotionally flat and not very competitive. He's a good tough shot maker, but I prefer shots at the rim and easy shots elsewhere. Ball movement creates easy shots, dominating the ball creates the need for tough shots.

DeMar DeRozan is a great tough shot maker, and he scores a ton of points, but he doesn't actually make the Raptors much better.

[fierce]

Fultz padded stats on a bad team, doing nothing in the way of leadership or inspiration to actually make his team better. People don't stop to think about situation, and how others would have done in that same situation. It requires too much imagination, like actually thinking about how these guys are going to translate to the NBA.

That's actually an undeserved knock on Fultz.  As an 18-year old frosh he managed to work well with a team populated by some upper classmen and players older than him.  I'd say his performance all year, given the circumstance of his team's limited ability, was highly inspirational in and of itself.

He had the ball in his hands all game, every game. A rather unique situation, and very unlike Josh Jackson playing alongside the Naismith POY and getting a limited number of shots and touches.

I watched most Washington games, and Fultz isn't a leader. He's emotionally flat and not very competitive. He's a good tough shot maker, but I prefer shots at the rim and easy shots elsewhere. Ball movement creates easy shots, dominating the ball creates the need for tough shots.

DeMar DeRozan is a great tough shot maker, and he scores a ton of points, but he doesn't actually make the Raptors much better.

That's not a fair statement.

You really think the Raps would make the playoffs without DeRozan?

I know Fultz gives the impression that he's emotionally flat, but we only saw him one year in Washington.

The impression that Josh Jackson gave me is he wants to beat up women.
That's why he's going to anger management.

[NYCelt]

Rambone,

I also watched a number of Washington games, and that wasn't my impression at all.  I'd say he's not emotionally flat, but rather shows a quiet confidence that's ahead of his years.  He seems extremely confident for a young guy and has a multi-dimensional game that is also far ahead of his age.  He looks to me to be still building his already NBA level skills rapidly.

Regards

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SAM JONES WAS QUIET!

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[kdp59]

the difference between FACT and opinion, seems to sometimes get lost in sports discussion.

no one here is an NBA scout (anyone who is please speak up).

the consensus is that Fultz is the best player in this draft. However we won;t know until draft what REAL NBA teams think.

we also don't know how much separates Fultz from other possible picks , including Jackson, Tatum, Ball and Fox. which can all make for spirited OPINION.

now back to the debate!

[NYCelt]

the difference between FACT and opinion, seems to sometimes get lost in sports discussion.

no one here is an NBA scout (anyone who is please speak up).

the consensus is that Fultz is the best player in this draft. However we won;t know until draft what REAL NBA teams think.

we also don't know how much separates Fultz from other possible picks , including Jackson, Tatum, Ball and Fox. which can all make for spirited OPINION.

now back to the debate!

kdp,

Exactly!

Regards

[gyso]

the difference between FACT and opinion, seems to sometimes get lost in sports discussion.

no one here is an NBA scout (anyone who is please speak up).

the consensus is that Fultz is the best player in this draft. However we won;t know until draft what REAL NBA teams think.

we also don't know how much separates Fultz from other possible picks , including Jackson, Tatum, Ball and Fox. which can all make for spirited OPINION.

now back to the debate!

BobC has a dog named Scout.  Does that count?

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SAM JONES WAS QUIET!

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As were Sanders Hondo Jo Jo and many more.

Lots of hired guns are.

beat

[bobheckler]

SAM JONES WAS QUIET!

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Except for when he taunted Wilt by telling him "TOO LATE!!".


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[Rmbone]

The arc of history is long, but it bends towards Josh Jackson:

Jalen Rose: Josh Jackson Is Most Valuable Player In NBA Draft

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SAM JONES WAS QUIET!

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Except for when he taunted Wilt by telling him "TOO LATE!!".


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"Wilton Norman Chamberlain, you've got to come out here."

[bobheckler]

The arc of history is long, but it bends towards Josh Jackson:

Jalen Rose: Josh Jackson Is Most Valuable Player In NBA Draft

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[gyso]

BobH,

I think the intro to the Big Bang Theory TV show ends with a Josh Jackson slam-dunk.

gyso

[Rmbone]

Josh Jackson went to Rucker Park

[Rmbone]

Magic said that only Lonzo Ball reminds Magic of himself, I honestly think Magic is pulling a classic no-look fake-out, and he's hoping Jackson falls to the Lakers.


Magic and Jackson even both grew up in Michigan, Magic in Lansing and Jackson in Detroit. And Jackson's point guard/forward potential is extremely under-rated. Same height as Magic, similar athleticism, exact same competitiveness, with great handles and passing for their size. Magic is the better passer, of course, but Jackson is very talented in that skill for a 6'8 guy.

[bobheckler]

Time to revive this thread, unless Danny trades the pick (don't blink, you might miss it!).






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[Rmbone]

I said it elsewhere and I'll say it again, Jackson is just as talented a scorer as Fultz, maybe even more so. It will show up more clearly at the next level when there's more spacing and athleticism is at a premium. Jackson has a complete scoring arsenal, from post scoring to step backs to dribble drives, to spot up 3 point shooting, to finishing at the rim 12 feet up in the air with either hand.

Fultz is good at making tough 2 point jump shots, the least desirable shot in the game. That's why Jackson and Fultz had the same true shooting %, even though most of Fultz's shots were in blowout losses when the other team's defense weren't even trying hard.

[Rmbone]

Jackson shot timid and poorly at the beginning of his freshman season, because he was adjusting to playing a brand new position (PF) at the college level. Once he got comfortable, he shot much more confidently, and was red hot the rest of the year. 44% in conference play (entire 2nd half of the season), but jokers want to declare he can't shoot.

As far as the FTs, most of his misses were off the back of the rim, dead center. That's just nerves. A couple deep breaths and he's all set. It would be a completely different story if his misses were scattered all over the place.

He's a really intense competitor, and he'd get too intense at the FT line. Just needs to relax, and learn to leave the first shot a little short to compensate for anxiousness.

I'm not saying he'll be a lights out shooter from the top of the key, but I already know he'll be rock solid from the corner 3, and he'll probably shoot over 33% from the top of the key in short order.

And he'll be a great finisher around the rim. He already is. Much moreso than Fultz.

[NYCelt]

Of course, If LA now takes Jackson, this all becomes moot.

Maybe it should be the SF thread.

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