Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread

[sinus007]

Hi,
As I mentioned in another thread, Celtics need to replace Theis. They have to find decent, reliable center to sub for Al (we need him fresh and healthy for Playoffs) and for RWIII (considering his propensity to get injured).
Sorry, but I don't think Kornet is it.

AK

[Ktron]

I think Brad is attracted to Luke because he reminds him of his son or some frigging relative in his family lineage.
I cant think of any other reason why this Jack in the beanstalk no hooping tall man is still on the roster and guaranteed any dollars and cents. Mind boggling.

[dboss]

He is a roster filler.  Brad turned 3  roster fillers into trade fillers.

Anybody know the details of his 2 year deal?

[Ktron]

Brad Stevens seems to be a no nonsense guy who wants to win now without looking at the basketball court with rose colored glasses.  He is finding great success trading because he is not TRADER DANNY!  I think the problem in the past was Danny and how other GM's viewed him............a too tough, not flexible trading partner. i am sure we missed some great trades because of Danny.  I am sure a lot of GM's did not want to become the latest victim of Danny especially with dissembling of the old team back in 2013/2014.

I asked for a total gut of the bench and to get a lot of the old wood moved, and Brad to his credit did so!  We only kept a few bench players and a player who could find a role coming off the bench in Sam Hauser.  We also will add the 2 new players Williams and Davidson.

Buckle up, there is more to come!

112288

I really believe that the narrative that GM’s around the league were apprehensive over dealing with Danny and feared becoming his latest victim is somewhat of a fallacy.
All of these GM types have egos and believe they can out duel the other guy because they’re smarter.
I think toward the end Danny dried up because he was asking for too much and at times being unreasonable.

Think about it. It hasn’t been that long since Wyc said to Danny, “Here’s your hat now whats your hurry” and look what he’s done to that poor bastard up in Minnesota who others around the league said was one of the best when he was in Denver.
Let’s see how many other deals, if any, Danny pulls off future forward. I don’t think he’s done and I don’t think anyone is afraid of him.

[Pumpsie Green]

Celtics reset:

From this point on everything is set except the bottom 3rd of the roster.

The depth issue has disappeared like the proverbial 'fart in the wind'

I think we start the season with the same lineup as last year but the rotations are going to be drastically changed.  The starting lineup will change at some point. AH played a lot of minutes last year so I expect less minutes from him.  I also expect to see a lot more single center lineups with double PG's and 2 wings.   With Danilo added, he fits right into the stretch 4 option along with Grant Williams.  Added shooting depth at the 4 was needed.

The addition of Brogdon will have a big impact at both the PG spot and the 2 Guard/Wing.  We did not have a real good BU for Jaylen last year.  Brogdon is a better off the ball option than other White or Smart.

I think that  2 guys are mostly impacted by the MB addition.  Smart and White will now have a legit tri-partner in the mix.  We are going to see combinations where all 3 are on the floor together when we go small and there will be a lot of pairing with two of them playing together.

I hope that Smart will be able to handle the situation because there are going to be times when he is on the bench in favor of both Brogdon or White.

Ime will not enable bad attitudes.  He is going to play guys that will execute the game plan.  

Reports indicate that Brogdon is thrilled to be joining the Celtics and Gallo will become a resident of the North End, lol

I am not going to candy coat the pill.  The Celtics did not just add a playmaker.  They essentially upgraded their PG situation by adding one better than the three that are already on the roster.  That does not mean Brogdon will be the new starter.

This level of depth and versatility is exactly what the Celtics were needing.  Brogdon can become the perfect 6th man for us and he is a proven late game finisher or he can slide right into the starting lineup seamlessly.

The Celtics upgraded their roster without using any of our TPE's

Smart will be fine. He wants only one thing: to win.
Gallinari will be a good addition in terms of scoring off the bench, but I don't think he is going to do well with the pick and roll. I NEVER want to see him chasing down mobile small guards like Al did in the playoffs.

[bobheckler]

https://sports.yahoo.com/bold-brad-stevens-helps-celtics-201505303.html



Bold Brad Stevens helps Celtics make fashionably late and loud entrance to offseason


Chris Forsberg

Fri, July 1, 2022 at 1:15 PM·6 min read



Ten days ago, Brad Stevens was asked if Boston Celtics ownership had given him the OK to use a bulky trade exception and spend into the luxury tax to bolster the roster for the 2022-23 season.

"We've got the OK to do whatever we need to do," said Stevens.

And he wasn’t kidding.


The Celtics broke out their checkbooks on Friday while making a fashionably late but undeniably grand entrance into free agency. Boston dangled the full taxpayer midlevel to scoop sharpshooting forward Danilo Gallinari off the waiver wire then flipped the entire end of their bench, along with a 2023 first-round pick, to Indiana in exchange for pricy point guard Malcolm Brogdon.

Boston is now roughly $17 million over the tax line with only 11 players signed for next season. But the two veteran additions leave Boston far deeper and more versatile than the squad that finished two wins short of Banner 18 this past season.

And the Celtics still haven’t touched the $17.1 million Evan Fournier traded player exception. They might not even use the majority of it before July 18 but it remains an asset for roster construction.

If it ultimately vaporizes there should be no consternation. In making the jaw-dropping swap to land Brogdon, adding a big ball-handler with defensive versatility, the Celtics acknowledged some holes in last year’s roster and screamed that they expect to be back in the title mix next season.

Vegas odds immediately rocketed them to co-favorites for the NBA title.

In landing Brogdon, president of basketball operations Stevens fetched the one fish that Danny Ainge always lamented got away. The Celtics were bullish on Brogdon during the 2016 draft but ultimately traded away a pair of early second-round picks for a 2019 first-rounder. Ainge would later lament not using one to take a swing on Brogdon, who went 36th to the Bucks.

A half-decade later, the Celtics’ willingness to take on Brogdon’s long-term money opened an avenue to acquire him cheaply. The Celtics sent out Daniel Theis, whose $8.5 million salary was too much for a third center; Aaron Nesmith, who shot 25.4 percent on all 3-pointers in his sophomore season; a bunch of end-of-the-bench pieces better known for their celebrations than their play; and a 2023 first-round pick that ought to projects somewhere in spots 26-30.

Brogdon has a lengthy injury history and has played in only 61.9 percent of Indiana’s games over the past three seasons. He signed a two-year, $45 million extension that keeps him on Boston’s books until the 2024-25 season.

But Stevens has been willing to splurge first-round picks to secure players that fit Boston’s play style and are under long-term control. Call him Bold Brad. Securing Brogdon comes five months after Boston utilized a 2022 first-round pick as part of a package to land Derrick White from the San Antonio Spurs.

All this after Stevens dealt a 2021 first-round pick to Oklahoma City while swapping Kemba Walker for Al Horford at the start of his GM tenure 13 months ago.

The Pacers, in rebuild mode, can give Nesmith the minutes he needs to develop but the Celtics essentially dealt their ninth and 10th man for a player that immediately slots in an already loaded top 6.

It comes with a hefty salary cost but Boston saw the value of depth and spending while watching the Golden State Warriors emerge in the 2022 Finals.

The Celtics still have to fill at least three vacant roster spots (and fill their 2-way slots). But Boston’s depth chart at the moment looks like:


STARTERS: Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Al Horford, Robert Williams III

BENCH: Brogdon, White, Gallinari, Grant Williams, Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser

You can quibble, if you want, about the prospects of Brogdon elevating to a starting role. It’s certainly possible but Boston had the best starting 5 in the NBA last season. If this is the roster that the Celtics carry into the new season, there is a great chance to limit the wear and tear on the core, especially 36-year-old Horford, by utilizing the new depth and versatility.

Boston still could use a third-string center with some heft. Brogdon should help provide another wing defender to take stress off Tatum and Brown.

Getting Brogdon at such a discount cost based on outgoing assets made the decision to splurge that much easier. So, too, did watching East rivals load up at the start of free agency and the bitter taste of not being able to close out last year’s storybook season.

Offensively, Brogdon is the sort of big playmaker that Smart haters have lusted over for a while. The Celtics can now have the best of both worlds with Smart having proven he can quarterback and offense but also able to share those reigns with Brogdon, who can play both guard spots.

Brogdon’s injury history makes it a luxury to have someone like White in a reserve role as well. The depth chart is a bit jammed for Pritchard, whose role decreased at the start of last year when the Celtics signed Dennis Schroder, but if Ime Udoka embraces his newfound depth, there’s minutes to keep Boston’s entire top 10 fresh over the course of an 82-game season.

When the rotation crunches in the playoffs, it feels more likely that the Celtics will lean more on Brogdon than Gallinari. But Boston’s lack of bench offense was such a glaring weakness during this year’s run that the soon-to-be 34-year-old sharpshooter could be an important depth option.

The Celtics are currently staring at a potential $35-plus million luxury tax bill given the escalators based on total spending. This group must prove it can be a surefire contender again throughout the new season in order to justify carrying this many bulky contracts (six players north of $16.4 million).

Boston was not content to simply add a ninth or a 10th man. Getting Brogdon at such a discount cost based on outgoing assets made the decision to splurge that much easier. So, too, did watching East rivals load up at the start of free agency and the bitter taste of not being able to close out last year’s storybook season.

The Celtics can still monitor the Kevin Durant sweepstakes -- they have the contracts and enough future picks to still hop into the proceedings, though it’s more likely they try to simply aid the Durant relocation process with their TPE and gain further assets from the process. Friday’s spending makes it tougher to take on any big money, but not impossible.

Because Friday the Celtics proved they are willing to pay to play with the goal of securing Banner 18, especially after it slipped through their fingers last month.


Bob
MY NOTE:  Forsberg left off Luke Kornet for our bench (this is a joke, friends, I'm not a big Kornet fan).  Neverthe less I see the above roster we went from 8 deep to 10 deep, and when I say deep I mean legit NBA depth.  Brogdon, Gallinari and White are proven NBA veterans.  The addition of Brogdon and Galli to the bench takes the pressure of scoring off of White.  He can defend, his forte, and run the offense which allows the better shooting Brogdon to shoot more.  Put another way, it lets Derrick White be more like another Smart, a primarily defensive player whose offense is almost bonus.  Having two Smarts is a luxury since most teams don't even have one.  Grant is solid, he has shown he can play well on the big stage, so there's #10.  Nothing against Pritchard and Hauser but Ime's now 10 deep without them.

We need another center and depth at wing behind the Js and we're in pretty good shape.  Brad upgraded us without having to give up any player that gave us the best starting 5 in the NBA.

Summer League begins on Thursday, July 7th, but we don't play until Saturday July 9th.  Six days from now.  How time flies when you're in the Finals...


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[birnam]

MY NOTE:   I see the above roster we went from 8 deep to 10 deep, and when I say deep I mean legit NBA depth.  Brogdon, Gallinari and White are proven NBA veterans.  The addition of Brogdon and Galli to the bench takes the pressure of scoring off of White.  He can defend, his forte, and run the offense which allows the better shooting Brogdon to shoot more.  Put another way, it lets Derrick White be more like another Smart, a primarily defensive player whose offense is almost bonus.  Having two Smarts is a luxury since most teams don't even have one.  Grant is solid, he has shown he can play well on the big stage, so there's #10.  Nothing against Pritchard and Hauser but Ime's now 10 deep without them.

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Errrr, ya better check your math, Bob.  You mentioned the starting 5 and then the rebuilt bench of Brogdon, Gall, White and Grant.  Without including Pritch and Sam, that looks like 9 deep, not 10.  Hoping Bryant will in fact make it 10

[bobheckler]

MY NOTE:   I see the above roster we went from 8 deep to 10 deep, and when I say deep I mean legit NBA depth.  Brogdon, Gallinari and White are proven NBA veterans.  The addition of Brogdon and Galli to the bench takes the pressure of scoring off of White.  He can defend, his forte, and run the offense which allows the better shooting Brogdon to shoot more.  Put another way, it lets Derrick White be more like another Smart, a primarily defensive player whose offense is almost bonus.  Having two Smarts is a luxury since most teams don't even have one.  Grant is solid, he has shown he can play well on the big stage, so there's #10.  Nothing against Pritchard and Hauser but Ime's now 10 deep without them.

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Errrr, ya better check your math, Bob.  You mentioned the starting 5 and then the rebuilt bench of Brogdon, Gall, White and Grant.  Without including Pritch and Sam, that looks like 9 deep, not 10.  Hoping Bryant will in fact make it 10

Birnam,

Thanks for catching that.  You're right, it is 9 and not 10.  That's still better than last year when our 8 included Pritchard.  If we include him in Ime's core rotation, and he probably will be for at least 15mpg, then we're 10 deep.  Would you consider Pritchard to be "legit NBA depth", or do you consider him to be aspiring to be that?  That was what I was trying to get at.  Our legit depth is better now, I just screwed up the arithmetic.


Bob


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[birnam]

[b]

Errrr, ya better check your math, Bob.  You mentioned the starting 5 and then the rebuilt bench of Brogdon, Gall, White and Grant.  Without including Pritch and Sam, that looks like 9 deep, not 10.  Hoping Bryant will in fact make it 10

Birnam,

Thanks for catching that.  You're right, it is 9 and not 10.  That's still better than last year when our 8 included Pritchard.  If we include him in Ime's core rotation, and he probably will be for at least 15mpg, then we're 10 deep.  Would you consider Pritchard to be "legit NBA depth", or do you consider him to be aspiring to be that?  That was what I was trying to get at.  Our legit depth is better now, I just screwed up the arithmetic.

Bob

Oh, you are absolutely on the money B-Heck when you say our legit depth is better now.  As for Pritchard -- I am glad we have him, be it as 9th man or 10th man.  There may be nights when he sits, and there may be nights when he gets some minutes and he comes in and lights a fire.  We have seen it happen! And even though I am a retired math teacher, I will let you slide on your arithmetical turnover.

[bobheckler]

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/extensions-for-jaylen-brown-and-grant-williams-among-things-the-celtics-need-to-still-address?cid=sm_npd_rsn_bos_twt_mn



What's left on the Celtics' offseason to-do list?

15H AGO


BY CHRIS FORSBERG
NBC SPORTS


The Boston Celtics did the bulk of their summer lifting on Friday, agreeing to a trade with the Indiana Pacers to land Malcolm Brogdon and securing free-agent forward Danilo Gallinari.

Boston then reached agreement with bench holdovers Sam Hauser and Luke Kornet. The Celtics have 12 players under contract and are quite deep into the luxury tax with at least two more spots to fill (and two two-way contracts to finalize).

So what should we expect the rest of the summer?


To TPE or not TPE, that is (not really a) question

After a full year of speculation about what the Celtics might do with the $17.1 million traded player exception generated in the Evan Fournier sign and trade, there is the very real chance it could vaporize without use on July 18.


That would be a bad thing if Boston hadn’t splurged to land Brogdon, adding $67.6 million in salary over the next three seasons. The Celtics are now committed to nearly $170 million in contracts for these 12 players (with 2022-23 contract value):

Jayson Tatum -- $30.4M
Jaylen Brown -- $28.7M
Al Horford -- $26.5M
Malcolm Brogdon -- $22.6M
Marcus Smart -- $17.2M
Derrick White -- $16.4M
Robert Williams -- $10.7M
Danilo Gallinari -- $6.5M
Grant Williams -- $4.3M
Payton Pritchard -- $2.1M
Luke Kornet -- $2.1M
Sam Hauser -- $1.9M

The Celtics can remain relatively opportunistic with the TPE. If there’s a low-cost player who's worth adding, the team can pounce via trade. But at $20 million over the tax line with no pain-free means to shed salary along the 2022-23 journey, the Celtics might be at their spending limit. Boston is projected to be at nearly $225 million in total commitment when projecting their tax bill given the elevated rates that come the further you wade into tax waters.

Which is to say it’s hard to see the Celtics taking on, as an example, another $8 million player via the TPE, as it would push their total spend to roughly $260 million. The Celtics are essentially paying at least $3.75 million per $1 million spent for every dollar spent after $20 million over the tax.

Now, Boston has paid four second-round picks to keep a big TPE alive through its incarnations with Gordon Hayward and Fournier. Still, it’s a sunk cost and it gave the Celtics an alternate way to add high-level talent if the Brogdon deal had never materialized. The cost to acquire Brogdon was so low that Boston can stomach losing the TPE if there’s no way to kick it further down the road.

The Celtics could use the TPE to find a defensive-minded wing or third center to fill out the roster but only if those players were worth splurging a draft asset and represent something over what’s attainable with a minimum contract on the free-agent market.


Who gets the final roster spots?

With tax concerns in mind, the Celtics should be motivated to give one of their final roster spots to a player with zero years of league service. Maybe that’s bringing Juhann Begarin stateside (Yam Madar would work, too, but it feels like there’s too much point guard depth to waste years of service). Alternatively, the Celtics could sign 2022 second-round pick J.D. Davison, who might otherwise land a two-way deal or ponder a stash overseas.

If Boston yearns to add one more veteran, it should be a defensive-minded wing who can fill some minutes when Brown and Tatum are on the bench, or a bruising big who can take some of the wear and tear off Horford and Williams III (the Celtics were previously linked to Thomas Bryant).

Whoever gets added needs to understand that there is not going to be many minutes available outside the top 10 and must settle for bite-sized chunks of playing time.


Summer League

Maybe the decision on which rookie to carry into the new season will come into focus a bit when the Summer Celts head to Vegas.

If Begarin is still raw, maybe it's best to keep him stashed. If any non-veteran player shows promise and can benefit from being around the team during the season, maybe the Celtics treat one of the final open roster spots like a souped-up version of a two-way deal, much like they did in elevating Hauser after all the in-season maneuvering last season.


The Grant Williams extension

Williams emerged as a key piece of Boston’s rotation last season, embracing his 3-and-D role and thriving from his corner office. Recency bias will make an underwhelming Finals the prominent memory, but Williams was fantastic in helping to hound Kevin Durant and Giannis Antetokounmpo in the early rounds of the postseason.

So can the player and team agree on a number to give him some financial security moving forward?

The market was relatively cool for 3-and-D and power forwards this past summer. P.J. Tucker -- a favorite Williams comparison given their undersized nature -- got $11 million per season, but age and experience all factor into his deal. Kyle Anderson got just south of the full midlevel at around $9 million per season while signing with Minnesota.

The Celtics could offer Williams something in that $9-11 million range to get the ball rolling. Maybe they go up a bit on that number but we can’t see them splurging too much because of all the salary committed into the future (though Horford’s money coming off the books will help luxury tax concerns). If Williams is part of the Horford succession plan, then maybe the team is more inclined to pay to lock him up early.


The Jaylen Brown extension

We’ll get into this more later, but the bottom line is that Brown is extension eligible and the Celtics will want to put that offer in front of him to let him know how much he’s appreciated. But they shouldn’t be offended if he wants to wait to maximize money down the road.


Fill out Ime Udoka's coaching staff

With Will Hardy’s departure, and some assistants/support staff likely to follow him to Utah, Udoka will have some spots to fill or shuffle on his staff.

If Joe Mazzulla is back after being in the Utah head coaching mix this summer, it would seem likely he’s bumped up to a front-of-the-bench role.


Pick the training camp destination

Hey, Brad and Ime, it’s time to take training back on the road gain. Put in that reservation for the Rodgers Recreation Center on the campus of Salve Regina.

Let the boys get out of the Auerbach Center for a few days at the start of another potential nine-month odyssey, and let them bond on the Cliff Walk. It’s a long season and there will be PLENTY of time to hang out in Brighton.


Bob
MY NOTE:  The TPE can be used as part of a multi-team deal in which the Celtics get draft picks in exchange for using the TPE to make the salaries work for the other teams.  Gyso may tell us that draft picks don't qualify as "a traded player" for the purpose of TPEs but there are always players at the end of the bench that have expiring contracts that can be traded to the Celtics and then waived.  One could argue "why should we help other teams improve themselves?" (e.g. why would we help facilitate the trade of Kyrie to LAL?) and that's a fair question but $17M is a lot of asset power not to use.

As far as a "bruising big" goes, assuming we don't get Thomas Bryant or any of the other usual suspects, I wonder what Baynes has left in him?

I think the last time the team had camp in Newport was Brad's rookie year. The Mansions Tour would blow a few of their minds, I suspect.


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[bobheckler]

I'm seeing rumors that the Celtics are interested in signing Melo.

To be honest, because he'd be #10 or #11 I have mixed feelings about this.  If he was our 6th, 7th, or even 8th man it'd be an easy 'no!'.  I'd still be really conflicted, but 10th or 11th?  He played in 69 games and averaged 26mpg last year for the Lakers, 1793 minutes total.  That's pretty durable.  He shot 37.5% from 3, which isn't bad.  His /minute production is still pretty good.  He has always been a half-hearted defender, so there's not much of a step to lose there.  I'm just afraid that Jayson will want to turn into him.  Scared to death, if the truth be told.

Having a Gerald Green "break glass in case of emergency" veteran shooter on the bench would be a plus.  Gallinari is going to get most of those minutes but what with COVID, injuries and rest for the players who are getting heavier minutes...? Let's face it, if our offense goes icy, as it did in the Finals, Melo will not be shy about shooting and that could unclog whatever mental block is bothering us.

What do you think?  If Brad can sign Carmelo Anthony for the veteran's minimum, should he?


Bob


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[Ktron]

War Criminal Apprentice? Naw our boy has no dog in him.
What’s his pedigree when he hangs out with a savage that went out of his way to take numerous victory laps disrespecting Tatum’s team/teammates and most importantly dogged out his co-star Jaylen Brown!
I just don’t know about this Super Star of ours.
Lawd take me back to the 80’s, Please!

[dboss]

I'm seeing rumors that the Celtics are interested in signing Melo.

To be honest, because he'd be #10 or #11 I have mixed feelings about this.  If he was our 6th, 7th, or even 8th man it'd be an easy 'no!'.  I'd still be really conflicted, but 10th or 11th?  He played in 69 games and averaged 26mpg last year for the Lakers, 1793 minutes total.  That's pretty durable.  He shot 37.5% from 3, which isn't bad.  His /minute production is still pretty good.  He has always been a half-hearted defender, so there's not much of a step to lose there.  I'm just afraid that Jayson will want to turn into him.  Scared to death, if the truth be told.

Having a Gerald Green "break glass in case of emergency" veteran shooter on the bench would be a plus.  Gallinari is going to get most of those minutes but what with COVID, injuries and rest for the players who are getting heavier minutes...?  Let's face it, if our offense goes icy, as it did in the Finals, Melo will not be shy about shooting and that could unclog whatever mental block is bothering us.

bob

Melo is at least as good if not better today than Gallinari. I think there are not enough minutes to go around for both of them.

The Celtics could have signed Melo for the vet min or maybe half of the MLE and used the rest on someone else (like a center) I felt like we should have signed Melo last year

I read a rumor that Melo may go back to the Knicks. That will be a disaster because Thibs is a disaster.

I am not unhappy in the least that we signed Gallinari but I would have been just as pleased if it were Melo.







What do you think?  If Brad can sign Carmelo Anthony for the veteran's minimum, should he?


Bob


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[dboss]

War Criminal Apprentice? Naw our boy has no dog in him.
What’s his pedigree when he hangs out with a savage that went out of his way to take numerous victory laps disrespecting Tatum’s team/teammates and most importantly dogged out his co-star Jaylen Brown!
I just don’t know about this Super Star of ours.
Lawd take me back to the 80’s, Please!

Here is one with Tatum and Grant and Draymond taken on July 4th

https://www.audacy.com/national/sports/jayson-tatum-grant-williams-pose-for-picture-with-draymond

Does not phase me in the least.

[112288]

War Criminal Apprentice? Naw our boy has no dog in him.
What’s his pedigree when he hangs out with a savage that went out of his way to take numerous victory laps disrespecting Tatum’s team/teammates and most importantly dogged out his co-star Jaylen Brown!
I just don’t know about this Super Star of ours.
Lawd take me back to the 80’s, Please!

Where did you find this picture Katron?   After Green went after Brown after everything was over and done with, with the playoffs!   That guy is a low class jerk.  For Tatum to be hanging with Green is kind of odd knowing Green was spitting in the face of your teammate, even though the 2 have been friends and has appeared on Green's talk show on Apple Pod casts.

Starting to wonder about Tatum.  For the record, I really do not care what a person does with ones body. It is their's and they can do what they choose to do. However, if the person chooses to alter one's body appearance radically from prior years, it does point out that there is a change in that person's mind set - psychologically.  

People get tattoos for many reasons: for attention, self-expression, artistic freedom, rebellion, a visual display of a personal narrative, reminders of spiritual/cultural traditions.   Many of his tattoos signify where he came from (St Louis), religious beliefs (Proverb 3:5-6), Kobe Bryant, and a mother and child.  

The tattoos are deep personal feels and I am wondering if these tattoo's tell us something about Tatum as a person.  Perhaps Tatum is not the the alpha dog everyone has been wanting him to be.  The fire in the belly type of person like KG.  Maybe he does not want to be the out and out leader of the Celtics verbally, but rather a quiet reserve person who just wants to contribute in his own way to the team.   It could also signify that he may have a low esteem of himself and needs body art to continually remind himself that he is very talented player through inspiration of the various tattoos.

Attached is a website discussing Jayson Tatum’s 8 Tattoos & Their Meanings

https://bodyartguru.com/jayson-tatum-tattoos/

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[112288]

I'm seeing rumors that the Celtics are interested in signing Melo.

To be honest, because he'd be #10 or #11 I have mixed feelings about this.  If he was our 6th, 7th, or even 8th man it'd be an easy 'no!'.  I'd still be really conflicted, but 10th or 11th?  He played in 69 games and averaged 26mpg last year for the Lakers, 1793 minutes total.  That's pretty durable.  He shot 37.5% from 3, which isn't bad.  His /minute production is still pretty good.  He has always been a half-hearted defender, so there's not much of a step to lose there.  I'm just afraid that Jayson will want to turn into him.  Scared to death, if the truth be told.

Having a Gerald Green "break glass in case of emergency" veteran shooter on the bench would be a plus.  Gallinari is going to get most of those minutes but what with COVID, injuries and rest for the players who are getting heavier minutes...?  Let's face it, if our offense goes icy, as it did in the Finals, Melo will not be shy about shooting and that could unclog whatever mental block is bothering us.

bob

Melo is at least as good if not better today than Gallinari.  I think there are not enough minutes to go around for both of them.

The Celtics could have signed Melo for the vet min or maybe half of the MLE  and used the rest on someone else (like a center) I felt like we should have signed Melo last year

I read a rumor that Melo may go back to the Knicks.  That will be a disaster because Thibs is a disaster.

I am not unhappy in the least that we signed Gallinari but I would have been just as pleased if it were Melo.







What do you think?  If Brad can sign Carmelo Anthony for the veteran's minimum, should he?


Bob


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Bob, Why not. Melo can give us the quick firepower that we need in shot bursts! Do it Brad!

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[gyso]

Most of these players are friends or at least friendly towards each other. They're peers and sometime in their lives, they may have been teammates. They all have more in common with each other than they do with fans. Even after the Royal PITA screwed our team, he still gets greetings and hugs from his old teammates, the very team he screwed.

Fans want it to be one team and their fans against another team and their fans, but it will never be that anymore. The reality is the us vs. them comes down to players vs. fans.

The players see it every day, the hate and venom spewed at players. The result is that they bond with each other even more. Doesn't that upset the fans even more.

The world has moved on.

[Ktron]

War Criminal Apprentice? Naw our boy has no dog in him.
What’s his pedigree when he hangs out with a savage that went out of his way to take numerous victory laps disrespecting Tatum’s team/teammates and most importantly dogged out his co-star Jaylen Brown!
I just don’t know about this Super Star of ours.
Lawd take me back to the 80’s, Please!

Where did you find this picture Katron?   After Green went after Brown after everything was over and done with, with the playoffs!   That guy is a low class jerk.  For Tatum to be hanging with Green is kind of odd knowing Green was spitting in the face of your teammate, even though the 2 have been friends and has appeared on Green's talk show on Apple Pod casts.

Starting to wonder about Tatum.  For the record, I really do not care what a person does with ones body. It is their's and they can do what they choose to do. However, if the person chooses to alter one's body appearance radically from prior years, it does point out that there is a change in that person's mind set - psychologically.  

People get tattoos for many reasons: for attention, self-expression, artistic freedom, rebellion, a visual display of a personal narrative, reminders of spiritual/cultural traditions.   Many of his tattoos signify where he came from (St Louis), religious beliefs (Proverb 3:5-6), Kobe Bryant, and a mother and child.  

The tattoos are deep personal feels and I am wondering if these tattoo's tell us something about Tatum as a person.  Perhaps Tatum is not the the alpha dog everyone has been wanting him to be.  The fire in the belly type of person like KG.  Maybe he does not want to be the out and out leader of the Celtics verbally, but rather a quiet reserve person who just wants to contribute in his own way to the team.   It could also signify that he may have a low esteem of himself and needs body art to continually remind himself that he is very talented player through inspiration of the various tattoos.

Attached is a website discussing Jayson Tatum’s 8 Tattoos & Their Meanings

https://bodyartguru.com/jayson-tatum-tattoos/

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Twitter. Tatum will never be an alpha dog. Its not in his DNA. He’s too busy buddying up with folks and crying to referees. The Savage Green has had just about everyone on his pitiful lil podcast. Looks like Tatum went for the okey doke if he thinks this Savage is his friend.

[Ktron]

War Criminal Apprentice? Naw our boy has no dog in him.
What’s his pedigree when he hangs out with a savage that went out of his way to take numerous victory laps disrespecting Tatum’s team/teammates and most importantly dogged out his co-star Jaylen Brown!
I just don’t know about this Super Star of ours.
Lawd take me back to the 80’s, Please!

Here is one with Tatum and Grant and Draymond taken on July 4th

https://www.audacy.com/national/sports/jayson-tatum-grant-williams-pose-for-picture-with-draymond

Does not phase me in the least.  

You took the time to respond to it so obviously it does.

[Ktron]

Most of these players are friends or at least friendly towards each other.  They're peers and sometime in their lives, they may have been teammates.  They all have more in common with each other than they do with fans.  Even after the Royal PITA screwed our team, he still gets greetings and hugs from his old teammates, the very team he screwed.

Fans want it to be one team and their fans against another team and their fans, but it will never be that anymore.  The reality is the us vs. them comes down to players vs. fans.

The players see it every day, the hate and venom spewed at players.  The result is that they bond with each other even more.  Doesn't that upset the fans even more.

The world has moved on.  

I believe you missed the entire point.

[dboss]

War Criminal Apprentice? Naw our boy has no dog in him.
What’s his pedigree when he hangs out with a savage that went out of his way to take numerous victory laps disrespecting Tatum’s team/teammates and most importantly dogged out his co-star Jaylen Brown!
I just don’t know about this Super Star of ours.
Lawd take me back to the 80’s, Please!

Here is one with Tatum and Grant and Draymond taken on July 4th

https://www.audacy.com/national/sports/jayson-tatum-grant-williams-pose-for-picture-with-draymond

Does not phase me in the least.  

You took the time to respond to it so obviously it does.

It does not bother me at all that players from different teams hang out.  

Did I miss the point you were making?

[gyso]

Most of these players are friends or at least friendly towards each other.  They're peers and sometime in their lives, they may have been teammates.  They all have more in common with each other than they do with fans.  Even after the Royal PITA screwed our team, he still gets greetings and hugs from his old teammates, the very team he screwed.

Fans want it to be one team and their fans against another team and their fans, but it will never be that anymore.  The reality is the us vs. them comes down to players vs. fans.

The players see it every day, the hate and venom spewed at players.  The result is that they bond with each other even more.  Doesn't that upset the fans even more.

The world has moved on.  

I believe you missed the entire point.

I'm not so sure, it seems like you are mad at Tatum for some odd reason.

[dboss]

Gyso

I grew up watching the Russell Celtics.

The enemy was that brutal guy named Wilt.

We just figured that Bill and Wilt were not friends.

Many many years later Russell revealed the truth.  Off the court they were friends.

There was no social media with look see pictures of rivals mingling together off the court.

Fans forget that the game is just a game.  Fans want their players to take their rivalries with them when they are out and about.

Heaven forbid that one of our beloved players should dare to collaborate with the enemy.

It would take a rather bizzare logic to believe that especially if a fan has long time loyalty to a particular team and significant  media experience.  No justification for such ignorance

[willjr]

Social media and AAU have allowed these players to meet and form bonds/friendships. Due to the AAU circuit many of these young men have known each other since they hit a double digit age. It is inevitable and understandable that the players socialize off the court. Also consider that many share the same representation, which means that the all important “branding” and endorsement opportunities also brings them together and allows for off court bonds to form. As Dboss Russ/Wilt analogy reflects, it’s a different world. The concept of fraternizing with the enemy is totally foreign, and probably totally ridiculous, to today’s players in all sports but especially basketball. Even in the other 3 major sports year round camps, tourneys and recruiting trips brings kids/athletes together. Friendship and camaraderie is as natural to them as breathing.

[Ktron]

Gyso

I grew up watching the Russell Celtics.

The enemy was that brutal guy named Wilt.

We just figured that Bill and Wilt were not friends.

Many many years later Russell revealed the truth.  Off the court they were friends.

There was no social media with look see pictures of rivals mingling together off the court.

Fans forget that the game is just a game.  Fans want their players to take their rivalries with them when they are out and about.

Heaven forbid that one of our beloved players should dare to collaborate with the enemy.

It would take a rather bizzare logic to believe that especially if a fan has long time loyalty to a particular team and significant  media experience.  No justification for such ignorance

I know they’re friends same with Wilt and Russell. That is not the point. Lets not start with the insults. Ignorance is everywhere.
I can go there too but giving the source it ain’t even worth. Enjoy the balance of your day. HH

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