2019 NBA Draft
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft
NYCelt,
well if Danny does pick them, I will hope you are wrong about both...if he doesn't pick either one, I hope your spot on!!
well if Danny does pick them, I will hope you are wrong about both...if he doesn't pick either one, I hope your spot on!!
kdp59- Posts : 5709
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Rick Bonnell: Goga Bitadze only worked out for 5 teams: Hornets, Spurs, Hawks, Celtics and Pistons. – via Twitter rick_bonnell
kdp59- Posts : 5709
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8kdp59 wrote:Rick Bonnell: Goga Bitadze only worked out for 5 teams: Hornets, Spurs, Hawks, Celtics and Pistons. – via Twitter rick_bonnell
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KyleCleric- Posts : 1037
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KyleCleric wrote:8kdp59 wrote:Rick Bonnell: Goga Bitadze only worked out for 5 teams: Hornets, Spurs, Hawks, Celtics and Pistons. – via Twitter rick_bonnell
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Good point..I didn't notice Atlanta and their 3 first rounders along with ours. Guess one could assume he;s going around the middle of round one.
kdp59- Posts : 5709
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I’m not sure about his fit with Collins. I like him best with the Cs or Hornets or as a Spurs value pick
KyleCleric- Posts : 1037
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NYCelts
The guy in this draft that most reminds me of RW is Hayes.
The problem with film is that you never really get to see enough but you can look for some specific things. Let's assume all the centers and PF are able to dunk the ball.
What I was watching was footwork. All of these guys.
I think you may want to look at Bruno a bit closer before turning him into RW. Bruno has low post moves. He can score over either should can back down and then take a tunaround jumper he can take the ball from up top to the rim with spin moves and he is very quick for a big guy. There are plenty of alleyopp highlights but all the center have those. I see a lot of skills as a post scorer for him. Of all the videos I watched this one provides a good look at what he can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZV9GWAeWw He can score in a variety of ways.
And let us not forget that he averaged 10.4 rebounds per game. Rebounding is a big problem for Boston. Guys that shoot well from the line can generally expand their accuracy when stretching the floor. He went 78% from the line and 30% from deep.
The guy in this draft that most reminds me of RW is Hayes.
The problem with film is that you never really get to see enough but you can look for some specific things. Let's assume all the centers and PF are able to dunk the ball.
What I was watching was footwork. All of these guys.
I think you may want to look at Bruno a bit closer before turning him into RW. Bruno has low post moves. He can score over either should can back down and then take a tunaround jumper he can take the ball from up top to the rim with spin moves and he is very quick for a big guy. There are plenty of alleyopp highlights but all the center have those. I see a lot of skills as a post scorer for him. Of all the videos I watched this one provides a good look at what he can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZV9GWAeWw He can score in a variety of ways.
And let us not forget that he averaged 10.4 rebounds per game. Rebounding is a big problem for Boston. Guys that shoot well from the line can generally expand their accuracy when stretching the floor. He went 78% from the line and 30% from deep.
dboss- Posts : 18771
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Thanks for pointing Fernando out, he definitely has better offensive skills than RW and may be a better rebounder, rebounding is a trait that usually transfers to the next level.dboss wrote:NYCelts
The guy in this draft that most reminds me of RW is Hayes.
The problem with film is that you never really get to see enough but you can look for some specific things. Let's assume all the centers and PF are able to dunk the ball.
What I was watching was footwork. All of these guys.
I think you may want to look at Bruno a bit closer before turning him into RW. Bruno has low post moves. He can score over either should can back down and then take a tunaround jumper he can take the ball from up top to the rim with spin moves and he is very quick for a big guy. There are plenty of alleyopp highlights but all the center have those. I see a lot of skills as a post scorer for him. Of all the videos I watched this one provides a good look at what he can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZV9GWAeWw He can score in a variety of ways.
And let us not forget that he averaged 10.4 rebounds per game. Rebounding is a big problem for Boston. Guys that shoot well from the line can generally expand their accuracy when stretching the floor. He went 78% from the line and 30% from deep.
cowens/oldschool- Posts : 27268
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With Horford heading out the door I like the stretch ability of Mfiondu Kabengele and I love the inside scoring ability of Fernando.
Both of these guys are young and it will take a while for them to produce. We still have Baynes for another year and RW has been dying to get an opportunity.
Both of these guys are young and it will take a while for them to produce. We still have Baynes for another year and RW has been dying to get an opportunity.
dboss- Posts : 18771
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dboss and cowens,
My comparison of Fernando to Williams wasn't a diss, it was a compliment. Every game I watched this year, I thought he looked just like Williams the year before. Same moves, same awareness on defense. Cleans the glass just like Williams. Good shot blocker with excellent timing, just like Williams. So my point was, why have two of the same center? Find another with a complimentary set of skills, and let them battle for minutes.
Regards
My comparison of Fernando to Williams wasn't a diss, it was a compliment. Every game I watched this year, I thought he looked just like Williams the year before. Same moves, same awareness on defense. Cleans the glass just like Williams. Good shot blocker with excellent timing, just like Williams. So my point was, why have two of the same center? Find another with a complimentary set of skills, and let them battle for minutes.
Regards
NYCelt- Posts : 10626
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NYCelt wrote:dboss and cowens,
My comparison of Fernando to Williams wasn't a diss, it was a compliment. Every game I watched this year, I thought he looked just like Williams the year before. Same moves, same awareness on defense. Cleans the glass just like Williams. Good shot blocker with excellent timing, just like Williams. So my point was, why have two of the same center? Find another with a complimentary set of skills, and let them battle for minutes.
Regards
NYCelt
The point I was making is the RW has no clearly definable moves in the post but Fernando does. So I do not see them as the same type of player. But I get the point as it relates to some level of replication here. But Baynes is on his last year so having two young bigs works for me. We just need one of them to be able to give us a rebounding, shot blocking and post offense option.
I still like Mfiondu Kabengele and assuming Brad is not going to abandon his pick and pop option, he could help in that area.
Adding two bigs out of the draft is now more likely.
One may think that losing Kyrie and now apparently AH sets us back 2-3 years. That of course assumes we were going to win a title with this group.
I really did not see a pathway to the title in absence of improvements to the frontline. This team has been poorly configured because the Celtics put too many assets in the same bucket. (too many undersized and marginal frontcourt players)
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dboss,
Whether the Cs draft big man A, big man B or big man C each and every big man in Boston needs a big man COACH.
I realize that coaching is teaching and the best coaches of skills do not necessarily need to have been able to have performed the skills of an NBA big man, but I fully believe that it is well beyond time that the Cs have a full time big man coach on their staff.
It is nice learning from the veterans on a team, but to go along with what a young guy (say Williams as an example) needs it is my thought that having a coaching staff big man on board can on help any young guy get better faster.
Whether the Cs draft big man A, big man B or big man C each and every big man in Boston needs a big man COACH.
I realize that coaching is teaching and the best coaches of skills do not necessarily need to have been able to have performed the skills of an NBA big man, but I fully believe that it is well beyond time that the Cs have a full time big man coach on their staff.
It is nice learning from the veterans on a team, but to go along with what a young guy (say Williams as an example) needs it is my thought that having a coaching staff big man on board can on help any young guy get better faster.
wideclyde- Posts : 2390
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Greg Oden?wideclyde wrote:dboss,
Whether the Cs draft big man A, big man B or big man C each and every big man in Boston needs a big man COACH.
I realize that coaching is teaching and the best coaches of skills do not necessarily need to have been able to have performed the skills of an NBA big man, but I fully believe that it is well beyond time that the Cs have a full time big man coach on their staff.
It is nice learning from the veterans on a team, but to go along with what a young guy (say Williams as an example) needs it is my thought that having a coaching staff big man on board can on help any young guy get better faster.
KyleCleric- Posts : 1037
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Greg is better than who the Celts have now coaching big men...no one.
worcester- Posts : 11526
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dboss wrote:
Adding two bigs out of the draft is now more likely.
I would agree.
That and a genuine attempt to retain Rozier (sorry again, gyso).
NYCelt- Posts : 10626
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If Smart starts at PG, does Rozier have a problem again?NYCelt wrote:dboss wrote:
Adding two bigs out of the draft is now more likely.
I would agree.
That and a genuine attempt to retain Rozier (sorry again, gyso).
KyleCleric- Posts : 1037
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KyleCleric wrote:If Smart starts at PG, does Rozier have a problem again?NYCelt wrote:dboss wrote:
Adding two bigs out of the draft is now more likely.
I would agree.
That and a genuine attempt to retain Rozier (sorry again, gyso).
Great question.
My guess is Smart stays in the two-guard/wing role.
As of now, I think we're looking at a rotation of some combination of Hayward, Brown, and Smart as wings, Tatum at 4, and Baynes at 5 (hopefully minutes for Williams). That's why I mention Rozier. Looks a lot like the squad that went to the conference finals two seasons back, minus Horford and Morris, but plus Hayward. Maybe Morris is back, too soon to say for sure.
All, of course, subject to change. Probably soon.
NYCelt- Posts : 10626
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I don’t like starting any of Smart, Brown, and Tatum on the bench. I’d want then 2 bigger players with them which could be Baynes and maybe Hayward. With Baynes playing C, I’m more comfortable having the smaller lineup with him. It would be tough though swapping Rozier for Hayward.NYCelt wrote:KyleCleric wrote:If Smart starts at PG, does Rozier have a problem again?NYCelt wrote:dboss wrote:
Adding two bigs out of the draft is now more likely.
I would agree.
That and a genuine attempt to retain Rozier (sorry again, gyso).
Great question.
My guess is Smart stays in the two-guard/wing role.
As of now, I think we're looking at a rotation of some combination of Hayward, Brown, and Smart as wings, Tatum at 4, and Baynes at 5 (hopefully minutes for Williams). That's why I mention Rozier. Looks a lot like the squad that went to the conference finals two seasons back, minus Horford and Morris, but plus Hayward. Maybe Morris is back, too soon to say for sure.
All, of course, subject to change. Probably soon.
KyleCleric- Posts : 1037
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wideclyde wrote:dboss,
Whether the Cs draft big man A, big man B or big man C each and every big man in Boston needs a big man COACH.
I realize that coaching is teaching and the best coaches of skills do not necessarily need to have been able to have performed the skills of an NBA big man, but I fully believe that it is well beyond time that the Cs have a full time big man coach on their staff.
It is nice learning from the veterans on a team, but to go along with what a young guy (say Williams as an example) needs it is my thought that having a coaching staff big man on board can on help any young guy get better faster.
I agree with you 100% and have questioned the lack of having a big man coach.
The other thing has to do with Brad Stevens and his ability to diversify his offense to include a viable low post scoring option.
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KyleCleric wrote:New NBA Draft room mock
14: Tyler Herro
20: Nic Claxton
22: Kendon Johnson
51: Jaylen Nowell
KyleCleric- Posts : 1037
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KyleCleric wrote:KyleCleric wrote:New NBA Draft room mock
14: Tyler Herro
20: Nic Claxton
22: Kendon Johnson
51: Jaylen Nowell
Kyle,
Given recent news, and the roster as it stands, I wonder if that will become...
14: Big
20: Big
22: Point
51: Project-type Big
Regards
NYCelt- Posts : 10626
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Could be worse. NBAdraftnet has us taking Keldon Johnson at 14 and Paschall at 22. Clarke is at 20 and Dort at 51
KyleCleric- Posts : 1037
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Rob Dauster’s NBC Sports mock has us taking:
14: Nasir Little
20: Bol Bol
22: Kevin Porter Jr
14: Nasir Little
20: Bol Bol
22: Kevin Porter Jr
KyleCleric- Posts : 1037
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Bruno was suppose the have had the highest player eff. rating of any teenager in Europe. Was higher than Luca I think what they said. His highlights looked impressive.
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