kemba Traded to Thunder

dboss wrote:

Ktron wrote:

dboss wrote:

Ktron wrote:

dboss wrote:

Shamrock1000 wrote:

dboss wrote:

Clearly the next move will be for a PG with TT being the very tradeable contract that anchors another deal.  Look for Semi and Kornet to also be let go.  If the Celtics go for a top rated PG look for Marcus to also be in the deal along with TT and don't forget we still have $11 million remaining on the big TPE plus several smaller but very useful TPE's to wager.

That was one of the first thoughts that popped into my head, at least the TT part - didn't consider throwing in Marcus for a top PG....

Rock

The Marcus inclusion is highly speculative.

I just do not know if Marcus is the  guy that you want to or should resign.  I just do not see them resigning Fournier this year and then Marcus next year.  If you cannot make a deal for a PG using TT and something else Marcus could be in the picture and we could be looking at a guy like Brogdon in Indiana.  I could see a 3 team deal with Turner going to the 3rd team.  Put the 6'5" Brogdon at the point keep Evan and pick who starts at center.  That would be a very interesting team.

If Boston decides to retain Fournier Marcus will likely be traded.  TT has to be traded because we do not need him with the addition of AH and Moses.  So he is gone but I just do not know where.  The clock is ticking on the next move.

Al has a very friendly contract when you consider the nonguaranteed element in year two.  So down the road we may be looking at a center rotation of two very athletic centers that fit a long timeline into the future (the law firm of Williams and Brown defenders of the paint)

Dboss, Sooooo TT and Marcus Smart for Malcolm Brogden? I’ll have whatever you’ve  been smoking. Geez us!

absolutely!

Malcolm Brogdon was the FA guard that Danny should have went after instead of Kemba.  TT would not get you Brogdon and Marcus Smart would not either.  As a PKG deal the numbers are close enough to work something out.  TT is clearly not going to be here this year and Boston has to choose between the prospect of resigning Marcus or keeping EF.

Brogdon is a 6' 5" PG.  Averaged 21.2 PPG as well as 5.3 rebounds and 5.9 assists.  He also shot 39% from deep and he is closed friends with Jaylen (both from the ATL)

So yes I would make this deal.  Marcus is not an everyday starting PG and that as of today is our #1 positional need.  

If we screw around and just get some half baked veteran PG we are not going to go very far next year.  And this will give PP another year or 2 to be even more ready since you do not think he is ready now.  

This is just my trade idea and I'm sure Boston will go in a direct direction but on paper it works and even the forbidden eye test tells me Brogdon is a flat out baller.

Dude hasn’t played a full season since he’s been in the league


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Tell ya what, Get a league going in Atlanta bring lil Lame Lamont Brogdon with you and I’ll move there. I’d love to coach against you.  LOL!

Well then the Celtics should feel real comfortable trading Marcus Smart who has also had more than his share of injuries.  The pot should not call the kettle black since both of their asses are getting burnt.

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dboss wrote:

Shamrock1000 wrote:Question - would Danny have done this trade? Was Danny involved, or is this truly Brad's first move as President? Given Danny's history, it seems like giving up the first would have killed him...

This trade may have just been done but I know Danny was in the middle of it.  Danny said that he would still be working with Brad during the transition period.  There is no way in hell that Brad pulled this one off by himself.

The draft pick was a given because of the size of Kemba's contract.  In another thread I mention the pick as being needed to make a deal work so i am not at all surprised. And I am sure everybody realizes that there are plenty of children to feed already.  This team can live without a 16th pick this year.  Don't be shocked if another one heads out the door if Boston has their sights set on a certain PG.

dboss wrote:

Shamrock1000 wrote:Question - would Danny have done this trade? Was Danny involved, or is this truly Brad's first move as President? Given Danny's history, it seems like giving up the first would have killed him...

This trade may have just been done but I know Danny was in the middle of it.  Danny said that he would still be working with Brad during the transition period.  There is no way in hell that Brad pulled this one off by himself.

The draft pick was a given because of the size of Kemba's contract.  In another thread I mention the pick as being needed to make a deal work so i am not at all surprised. And I am sure everybody realizes that there are plenty of children to feed already.  This team can live without a 16th pick this year.  Don't be shocked if another one heads out the door if Boston has their sights set on a certain PG.

bobheckler wrote:I just realized something about Moses Brown.  40.4% of his total rebounds were offensive last season.  By comparison Tristan Thompson is 38.3% and RWill is 37.7%.   Enes Kanter, whom we all know was a beast on the offensive glass for us, was "only" 37.8% the year he was in Boston.

I think I'm falling in love.                                                       I think Moses makes a damn good 16th pick and he is only, what, 21?


Bob


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dboss wrote:

Ktron wrote:

dboss wrote:

Ktron wrote:

dboss wrote:

Ktron wrote:

dboss wrote:

Shamrock1000 wrote:

dboss wrote:

Clearly the next move will be for a PG with TT being the very tradeable contract that anchors another deal.  Look for Semi and Kornet to also be let go.  If the Celtics go for a top rated PG look for Marcus to also be in the deal along with TT and don't forget we still have $11 million remaining on the big TPE plus several smaller but very useful TPE's to wager.

That was one of the first thoughts that popped into my head, at least the TT part - didn't consider throwing in Marcus for a top PG....

Rock

The Marcus inclusion is highly speculative.

I just do not know if Marcus is the  guy that you want to or should resign.  I just do not see them resigning Fournier this year and then Marcus next year.  If you cannot make a deal for a PG using TT and something else Marcus could be in the picture and we could be looking at a guy like Brogdon in Indiana.  I could see a 3 team deal with Turner going to the 3rd team.  Put the 6'5" Brogdon at the point keep Evan and pick who starts at center.  That would be a very interesting team.

If Boston decides to retain Fournier Marcus will likely be traded.  TT has to be traded because we do not need him with the addition of AH and Moses.  So he is gone but I just do not know where.  The clock is ticking on the next move.

Al has a very friendly contract when you consider the nonguaranteed element in year two.  So down the road we may be looking at a center rotation of two very athletic centers that fit a long timeline into the future (the law firm of Williams and Brown defenders of the paint)

Dboss, Sooooo TT and Marcus Smart for Malcolm Brogden? I’ll have whatever you’ve  been smoking. Geez us!

absolutely!

Malcolm Brogdon was the FA guard that Danny should have went after instead of Kemba.  TT would not get you Brogdon and Marcus Smart would not either.  As a PKG deal the numbers are close enough to work something out.  TT is clearly not going to be here this year and Boston has to choose between the prospect of resigning Marcus or keeping EF.

Brogdon is a 6' 5" PG.  Averaged 21.2 PPG as well as 5.3 rebounds and 5.9 assists.  He also shot 39% from deep and he is closed friends with Jaylen (both from the ATL)

So yes I would make this deal.  Marcus is not an everyday starting PG and that as of today is our #1 positional need.  

If we screw around and just get some half baked veteran PG we are not going to go very far next year.  And this will give PP another year or 2 to be even more ready since you do not think he is ready now.  

This is just my trade idea and I'm sure Boston will go in a direct direction but on paper it works and even the forbidden eye test tells me Brogdon is a flat out baller.

Dude hasn’t played a full season since he’s been in the league


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03/04/2020 Hip
01/25/2020 Concussion
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12/30/2019 Left Hamstring
12/23/2019 Groin
12/07/2019 Hand
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Tell ya what, Get a league going in Atlanta bring lil Lame Lamont Brogdon with you and I’ll move there. I’d love to coach against you.  LOL!

Well then the Celtics should feel real comfortable trading Marcus Smart who has also had more than his share of injuries.  The pot should not call the kettle black since both of their asses are getting burnt.

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01/25/2020 Left Hand Sprain
01/17/2020 Ankle
12/09/2019 Eye
12/01/2019 Abdomen
11/18/2019 Sprained Right Ankle
04/08/2019 Oblique
03/13/2019 Illness
01/28/2019 Laceration
01/14/2019 Illness
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Yeah but your the one who wants to trade wheelchairs not me. If you’re going to make a trade please try and be sure it’s an upgrade. This is not.

Fuuny.   One wheelchair is self-propelled and the other one is not.  

Ktron in all seriousness.  The Celtics will need to add a PG.  They can either get a BU type veteran to add depth or go find a lead starting level PG unless you think Smart or PP can be our starting PG.

I do not think Marcus can be our starting PG.  I do not need to see him play another game to already know that.  I think PP could start over Marcus but PP still needs more seasoning.  

When Marcus was drafted we had Rondo and when Rondo got traded Danny went and got IT and then KI and then KW.  At no point have the Celtics believed that MS is their solution for their PG needs.  

So who is out there that makes sense and what do you move to make that happen.

bobheckler wrote:1.  Danny was famous for calling every, single GM in the league on the phone and talking with them about players at least once per month.  He always knew who liked whom and what GM X would give up to acquire Player Y.  I find it unlikely that there were no conversations around this trade while Danny was GM.  That would be contrary to everything we know about Trader Danny.

2.  Based upon numerous reports the way things worked was, while Danny called them and schmoozed, the real dealmaker was Mike Zarren.  He's the one who vetted every deal for cap feasibility and, in order for that to happen, specific players (and their contracts) have to be identified.  Danny might say 'yeah' or 'nay' as to whether he wanted this player or that one included, or let's tweak it for draft picks, but that came only after Zarren gave the deal salary cap life by defining the key players/contracts being moved.  Let's not forget how many times, over 18 years, the CBA was changed specifically because Trader Danny pulled off a coup using some obscure loophole in the CBA (e.g. trading Gary Payton to Atlanta, where he was waived, and then Danny resigned him immediately.  They changed the CBA so that can't happen like that anymore).  Well, that wasn't really Danny who pulled that Payton razzle-dazzle off, he's not the CBA guru.  It was Zarren.  I've said many times that I would rather lose Danny than Zarren, and that my biggest fear about Brad getting Danny's job is that Zarren would feel slighted and leave for greener pastures because there's a line of franchises around the block waiting and hoping they could scoop him up.  If we still have Zarren, Brad will be ok.  If we lose him, then we're going down a dark tunnel Brad or no Brad.  Mike Zarren is the linchpin to our longterm progress and success.  Danny and Brad were/are the front office conductors, but Zarren's the engine that actually moves the train.

3.  The tensions we are now reading about between Brad and Kemba didn't get Danny to pull the trigger on this deal before the trade deadline, did it?  Danny knew our defense wasn't good this year, everybody knew that, and I'm sure he had discussions with Brad about what the front office could do to help (although Danny is a very astute basketball observer and can see who's putting in the work and who isn't).  I'm sure it was available, Horford was already relegated to the bench to develop Brown so giving him, and his contract, up would have been a Godsend for Sam Presti and that is perhaps even more true the sooner the better.  If Presti could have gotten Kemba with a couple of days or a week before the trade deadline he could have gotten a quick flip on the deal by sending Walker to a playoff team, as a finishing touch, and getting more of his draft picks and maybe even a player he wants (who he can trade this offseason, or who is an expiring contract which would mean he unloaded both Horford and Walker's big contracts and gained a ton of draft picks, which would be front office genius).

So, in summary, I think the suggestion that Danny had nothing to do with the Walker trade forgets how active Danny was, normally, in seeking out trades.  I also think that the suggestion that "this was Danny's trade" ignores that he could have made this deal, but didn't, and it's Brad who really was the one who was done with Kemba.  There was no requirement for Danny to retire the day after we exited the playoffs.  He could have waited a week, closed this deal and then left.  That means that there would be no hard feelings against Brad starting off in his new job, he could say "don't look at me, Danny was still the GM!".  Even if all parties agreed it was time for Danny to leave he wasn't so universally despised he had to be walked out the door the very next day.  He could have kept the title and job for another week to finish this.  Who knows?  If we're going down the speculative rabbit hole maybe Danny resisted making this trade and that's why he was "retired" so quickly?  If that's true then this really is Brad's trade and not Danny's.

Zarren fleshed out the deal a while back, Danny knew all about it but didn't pull the trigger, Brad came in and said "we need to move the player who didn't play defense for me last year, so let's see if we can solidify this offer that's been on the table from OKC".  He took a couple of weeks to get his feet underneath himself before the deal was announced.  The deal doesn't really exist until both sides agree to do it, preliminary discussions don't count nor matter.  This is how I'm seeing it all played out.


Bob


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Ktron wrote:

bobheckler wrote:1.  Danny was famous for calling every, single GM in the league on the phone and talking with them about players at least once per month.  He always knew who liked whom and what GM X would give up to acquire Player Y.  I find it unlikely that there were no conversations around this trade while Danny was GM.  That would be contrary to everything we know about Trader Danny.

2.  Based upon numerous reports the way things worked was, while Danny called them and schmoozed, the real dealmaker was Mike Zarren.  He's the one who vetted every deal for cap feasibility and, in order for that to happen, specific players (and their contracts) have to be identified.  Danny might say 'yeah' or 'nay' as to whether he wanted this player or that one included, or let's tweak it for draft picks, but that came only after Zarren gave the deal salary cap life by defining the key players/contracts being moved.  Let's not forget how many times, over 18 years, the CBA was changed specifically because Trader Danny pulled off a coup using some obscure loophole in the CBA (e.g. trading Gary Payton to Atlanta, where he was waived, and then Danny resigned him immediately.  They changed the CBA so that can't happen like that anymore).  Well, that wasn't really Danny who pulled that Payton razzle-dazzle off, he's not the CBA guru.  It was Zarren.  I've said many times that I would rather lose Danny than Zarren, and that my biggest fear about Brad getting Danny's job is that Zarren would feel slighted and leave for greener pastures because there's a line of franchises around the block waiting and hoping they could scoop him up.  If we still have Zarren, Brad will be ok.  If we lose him, then we're going down a dark tunnel Brad or no Brad.  Mike Zarren is the linchpin to our longterm progress and success.  Danny and Brad were/are the front office conductors, but Zarren's the engine that actually moves the train.

3.  The tensions we are now reading about between Brad and Kemba didn't get Danny to pull the trigger on this deal before the trade deadline, did it?  Danny knew our defense wasn't good this year, everybody knew that, and I'm sure he had discussions with Brad about what the front office could do to help (although Danny is a very astute basketball observer and can see who's putting in the work and who isn't).  I'm sure it was available, Horford was already relegated to the bench to develop Brown so giving him, and his contract, up would have been a Godsend for Sam Presti and that is perhaps even more true the sooner the better.  If Presti could have gotten Kemba with a couple of days or a week before the trade deadline he could have gotten a quick flip on the deal by sending Walker to a playoff team, as a finishing touch, and getting more of his draft picks and maybe even a player he wants (who he can trade this offseason, or who is an expiring contract which would mean he unloaded both Horford and Walker's big contracts and gained a ton of draft picks, which would be front office genius).

So, in summary, I think the suggestion that Danny had nothing to do with the Walker trade forgets how active Danny was, normally, in seeking out trades.  I also think that the suggestion that "this was Danny's trade" ignores that he could have made this deal, but didn't, and it's Brad who really was the one who was done with Kemba.  There was no requirement for Danny to retire the day after we exited the playoffs.  He could have waited a week, closed this deal and then left.  That means that there would be no hard feelings against Brad starting off in his new job, he could say "don't look at me, Danny was still the GM!".  Even if all parties agreed it was time for Danny to leave he wasn't so universally despised he had to be walked out the door the very next day.  He could have kept the title and job for another week to finish this.  Who knows?  If we're going down the speculative rabbit hole maybe Danny resisted making this trade and that's why he was "retired" so quickly?  If that's true then this really is Brad's trade and not Danny's.

Zarren fleshed out the deal a while back, Danny knew all about it but didn't pull the trigger, Brad came in and said "we need to move the player who didn't play defense for me last year, so let's see if we can solidify this offer that's been on the table from OKC".  He took a couple of weeks to get his feet underneath himself before the deal was announced.  The deal doesn't really exist until both sides agree to do it, preliminary discussions don't count nor matter.  This is how I'm seeing it all played out.


Bob


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Obviously you’ve had a lot of time to think about this. Who knows wtf went on up there and at this point what difference does it make? There is one thing I am pretty sure of and that is that a great great majority of times in cases where coaches and GM types leave its rare that there wasn’t some hard feelings involved. Hardly anyone “quits” these jobs. At best its a “Here’s your hat now what’s your hurry” type deal which I believe happened here with Danny and Brad. But again, what difference does it make whether one got pushed or decided to jump? It’s all bulls**t anyway.
I believe you’re 100% correct regarding Zarren. I say that to say lets think future forward about him still being around because the team and Brad need him and lets stop with the rear view mirror thinking of whether Danny had anything to do with anything anymore. Finally, on the trade, I think its a good one for us even though I don’t think we should have and had to give up that 1st round pick. There wasn’t a market out there for Horford  so I think we could’ve have gotten him without giving up the pick.
Moses may work out to be better than that 1st pick and maybe he won’t. We can only hope because we’ll never really know. It’s all speculative.

bobheckler wrote:

Ktron wrote:

bobheckler wrote:1.  Danny was famous for calling every, single GM in the league on the phone and talking with them about players at least once per month.  He always knew who liked whom and what GM X would give up to acquire Player Y.  I find it unlikely that there were no conversations around this trade while Danny was GM.  That would be contrary to everything we know about Trader Danny.

2.  Based upon numerous reports the way things worked was, while Danny called them and schmoozed, the real dealmaker was Mike Zarren.  He's the one who vetted every deal for cap feasibility and, in order for that to happen, specific players (and their contracts) have to be identified.  Danny might say 'yeah' or 'nay' as to whether he wanted this player or that one included, or let's tweak it for draft picks, but that came only after Zarren gave the deal salary cap life by defining the key players/contracts being moved.  Let's not forget how many times, over 18 years, the CBA was changed specifically because Trader Danny pulled off a coup using some obscure loophole in the CBA (e.g. trading Gary Payton to Atlanta, where he was waived, and then Danny resigned him immediately.  They changed the CBA so that can't happen like that anymore).  Well, that wasn't really Danny who pulled that Payton razzle-dazzle off, he's not the CBA guru.  It was Zarren.  I've said many times that I would rather lose Danny than Zarren, and that my biggest fear about Brad getting Danny's job is that Zarren would feel slighted and leave for greener pastures because there's a line of franchises around the block waiting and hoping they could scoop him up.  If we still have Zarren, Brad will be ok.  If we lose him, then we're going down a dark tunnel Brad or no Brad.  Mike Zarren is the linchpin to our longterm progress and success.  Danny and Brad were/are the front office conductors, but Zarren's the engine that actually moves the train.

3.  The tensions we are now reading about between Brad and Kemba didn't get Danny to pull the trigger on this deal before the trade deadline, did it?  Danny knew our defense wasn't good this year, everybody knew that, and I'm sure he had discussions with Brad about what the front office could do to help (although Danny is a very astute basketball observer and can see who's putting in the work and who isn't).  I'm sure it was available, Horford was already relegated to the bench to develop Brown so giving him, and his contract, up would have been a Godsend for Sam Presti and that is perhaps even more true the sooner the better.  If Presti could have gotten Kemba with a couple of days or a week before the trade deadline he could have gotten a quick flip on the deal by sending Walker to a playoff team, as a finishing touch, and getting more of his draft picks and maybe even a player he wants (who he can trade this offseason, or who is an expiring contract which would mean he unloaded both Horford and Walker's big contracts and gained a ton of draft picks, which would be front office genius).

So, in summary, I think the suggestion that Danny had nothing to do with the Walker trade forgets how active Danny was, normally, in seeking out trades.  I also think that the suggestion that "this was Danny's trade" ignores that he could have made this deal, but didn't, and it's Brad who really was the one who was done with Kemba.  There was no requirement for Danny to retire the day after we exited the playoffs.  He could have waited a week, closed this deal and then left.  That means that there would be no hard feelings against Brad starting off in his new job, he could say "don't look at me, Danny was still the GM!".  Even if all parties agreed it was time for Danny to leave he wasn't so universally despised he had to be walked out the door the very next day.  He could have kept the title and job for another week to finish this.  Who knows?  If we're going down the speculative rabbit hole maybe Danny resisted making this trade and that's why he was "retired" so quickly?  If that's true then this really is Brad's trade and not Danny's.

Zarren fleshed out the deal a while back, Danny knew all about it but didn't pull the trigger, Brad came in and said "we need to move the player who didn't play defense for me last year, so let's see if we can solidify this offer that's been on the table from OKC".  He took a couple of weeks to get his feet underneath himself before the deal was announced.  The deal doesn't really exist until both sides agree to do it, preliminary discussions don't count nor matter.  This is how I'm seeing it all played out.


Bob


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Obviously you’ve had a lot of time to think about this. Who knows wtf went on up there and at this point what difference does it make? There is one thing I am pretty sure of and that is that a great great majority of times in cases where coaches and GM types leave its rare that there wasn’t some hard feelings involved. Hardly anyone “quits” these jobs. At best its a “Here’s your hat now what’s your hurry” type deal which I believe happened here with Danny and Brad. But again, what difference does it make whether one got pushed or decided to jump? It’s all bulls**t anyway.
I believe you’re 100% correct regarding Zarren. I say that to say lets think future forward about him still being around because the team and Brad need him and lets stop with the rear view mirror thinking of whether Danny had anything to do with anything anymore. Finally, on the trade, I think its a good one for us even though I don’t think we should have and had to give up that 1st round pick. There wasn’t a market out there for Horford  so I think we could’ve have gotten him without giving up the pick.
Moses may work out to be better than that 1st pick and maybe he won’t. We can only hope because we’ll never really know. It’s all speculative.

ktron,

I haven't contributed much to this thread, preferring to read everybody else's thoughts on the matter.  That gave me the time, and wider perspective provided by all of you individually and collectively, to develop my own position.  It's a slow-cooker recipe, not a quick saute, both of which have value.


Bob


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cowens/oldschool wrote:I think Danny had been working on that trade for months and obviously BS Zarren and Danny finished it. I also think Danny knew it was time to go when after Kyrie stepped on Lucky; the players weren’t upset enough to go over to the locker room and call out Kyrie on his suggestion. I would have gladly went over there called him out and then if things got heated, gladly punched him in the mouth

dboss wrote:

jrleftfoot wrote:

dboss wrote:

Shamrock1000 wrote:Question - would Danny have done this trade? Was Danny involved, or is this truly Brad's first move as President? Given Danny's history, it seems like giving up the first would have killed him...

This trade may have just been done but I know Danny was in the middle of it.  Danny said that he would still be working with Brad during the transition period.  There is no way in hell that Brad pulled this one off by himself.

The draft pick was a given because of the size of Kemba's contract.  In another thread I mention the pick as being needed to make a deal work so i am not at all surprised. And I am sure everybody realizes that there are plenty of children to feed already.  This team can live without a 16th pick this year.  Don't be shocked if another one heads out the door if Boston has their sights set on a certain PG.

            Woj said the trade was a result of a relationship between Stevens a Sam Presti dating from Brad's days at Bradley. I'm not convinced Ainge had anything to do with it

Foot

I am convinced.  The Kemba Walker rumors  have been floating around for a while.  Those rumors now seem more true than false.  woj did not say that the trade was the result of a relationship between Stevens and Presti dating from Brad days at Butler  WoJ said


Adrian Wojnarowski                            
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Jun 18
Brad Stevens’ first deal as President of Basketball Operations comes with Sam Presti, with whom he’s had a longtime friendship dating back to Butler days. Rare trade ahead of Chicago pre-draft combine, but sides got value they wanted now on a major deal.

The is no "result of"  

Brad had plenty of help from the Celtics organization to make this deal happen as quickly as it did.  Danny Ainge was in the mix.  

Think about it for a minute.

June 1st the Celtics get smoked out of the playoffs
June 2nd Danny steps down and Brad becomes the GM
June 17  Kemba gets traded

The timing is such that Danny had to have been involved.  Danny said during the press conference that announced the changes that he would be helping Brad transition into the GM role.  [/quote                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
  You're picking at straws.I never said I was quoting Wog verbatim. Of course other people in the organization besides Stevens had a part in the decision process. I see no evidence whatsoever that Ainge participated in the negotiaions that culminated in the deal, but you can give him as much credit as you like. I don't think Wog would have thrown in the tidbit about the Stevens/Presti relationship just for the hell of it.He was, in my opinion,indicating that he thought that relationship consequential.Maybe we don't disagree that much.I'm as certain as you are that their were discussions pertaining to Walker before the deal went down. My point is that there is every reason to believe that the final deal was Brad's , and not some brilliant Mephistophilian manipulation on Ainge's part. Neither one of us knows all the facts, and different  conclusions can be reached. It's all supposition.

dboss wrote:Foot

In the end it is no big deal if it was all Stevens, part Steven or no Stevens.

The deal is done.

So now Boston has to continue the process of making their roster better.