Re: Here Comes Malcolm There Goes Theis and Nesmith

by **gyso** Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:57 pm

Bob,

You wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Financially he's making $22.6M this year and it's the last year of his contract. Good and/or bad, depending upon how well he fits. If he doesn't then he's a nice expiring contract for the trading deadline. If he does then he'll be expensive to resign because he's had a taste of what a north-of $20M paycheck is like.

See my post above. Spotrac indicates his contract runs for three more seasons.

by **dboss** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:00 pm

With all the guys heading out the door look for Brad to hang the help wanted sign out.

Cheap NB Players Needed

by **dboss** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:04 pm

bobheckler wrote:Nesmith, we hardly knew ya. That's because you never delivered on your NBA calling card, your shooting.

Sorry to see Theis go, I've been a fan of his from the first time I heard he was considering coming over from Germany to join us (board member 'international' was the one who first alerted us to this) but well, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, including good eggs like Daniel.

The other players weren't making the roster anyway, I doubt they'll stick with Indy either, I think they're just salary filler.

Brogdon is a solid player. Not particularly athletically gifted but a smart player. Crafty might be a good description. He understands the NBA game and how to get his defender where he wants him. He averaged 19.1ppg last year with Indy. He's a career 37.6% 3pt shooter but only shot 31.2% last year. This is strange because he shot 38.8% the year before that. He's an 88% career frito shooter. Gotta love that. Look at our roster and you'll see a lot of good frito shooters now.

Career
Pritchard - 92.4% (he was 100%, 21-21, last season. He was 88.9% the year before)
Brogdon 88%
Gallinari 88%
White 85%
Tatum 84.4%
Smart 78%
Horford - 75.9% (but 84% last year and 81% the year before that. He improved with age and practice)

Even Jaylen Brown and Robert Williams, both of whom were execreble frito shooters when they came into the league, and now both shooting in the 70s (Brown 75.8% and RWill 72% last year). Hauser didn't take any NBA ftas last season but he averaged 88% in college and 80% in Maine.

He's a good size, 6'5", 229#, 6'11" wingspan. He's also slightly on the right side of 30 years old. I like this. He's still in his prime but his NBA learning curve, other than Ime's system, is flat. He was a 4 year player at Virginia and was a 24 year old NBA rookie with Milwaukee. He has played a total of 333 NBA games in 6 seasons. I think it's safe to say he has overachieved as a #36 pick in 2016

Financially he's making $22.6M this year and it's the last year of his contract. Good and/or bad, depending upon how well he fits. If he doesn't then he's a nice expiring contract for the trading deadline. If he does then he'll be expensive to resign because he's had a taste of what a north-of $20M paycheck is like.

He averaged 5.9 assists and 2.1 turnovers per game last season, 2.8:1. That's really good.

I've considered him a mediocre defender, made so by his mediocre athleticism. We'll see what he's like now. Him and Gallinari. Man, we will definitely see what Brad hath wrought on the defensive end. Hopefully, I'm being an idiot.

According to an NBA Trade Machine we added $4.3M in salary. I doubt it. I'm expecting Brad using some of one of the TPEs to offset that. The Trade Machine also says we are a +2 in wins after this. +7.1 in offense and +.56 on defense.

Depth Chart, old school, as of right now:

PG - Smart, White, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Brogdon, Hauser (rumor is this is under negotiation)
SF - Tatum
PF - Horford, GWill, Gallinari
C - RWill

Who am I leaving out?

As I have it we are no longer 8 deep before going iffy, we're 10 deep.

If Brad traded Theis he must be feeling good about Bryant coming here. No way Kornet can replace Theis. Nope. Not gonna happen.

Bob

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Bob

Since when is Sam Hauser a shooting guard?

by **bobheckler** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:04 pm

gyso wrote:Bob,

You wrote:

bobheckler wrote:Financially he's making $22.6M this year and it's the last year of his contract. Good and/or bad, depending upon how well he fits. If he doesn't then he's a nice expiring contract for the trading deadline. If he does then he'll be expensive to resign because he's had a taste of what a north-of $20M paycheck is like.

See my post above. Spotrac indicates his contract runs for three more seasons.

gyso,

Didn't scroll down the page and see the 2 years of extensions.

Thanks,

Bob

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by **bobheckler** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:05 pm

dboss wrote:
bobheckler wrote:Nesmith, we hardly knew ya. That's because you never delivered on your NBA calling card, your shooting.

Sorry to see Theis go, I've been a fan of his from the first time I heard he was considering coming over from Germany to join us (board member 'international' was the one who first alerted us to this) but well, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, including good eggs like Daniel.

The other players weren't making the roster anyway, I doubt they'll stick with Indy either, I think they're just salary filler.

Brogdon is a solid player. Not particularly athletically gifted but a smart player. Crafty might be a good description. He understands the NBA game and how to get his defender where he wants him. He averaged 19.1ppg last year with Indy. He's a career 37.6% 3pt shooter but only shot 31.2% last year. This is strange because he shot 38.8% the year before that. He's an 88% career frito shooter. Gotta love that. Look at our roster and you'll see a lot of good frito shooters now.

Career
Pritchard - 92.4% (he was 100%, 21-21, last season. He was 88.9% the year before)
Brogdon 88%
Gallinari 88%
White 85%
Tatum 84.4%
Smart 78%
Horford - 75.9% (but 84% last year and 81% the year before that. He improved with age and practice)

Even Jaylen Brown and Robert Williams, both of whom were execreble frito shooters when they came into the league, and now both shooting in the 70s (Brown 75.8% and RWill 72% last year). Hauser didn't take any NBA ftas last season but he averaged 88% in college and 80% in Maine.

He's a good size, 6'5", 229#, 6'11" wingspan. He's also slightly on the right side of 30 years old. I like this. He's still in his prime but his NBA learning curve, other than Ime's system, is flat. He was a 4 year player at Virginia and was a 24 year old NBA rookie with Milwaukee. He has played a total of 333 NBA games in 6 seasons. I think it's safe to say he has overachieved as a #36 pick in 2016

Financially he's making $22.6M this year and it's the last year of his contract. Good and/or bad, depending upon how well he fits. If he doesn't then he's a nice expiring contract for the trading deadline. If he does then he'll be expensive to resign because he's had a taste of what a north-of $20M paycheck is like.

He averaged 5.9 assists and 2.1 turnovers per game last season, 2.8:1. That's really good.

I've considered him a mediocre defender, made so by his mediocre athleticism. We'll see what he's like now. Him and Gallinari. Man, we will definitely see what Brad hath wrought on the defensive end. Hopefully, I'm being an idiot.

According to an NBA Trade Machine we added $4.3M in salary. I doubt it. I'm expecting Brad using some of one of the TPEs to offset that. The Trade Machine also says we are a +2 in wins after this. +7.1 in offense and +.56 on defense.

Depth Chart, old school, as of right now:

PG - Smart, White, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Brogdon, Hauser (rumor is this is under negotiation)
SF - Tatum
PF - Horford, GWill, Gallinari
C - RWill

Who am I leaving out?

As I have it we are no longer 8 deep before going iffy, we're 10 deep.

If Brad traded Theis he must be feeling good about Bryant coming here. No way Kornet can replace Theis. Nope. Not gonna happen.

Bob

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Bob

Since when is Sam Hauser a shooting guard?

DBoss,

Yeah, he's probably a SF.

Bob

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by **gyso** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:08 pm

Bob,

Also from Spotrac.

Here Comes Malcolm There Goes Theis and Nesmith - Page 2 Scree339

It says Upcoming Contract Extension. What does that mean, he already signed it?

by **RosalieTCeltics** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:09 pm

I always thought Brogden was a terrific piece on a championship team. Milwaukee learned the hard way letting him walk. Big mistake, he fits nicely. I thought that White could not be shipped out right now. I would like to see them get a big and settle down. Too bad Daniel, I always liked you. As far as Neismith is concerned, how can we be upset, we never really saw what he could accomplish game after game. He was not going to get a chance here. Good luck to him I hope he succeeds

by **gyso** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:15 pm

I just had to share this find:

Here Comes Malcolm There Goes Theis and Nesmith - Page 2 6li6uh10

by **gyso** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:22 pm

by **bobheckler** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:23 pm

gyso wrote:I just had to share this find:

gyso,

Excellent, and more than a little true.

Bob

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by **dboss** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:24 pm

gyso wrote:Bob,

Also from Spotrac.

It says Upcoming Contract Extension. What does that mean, he already signed it?

The extension has not kicked in yet. He still has one more year on his old deal.

by **jrleftfoot** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:28 pm

I'm loving today's newa. Looking forward to see what the Purdue centwr's got in summer league.

by **bobheckler** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:28 pm

gyso wrote:

I'd like to say this was the steal of free agency so far but the Dejounte Murray trade to Atlanta might have nosed it out. Not by much, though.

Getting Gallinari for the MLE might be #3.

Turns out Brad's pretty good at this GMing stuff...

I don't think he's done yet, though. I don't know what's next but we're now $17M over the tax line. That would make our luxury tax bill $35M. Brad's gonna shed some $. Don't know how he's moving that much off the books but I cannot see him ending up there. I just hope he doesn't start doing stupid stuff.

Bob

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by **BaronV** Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:57 pm

bobheckler wrote:Gary Washburn @GwashburnGlobe
about 52 minutes ago
Brad Stevens was able to clear out his ineffective bench and acquire another playmaker at the same time. It’s obvious he doesn’t value draft picks as much as his predecessor Danny Ainge. #Celtics

Bob
MY NOTE: Uh, yep. Maybe that's because Brad was the one who had to decide whether to put them in the game or not and Danny didn't. We are now seeing, perhaps, the biggest single difference between the Ainge and Stevens Eras.

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Also, it's a different mindset with where the team is. We just missed winning the championship by 2 games. That calls for 'win now' roster construction. If we have to give away a few future picks for that, it's the cost of doing business. No one we'd draft at the end of the 1st round where we expect to be for the next few years with this core is going to come in and play a significant role in winning a championship. Danny didn't have that since he traded PP and KG away. The IT team overachieved, and wasn't really a title contender at that point. The current roster is, and likely will be for the next few years barring injuries.

by **RosalieTCeltics** Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:10 pm

lots of movement around the League. Looks like Rudy Gobert may be heading to Minny, they wiped out half a bench and gave draft picks.

it looks like Indy wanted Grant, and Brad would not give him up.

by **gyso** Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:13 pm

I just saw this:

Boston Celtics get:
Malcolm Brogdon
2024 lottery-protected first-round pick

Indiana Pacers get:
Nik Stauskas
Malik Fitts
Juwan Morgan
Daniel Theis
Aaron Nesmith
2023 first-round pick

One unprotected pick out, one protected pick back in the following year.

Here Comes Malcolm There Goes Theis and Nesmith - Page 2 I7gbwm10

by **cowens/oldschool** Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:16 pm

jrleftfoot wrote:I'm loving today's newa. Looking forward to see what the Purdue centwr's got in summer league.

Oh right forgot about him, he’s a big

by **RosalieTCeltics** Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:18 pm

I am sitting here crying I am laughing so hard, where do you find this stuff. gyso, you always make me smile

by **dboss** Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:13 pm

gyso wrote:I just saw this:

Boston Celtics get:
Malcolm Brogdon
2024 lottery-protected first-round pick

Indiana Pacers get:
Nik Stauskas
Malik Fitts
Juwan Morgan
Daniel Theis
Aaron Nesmith
2023 first-round pick

One unprotected pick out, one protected pick back in the following year.

I think by 2024 Indy could be a playoff team. Either way that pick is a tradeable asset.

by **worcester** Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:22 pm

So basically Jaylen and Malcolm will be running the NBAPA now from Boston.

by **worcester** Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:27 pm

Thanks Brad for a super upgrade.

by **prakash** Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:43 pm

gyso wrote:I just saw this:

Boston Celtics get:
Malcolm Brogdon
2024 lottery-protected first-round pick

Indiana Pacers get:
Nik Stauskas
Malik Fitts
Juwan Morgan
Daniel Theis
Aaron Nesmith
2023 first-round pick

One unprotected pick out, one protected pick back in the following year.

Somehow getting back a protected first does not make sense. That must have been mis-reported.

by **Ktron** Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:24 pm

I like it.

by **gyso** Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:41 pm

prakash wrote:
gyso wrote:I just saw this:

Boston Celtics get:
Malcolm Brogdon
2024 lottery-protected first-round pick

Indiana Pacers get:
Nik Stauskas
Malik Fitts
Juwan Morgan
Daniel Theis
Aaron Nesmith
2023 first-round pick

One unprotected pick out, one protected pick back in the following year.

Somehow getting back a protected first does not make sense. That must have been mis-reported.

You may be right. I have searched many sites to verify the 2024 pick inclusion, but came up empty.

by **bobheckler** Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:05 pm

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 5 hours ago
League sources tell MassLive that 2023 first round pick the Celtics are trading in Malcolm Brogdon deal is top-12 protected. If it doesn't convey this year, Pacers get a second-round pick instead.

Mark Murphy @Murf56
about 4 hours ago
Per source - C’s goal is to continue with double big lineup, and that Malcolm Brogdon is viewed as a sixth man, behind Marcus Smart

Bob
MY NOTE: How do you build Champions? By getting starters on other teams to come off your bench because your starting lineup is so good they can't crack it. We now have Derrick White, who started for the Spurs, and Malcolm Brogdon, who has started for the Bucks and Pacers, coming off our bench.

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