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Post by Ktron Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:18 pm

I read where they brought Tony Snell to Maine on a G contract. Maybe he moves up..maybe not though.

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Post by dboss Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:49 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:There are a couple of G Leaguers that have played extremely well for Maine.  Kabengale being one of them   The rookie has played well for Maine also, he is a bit on the wild side, the second coming of Nesmith! only he is not known as a shooter.  Can either of these guys or anyone else for that matter join us and be playoff eligible?     The other player is, and I know I am going to screw up his name, but ..Luca S.....something like that, you know how I am with names, Old age setting in!!!!!!!  anyway, you are right, time to sit back and let Brad do his job.  I do not believe it was a mandate that Wyc set down, he is all in, especially after losing that series last year.  Do you blame him???                                                                                                                  

Hi Rosalie

Any of the 2-way guys or even a G-league player would need to have their contract converted to a regular contract in order to be playoff eligible. Last season, due to the impact of the pandemic, the NBA allowed 2-way guys to participate in the playoffs.

Luka's last name is Samanic and he is having a very good year while leading the team in scoring.

Below is a quick link to the Maine Celtics stats. JD Davidson in still in the developmental stage but he definitely has some solid PG skills and is averaging 9 assists per game.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/team/1612709915/players-traditional/

Brad should explore all options to find an add on to the team. There is still time to get some reps for our top Maine guys. I would like to see us reduce minutes for some guys on our team. Samanic fits into a stretch 4 slot and Kabengele could give us some minutes at center. We need AH to be ready come playoff time.




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Post by dboss Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:47 pm

Several teams out there have open roster spots.  

Everybody will be bargain shopping.  Several teams have large TPE's to absorb salary in the $5 to 9 million range.  

The Celtics have 5 remaining TPE's that expire on 2-10-2023.  The largest is for $5.89 million.

The Celtics are the only team with a DPE.  It is valued at $3,239,500.  

Teams with open roster spots do not have to make a trade to add a player.  They could use the veteran minimum salary of $2.721 million to sign a player that is a FA.  (Includes players that get bought out)

The Celtics are in a more favorable position under the above scenario because we can offer more than any of the other teams that are already over the CAP.

What is the actual cost?  Not including the luxury tax impact and let's use 30 games remaining in order to calculate the pro rata adjusted salary, a vet min 10 years exp. guy could get $995K with the 10 yer vet minimum.  Our DPE would allow us to offer $1.185 million.

If we used our $5.89 million TPE it may increase the chance of signing a better quality player.  The Celtics would have to send out a draft pick ( 2nd round)  

It appears the Celtics will be making a deal but we remain uncertain as to the positional need (s) that they will be looking to fill.  

I remain interested in seeing the Celtics  a PF/C and a wing.

The 3 competitors in the East that I am most concerned about are the Bucks (healthy),  Cavs, Sixers and Heat.  My concerns are not related to our wing depth as much as they are related to our big man lineup and rotations.  Those 4 teams are physical and all 4 have at least 1 high quality big.  The Cavs and Bucks have 2 in their starting lineups.

If you lean more on the offensive side of the equation you will probably like to see a wing that can shoot and score.  

I remain more in the defensive camp because I know for certain that AH will get murdered without a healthy RW.  We need to rebound the ball at the center position vs the other teams center (s)

Are we looking for a big splash?  I think not but we would expect some level of displacement when the guy jumps in the pool.

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Post by worcester Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:49 pm

I would really like to see us trade with Minnie to get Naz Reid.

He'd really shore up our center spot.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/minnesota-timberwolves/naz-reid-32045/

He's on an expiring contract.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/pro/dane-mizutani-naz-reid-is-turning-into-an-irreplaceable-player-for-timberwolves

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/reidna01.html

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Post by sinus007 Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:11 pm

Hi,
Here we go again: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-all-star-kyrie-irving-reportedly-requests-trade-from-brooklyn-nets-ahead-of-deadline-185646433.html
I guess BKN becomes a preferred opponent in the playoffs.

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Post by NYCelt Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:41 pm

sinus007 wrote:Hi,
Here we go again: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-all-star-kyrie-irving-reportedly-requests-trade-from-brooklyn-nets-ahead-of-deadline-185646433.html
I guess BKN becomes a preferred opponent in the playoffs.

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Post by dboss Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:46 pm

worcester wrote:I would really like to see us trade with Minnie to get Naz Reid.

He'd really shore up our center spot.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/minnesota-timberwolves/naz-reid-32045/

He's on an expiring contract.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/pro/dane-mizutani-naz-reid-is-turning-into-an-irreplaceable-player-for-timberwolves

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/reidna01.html


I think he is a guy that could help us. What would it take to get him? If they made a move would that be it? What about adding another wing?
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Post by worcester Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:29 pm

It was obvious to most sports commentators that Jaylen could not play with Jayson. By that logic, why not trade Jaylen straight up to the Nets for Kyrie? The numbers work.
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Post by bobheckler Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:06 am

It is being reported that there is mutual interest between the Celtics and Will Barton if he is bought out.

32 years old, 6'6", 181#, almost 7' wingspan.

"Will the Thrill" is currently with Washington.  He has played in 38 of their games and is averaging 19.7mpg.  He is averaging 7.5ppg in those 19.7 minutes.  His fg% is 37.9%.  His 3pt fg% is 37.4%.  He is averaging 7.1 fgas/game and 3.4 3pt fgas/game.  Joe will love the high ratio of 3pters-to-total-fgas.  Barton's not shy about launching them despite not being a great shooter.  What I don't like is that he's only averaging 38% from 2.  

2.5apg vs 1.1TO/gm = 2.27:1 assist-to-turnover ratio.  That's pretty good for a SG/SF.

His Offensive Rating = 101
His Defensive Rating = 116
His Net Rating = -15
That sucks.

He has played in 29 playoff games in his 10 year career.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bartowi01.html


The Trade Deadline is this coming Thursday.


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Post by cowens/oldschool Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:54 am

dboss wrote:
worcester wrote:I would really like to see us trade with Minnie to get Naz Reid.

He'd really shore up our center spot.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/minnesota-timberwolves/naz-reid-32045/

He's on an expiring contract.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/pro/dane-mizutani-naz-reid-is-turning-into-an-irreplaceable-player-for-timberwolves

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/reidna01.html


I think he is a guy that could help us.  What would it take to get him?  If they made a move would that be it?  What about adding another wing?

We need another wing, we are burning out Tatum again; he’s had so many dud games too, like tonight. He will bounce back, but he’s being asked to do too much and he’s in the top 4 in minutes and games played. Pheonix has abundance of wings and beat us without Booker and Cameron Johnson, they also have Bridges and Criag, that’s serious depth when healthy that we don’t have at wing. Bol Bol and Mo Wagner are flourishing in Orlando, I was pissed we got rid of Bol Bol. They combined to score 33 points in 37 minutes tonight, Brad never gave them a chance. We have just lost 4 out of 6, 2 of them were losses on the last possession or FT line, but a loss is still a loss.

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Post by bobheckler Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:47 pm

https://nesn.com/2023/02/nba-rumors-celtics-kicking-tires-on-nerlens-noel-before-deadline/


NBA Rumors: Celtics Kicking Tires On Nerlens Noel Before Deadline

It would be a homecoming for the Pistons big man


by Sean T. McGuire

8 hours ago


With one of the best records in the NBA and their eyes clearly on a championship, the Boston Celtics could be among the buyers before the league’s trade deadline Thursday.

Among those the Celtics reportedly have been kicking the tires on is Detroit Pistons big man Nerlens Noel.

The Celtics recently called the Pistons and inquired about Noel, according to The Athletic’s James L. Edwards. Edwards noted Boston joined the likes of the Miami Heat, Denver Nuggets, Dallas Mavericks, Sacramento Kings and Philadelphia 76ers in pursuing the center.

The 28-year-old Noel, a native of Everett, Mass. and Kentucky product, was the sixth overall pick in the 2013 NBA Draft. He’s played for five different teams with no stint lasting longer than his two-plus seasons with the 76ers, the first franchise he played for.

Noel has averaged 7.2 points and 6.1 rebounds in 463 career games. However, he’s played just 13 games for the Pistons this season and is averaging career lows with 2.5 points on 42.9% from the field in fewer than 12 minutes per contest.

It’s not the first indication the Celtics are interested in acquiring some frontcourt depth behind Robert Williams III and Al Horford, though. Former Celtic Kelly Olynyk also reportedly has been involved in trade rumors involving the Green.

The NBA trade deadline is set for Thursday at 3 p.m. ET.


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MY NOTE: 6'11", 220#, 7'4" wingspan. Almost 29 years old. The Sixers are also, reportedly, inquiring about him.



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Post by dboss Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:15 pm

I like Noel.

Ideal situation would be to get him and not have to use him much but he could give us a boost at the 5 and in so doing solidify our depth at center.

I think we will need a minor trade to get him and then we can also add a wing. Send out end of the bench guy Jackson.
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Post by dbrown4 Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:19 pm

SAS was hinting at KD for JB on First Take this am. To keep our eyes and ears open on it, that is. That would be the nuclear option for both teams. I think I like where we are as far as that goes top tier deal would go. KD wouldn't have to worry about anyone getting in his way from ballin'.

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Post by RosalieTCeltics Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:25 pm

every year we go thru this. I will wait until Thursday that is when the real trades all of a sudden appear or disappear
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Post by dboss Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:32 pm

Checking in on Toney Snell

3 games in 7.3 PPG, 3.3R and 1.7A
Shooting 46.2% from deep on 4.3 APG
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Post by dbrown4 Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:53 pm

dboss,

Snell sounds much more reasonable for us. No reason for us to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We've heard the KD for JB bs before.

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Post by worcester Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:38 pm

Why trade a young, healthy and talented JB for a much older often injured KD? I just do not get it.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:57 pm

According to the fool I hate the most in Boston sports reporting, Felger, he said that Stephen A Smith saying that Celtics are kicking the tires on KD

I swear,I will personally go to Brad Stephen’s office and punch him if he dares to do this. Or…..is it another big mouth trying to make a bigger fool of himself than he does at times. Dying to beat Woj to the punch???
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Post by RosalieTCeltics Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:57 pm

Early pregame, maybe we will hear some thoughts from the guys on tv and radio about things. 6:00 pregame
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Post by bobheckler Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:10 pm

Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
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This falls in the “duh” category, but a league source stressed that Jaylen’s absence last night had nothing to do with a potential trade.


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Post by RosalieTCeltics Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:30 pm

Non covid illness. Like Grande said last night, how long will we have to continue using that phrase when someone is out. SICK…we all get sick now and then!!!!!!
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Post by cowens/oldschool Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:10 pm

worcester wrote:Why trade a young, healthy and talented JB for a much older often injured KD? I just do not get it.

+1

It’s all nonsense, sure they may talk, but it’s their jobs. Wondering what could be best scenario where we keep both J’s and add Durant and give them any combination of players? As KG said anything is possible!!

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Post by bobheckler Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:47 am

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/spurs-receive-center-dedmon-future-second-round-pick-trade-heat-nba-san-antonio/273-0d57d145-5e81-4b01-8dca-c78ac41f68d9?fbclid=IwAR3wTfuMV1S3PVdVDISDBPkSeBzzZI9yleI4k5lNRKBDiGaF7978MzeAZNA



Spurs receive center Dedmon, future second-round pick in trade with Heat

According to reports, the Spurs will receive the former Spurs center, draft pick from Miami in exchange for cash considerations.


Author: Jeff Garcia (KENS)
Published: 11:02 AM CST February 7, 2023
Updated: 11:02 AM CST February 7, 2023


SAN ANTONIO — According to a report from The Athletic's Shams Charania, the Miami Heat have traded center Dewayne Dedmon and a future second-round pick to the San Antonio Spurs.

Dedmon played for the San Antonio Spurs during the 2016-17 season posting 5.1 points per game, 6.5 rebounds, and 62 percent shooting in 76 games played. He would then sign with the Hawks in the offseason.


Dedmon could be waived following the official deal as the Spurs can financially absorb his salary.

Basically, San Antonio just used some of its salary cap flexibility for a future second-round pick set for 2028 according to a report.


San Antonio simply is adding to its war chest of draft picks. The team is stockpiling draft picks during their complete rebuilding phase which they can use to reshape the franchise for the future.

The move also signals the Heat could be making way for a larger deal ahead of the NBA Trade Deadline later this week.



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The Heat go from $192,895 below the luxury tax to $4.9M below. They now have more flexibility in trades and to convert Orlando Robinson to a standard contract now.

They also generate a $4.7M trade exception.


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Post by bobheckler Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:35 am

https://www.celticsblog.com/2023/2/7/23589245/boston-celtics-trade-intel-two-days-from-the-deadline



Celtics trade intel two days from the deadline


Boston is active and trying to get things done with limited resources


By Keith P Smith  Updated Feb 7, 2023, 10:47am EST  


The NBA is closing in on the 48-hour countdown to the trade deadline. This is when things really start to pick up. We’re approaching “last, best offer” time around the NBA.

The Boston Celtics have been active ahead of Thursday’s 3:00 PM ET deadline. One league source went so far as to say, “Boston is doing a lot of talking, considering they don’t have a ton to trade. Or at least that they are willing to trade.”

Here’s what we’re hearing about the Celtics two days out from deadline day:


Kevin Durant

One league source said about Boston’s rumored interest in Kevin Durant, “I’m sure they’re interested. So are 28 other teams. 29 if you include the Nets just keeping Durant. Everyone has had the conversation about ‘What’s our best offer for KD?’ in the last few days.”

Still, don’t expect anything to happen here. First, Durant would want a trade and the Nets would want to trade him. Unlike with Kyrie Irving, who could walk for nothing after the season, Durant is on a long-term deal in Brooklyn. That gives the Nets more leverage.

Another source told CelticsBlog, “I’m sure Boston would re-engage. We know they talked over the summer. But that’s a huge deal to make in-season. I’m not sure Brad (Stevens) would want to disrupt things that much. But it’s Kevin Durant. You have to at least make the call.”


Grant Williams

Most believe that Boston and Grant Williams will get a new deal done this summer. But chatter around the Celtics trading Williams is starting to grow a little louder. One source told CelticsBlog that Boston is wary about what Williams wants moving forward, both in terms of a new deal and a bigger role:


“Grant wants a lot of money. We heard he thinks he’s got $18 to $20 million waiting for him in free agency. And he wants to play more, probably start. Not sure either one of those happen with Boston.”

Is it surprising that Williams would like to play more and maybe start? Not at all. That’s almost all good, young players. It’s more concerning if they don’t want to play more and start. But here’s the important thing: Williams probably does want that, but he’s not letting it take him out of his role. He doesn’t sulk about it. He just plays. If you can’t remember a time when Williams complained about his role or his minutes, that’s because it’s never happened. That’s a big part of what makes him a hard player for the Celtics to trade. He fits so well within the team’s hierarchy right now.

A league source said, “Brad (Stevens) will move Williams if he can get a comparable player that’s under team control for a couple more years.”

That’s not going to be an easy needle to thread. Williams is an important rotation player, but his days on a value contract are running out. It’s no longer the lock Williams is in Boston long-term as it once seemed.


Derrick White

Rival teams have called Boston about Derrick White only to be shut down. One team said, “We thought with all their guard depth, that White might be available. He’s not untouchable, but they would need more than what they gave up to get him.”

Another source said, “White has a ton of value, because he can play both guard spots, on- and off-ball and he can defend most small forwards too. And, for Boston, he fills in for (Marcus) Smart and (Malcolm) Brogdon, who both get hurt a lot. They’ve set a price no one is going to meet.”

Sources told CelticsBlog that teams that called about White included the LA Clippers, Dallas Mavericks (pre-Kyrie Irving trade), Orlando Magic and Denver Nuggets. None of the talks got particularly close, as Boston wants win-now players, and at least one first-round pick in exchange for White.


Traded Player Exception

The Celtics have a TPE of $5,890,000 from the Dennis Schroder trade at last year’s deadline. Using that TPE has been the focus for Boston at the deadline.

One source told CelticsBlog, “We haven’t talked a player who makes more than $6 million with Boston. They’re offering picks and minor players for our low-salary guys. They want to use that TPE.”

Another rival team said, “It’s clear to us that Brad (Stevens) has the go-ahead to add tax money, because all of our conversations would be TPE trades for them. We just don’t have anyone that’s a fit for that kind of deal, but the Celtics are trying to use it.”

Keep an eye on the Celtics potentially sending a protected first-round pick, or two second-round picks, in exchange for a player that makes under $6 million to fit in the TPE. It seems like Boston has no plans to let it expire.


Payton Pritchard

Opposing teams continue to call on Payton Pritchard. One told CelticsBlog, “They have to trade a guard, right? Pritchard made it pretty clear he wants to play more.”

But others say the Celtics are in no rush to move the third-year guard. One source close to the situation said, “He’s the best pure shooter on the roster. That has real value. Plus, how many games are you winning if other guards are hurt and all you have is Derrick (White)? Nothing against Derrick, but he’s not a 48-minute guard. He needs someone to spot him rest if (Marcus) Smart and (Malcolm) Brogdon can’t go.”

League sources expect the logjam at guard to be something that is resolved over the summer. One source put it succinctly, “They’re trying to win a title. You don’t give away good depth at spots with injury histories. Boston won’t get cute.”


The Buyout Market

With the Danilo Gallinari Disabled Player Exception, Boston has more spending power than most other contenders. That DPE is worth roughly $3.2 million, and it doesn’t prorate like a veteran minimum deal does.

It’s also the presence of the DPE that adds to it being unlikely that Boston will trade Gallinari. If Gallinari is traded before the DPE is used, it automatically expires unused.

One source said, “Boston is going to pick off whoever they want on the buyout market. They have money and minutes. And they’re a title contender. That checks all the boxes.”

Players generally prioritize the following, in order, during buyout season: contending for the Finals, playing a role and then salary. If the first two are equal, the third becomes a nice tiebreaker. The Celtics can offer more money than most others, giving them a nice advantage for post-trade deadline maneuvering.


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Post by bygone Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:21 am

Thank you all for your work and ideas presented. At this point I'll sit back and cross my fingers something good happens by tomorrow's deadline. Even nothing; but a little more size would be nice. Let's see how we do shorthanded against Embiid tonight

My hope is bolstered by my confidence in Brad, he's been a cool headed, no nonsense decision maker overall.
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