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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by Ktron Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:13 pm
dboss wrote:112288
For the record, I think Luke would be an excellent addition to the team.
If I recall, he played with Tatum at Duke.
I am pretty happy with our starting 5 and see no good reason to change out a player especially Brown.
Brad has been adamant about adding new guys and how fragile that can be. He does not want to screw up our chemistry.
I just do not see the Celtics going after Durant or any other star player while using a star player+ to acquire him. I think that would be counter productive.
We are going to be fine. Just add a couple of quality guys and depth issues goes away.
We should expect improvement from our pillars. Neither has hit their ceiling.
We should expect improvement from our pillars. Neither has hit their ceiling
What makes you so certain that neither has hit their ceiling? I would hope your are right but neither are a given.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:15 pm
dboss wrote:Here are a few options for using our Tax payer MLE. no particular order here.
Malik Monk UFA $1.8 million
Bobby Portis has a PO, $4.4 million
Carmelo Anthony UFA $2.6 million
Bryn Forbes UFA $4.5 million
Wayne Ellington UFA$2.6 million
Otto Porter UFA $2.4 million
Mitchell Robinson UFA $1.6 million
Victor Olidipo UFA $2.4 million
The Celtics have a legit opportunity to do a little poaching.
Have at it folks.
dboss,
Nice list. Thanks.
In your order, and no other:
Monk - On defense, no defense. Didn't matter if he was in Charlotte or LA, no defense. On offense, no conscience. Terrible shot discipline, in my opinion.
Portis - I doubt he leaves Milwaukee. He has a sense of loyalty to them. They saved his career. I'd love to have him if he promises not to punch anybody in the face. He's the type of instigator Tommy would love to have in green.
Anthony - ROTFLMAO. Thanks, I needed this.
Forbes - not a floor general. 118 DefRtg. In 6 seasons, on 3 different teams, his DefRtg was never below 114. Pritchard's DefRtg last season was 110, and he's one of our weakest defenders.
Ellington - almost 35. Mediocre defender but can shoot. Low risk rental.
Porter - He'd be great coming off our bench. If Jordan Poole gets and takes an offer he can't refuse from another team GSW will resign Porter. White, Porter, Pritchard, Grant and maybe Theis would be a solid 6-10. Almost a starting 5.
Robinson - It would be just like James Dolan to let him walk, but I doubt he will. There has to be some limit to Dolan's stupidity.
Oladipo - Last year was a "prove it" year for him. He only played 8 games but played well in the playoffs. The Heat were the #1 seed without Oladipo, they can justify keeping him as a "break glass in case of playoff emergency" player. I think Riley will not let him go, if he can help it. I'd love to have him, though, he's a bucket. He has an ego but maybe that's because he's been in the wrong system. 30 year old Oladipo or 31 1/2 year old Terrence Ross? Hmmm.
What makes this hard is that we really don't know what's happening with Nesmith. We're not in practice, we're not in the gym, we're not in the film room and, most importantly, we're not in Ime's coaches meetings. Has Ime given up on him? I don't think so, he's put him in games for impact early minutes, but Brad might have. If they decide, either because they still believe in him or because he's under contract for two more years at very affordable numbers ($3.8M this year and $5.6M next year) then the Terrence Ross/Victor Oladipo/Wayne Ellington possibilities diminish. It'd be hard to find time for those shooters and Pritchard and Nesmith. Something, or rather someone, has to give.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:55 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-free-agent-targets-2022-184500002.html
Celtics free agent targets 2022: Eight realistic options who can bolster roster
Darren Hartwell
Sat, June 25, 2022 at 11:45 AM
There's a pretty high bar for success in Boston.
That explains why, after the Celtics' best season in over a decade, the conversation has immediately turned to how Brad Stevens and his staff can improve the roster after falling to the Golden State Warriors in the 2022 NBA Finals.
Boston's to-do list isn't long; every regular rotation player is under contract through at least the 2022-23 season, and Stevens recently suggested that he prefers to add auxiliary pieces rather than break up the core.
The Celtics have clear needs, however. Stevens highlighted bench scoring and playmaking as areas of focus on the free agent and trade markets, while head coach Ime Udoka appears to have a veteran scorer on his wish list.
Since the C's are already over the luxury tax, don't expect them to sign a big-name free agent making north of $20 million. But they do have the $6.39 million taxpayer midlevel exception at their disposal, and there are a few intriguing names who might be willing to come to Boston on such a deal.
Here are eight players the Celtics could realistically target with the $6.39 million MLE when NBA free agency begins on Thursday, June 30.
1. T.J. Warren, Indiana Pacers
Age: 28
Height, weight: 6-foot-8, 220 pounds
*2019-20 stats: 19.8 points, 4.2 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 53.6 percent FG, 40.3 percent 3PT
*Missed 68 games in 2020-21 and all of 2021-22 due to a stress fracture in his left foot
Warren has played just four games in the last two seasons, so this would be a gamble. But he was an absolute stud before his injury, earning All-Bubble First Team honors in 2020 after averaging 31 points over the Pacers' eight games in Orlando.
Warren is the best pure scorer on this list and could be a floor-spacing weapon on Boston's second unit ... assuming he can return to his pre-injury level.
MY NOTE: Stress fractures worry me. They don't worry me as much with wings as they do with centers but...He's a bucket, for sure.
2. Otto Porter Jr., Golden State Warriors
Age: 29
Height, weight: 6-foot-8, 198 pounds
2021-22 stats: 8.2 points, 5.7 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 46.4 percent FG, 37.0 percent 3PT
Stevens had a front-row seat when Porter hit 56.3 percent of his 3-pointers against the Celtics in the Finals. While that was an aberration, the nine-year veteran does a lot of things well and is a very good defender who would fit the mold of the stabilizing veteran presence that Udoka covets.
If Porter doesn't re-sign with the champs, the Celtics should come calling.
3. Bruce Brown, Brooklyn Nets
Age: 25
Height, weight: 6-foot-4, 200 pounds
2021-22 stats: 9.0 points, 4.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 50.3 percent FG, 40.4 percent 3PT
Udoka worked with Brown as a Nets assistant coach during the 2020-21 season, so he's well aware that the Boston native is a strong defender with a quality 3-point shot.
Brown played well against his hometown team in the first round of the playoffs, and his two-way prowess would make him a nice complement to Marcus Smart and Derrick White in the backcourt.
MY NOTE: An upgrade over either Pritchard or Nesmith. Not a point guard, though, so not a complete replacement for Pritchard. More of a "little bit of everything" guard.
4. Patty Mills, Brooklyn Nets
Age: 33
Height, weight: 6-foot-1, 180 pounds
2021-22 stats: 11.4 points, 1.9 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 40.8 percent FG, 40.0 percent 3PT
Speaking of Udoka connections... Mills and Udoka go way back, having spent seven seasons together on the Spurs (2012 to 2019) when Udoka was an assistant in San Antonio.
Mills might be past his prime, but he's still a solid facilitator and an above-average shooter who doesn't turn the ball over and has a championship on his résumé.
MY NOTE: Do you miss Eddie House? Well Patty Mills is this era's Eddie House.
5. Gary Harris, Orlando Magic
Age: 27
Height, weight: 6-foot-4, 210 pounds
2021-22 stats: 11.1 points, 2.0 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 43.4 percent FG, 38.4 percent 3PT
Much like Brown, Harris is a solid two-way combo guard who scored a career-high 36 points against the Celtics back in 2017. He'd probably welcome a move to Boston after spending the last season and a half on the bottom-dwelling Orlando Magic.
MY NOTE: Depending upon what the Nets get for Kyrie, and whether KD decides to stay, the Nyets may be in "seller mode". Orlando always is. There's no magic on the Magic, hasn't been since Shaq and Penny.
6. Kyle Anderson, Memphis Grizzlies
Age: 28
Height, weight: 6-foot-9, 230 pounds
2021-22 stats: 7.6 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 44.6 percent FG, 33.0 percent 3PT
Anderson also has a history with Udoka, having spent his first four seasons in San Antonio. He's not the best outside shooter but is an above-average facilitator who would fit nicely as a stretch four on Boston's second unit.
MassLive's Brian Robb reported last summer that the Celtics have had their eye on Anderson for "quite some time," so they're apparently familiar with his skill set.
MY NOTE: 6'9" with a 7'3" wingspan. Slow of foot, his nickname is "Slo-Mo" but he has skills.
7. Isaiah Hartenstein, Los Angeles Clippers
Age: 24
Height, weight: 7-foot, 250 pounds
2021-22 stats: 8.3 points, 4.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 62.6 percent FG, 46.7 percent 3PT
Hartenstein isn't a household name, but don't sleep on the 7-foot big man, who is coming off a career season in which he developed an impressive 3-point shot (14 for 30 from beyond the arc).
Hartenstein is a very good facilitator for his size and could ease the burden on Robert Williams and Al Horford in the frontcourt if the C's view him as an upgrade over Daniel Theis.
MY NOTE: 14 of 30? We're supposed to come to a conclusion based upon 30 3pt fgas? Theis has taken 480 3pt fgas in his career and shot 35.7% from there last season. Brad talked about delicate chemistry? Theis' teammates love him.
8. Nicolas Batum, Los Angeles Clippers
Age: 33
Height, weight: 6-foot-8, 230 pounds
2021-22 stats: 8.3 points, 4.3 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 46.3 percent FG, 40.0 percent 3PT
We're obligated to include Batum, who reportedly is expected to draw "strong interest" from Boston and a handful of other teams in free agency.
As a versatile 3-and-D player who can guard multiple positions and space the floor, Batum would be a natural fit on the Celtics' second unit.
Bob
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Celtics free agent targets 2022: Eight realistic options who can bolster roster
Darren Hartwell
Sat, June 25, 2022 at 11:45 AM
There's a pretty high bar for success in Boston.
That explains why, after the Celtics' best season in over a decade, the conversation has immediately turned to how Brad Stevens and his staff can improve the roster after falling to the Golden State Warriors in the 2022 NBA Finals.
Boston's to-do list isn't long; every regular rotation player is under contract through at least the 2022-23 season, and Stevens recently suggested that he prefers to add auxiliary pieces rather than break up the core.
The Celtics have clear needs, however. Stevens highlighted bench scoring and playmaking as areas of focus on the free agent and trade markets, while head coach Ime Udoka appears to have a veteran scorer on his wish list.
Since the C's are already over the luxury tax, don't expect them to sign a big-name free agent making north of $20 million. But they do have the $6.39 million taxpayer midlevel exception at their disposal, and there are a few intriguing names who might be willing to come to Boston on such a deal.
Here are eight players the Celtics could realistically target with the $6.39 million MLE when NBA free agency begins on Thursday, June 30.
1. T.J. Warren, Indiana Pacers
Age: 28
Height, weight: 6-foot-8, 220 pounds
*2019-20 stats: 19.8 points, 4.2 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 53.6 percent FG, 40.3 percent 3PT
*Missed 68 games in 2020-21 and all of 2021-22 due to a stress fracture in his left foot
Warren has played just four games in the last two seasons, so this would be a gamble. But he was an absolute stud before his injury, earning All-Bubble First Team honors in 2020 after averaging 31 points over the Pacers' eight games in Orlando.
Warren is the best pure scorer on this list and could be a floor-spacing weapon on Boston's second unit ... assuming he can return to his pre-injury level.
MY NOTE: Stress fractures worry me. They don't worry me as much with wings as they do with centers but...He's a bucket, for sure.
2. Otto Porter Jr., Golden State Warriors
Age: 29
Height, weight: 6-foot-8, 198 pounds
2021-22 stats: 8.2 points, 5.7 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 46.4 percent FG, 37.0 percent 3PT
Stevens had a front-row seat when Porter hit 56.3 percent of his 3-pointers against the Celtics in the Finals. While that was an aberration, the nine-year veteran does a lot of things well and is a very good defender who would fit the mold of the stabilizing veteran presence that Udoka covets.
If Porter doesn't re-sign with the champs, the Celtics should come calling.
3. Bruce Brown, Brooklyn Nets
Age: 25
Height, weight: 6-foot-4, 200 pounds
2021-22 stats: 9.0 points, 4.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 50.3 percent FG, 40.4 percent 3PT
Udoka worked with Brown as a Nets assistant coach during the 2020-21 season, so he's well aware that the Boston native is a strong defender with a quality 3-point shot.
Brown played well against his hometown team in the first round of the playoffs, and his two-way prowess would make him a nice complement to Marcus Smart and Derrick White in the backcourt.
MY NOTE: An upgrade over either Pritchard or Nesmith. Not a point guard, though, so not a complete replacement for Pritchard. More of a "little bit of everything" guard.
4. Patty Mills, Brooklyn Nets
Age: 33
Height, weight: 6-foot-1, 180 pounds
2021-22 stats: 11.4 points, 1.9 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 40.8 percent FG, 40.0 percent 3PT
Speaking of Udoka connections... Mills and Udoka go way back, having spent seven seasons together on the Spurs (2012 to 2019) when Udoka was an assistant in San Antonio.
Mills might be past his prime, but he's still a solid facilitator and an above-average shooter who doesn't turn the ball over and has a championship on his résumé.
MY NOTE: Do you miss Eddie House? Well Patty Mills is this era's Eddie House.
5. Gary Harris, Orlando Magic
Age: 27
Height, weight: 6-foot-4, 210 pounds
2021-22 stats: 11.1 points, 2.0 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 43.4 percent FG, 38.4 percent 3PT
Much like Brown, Harris is a solid two-way combo guard who scored a career-high 36 points against the Celtics back in 2017. He'd probably welcome a move to Boston after spending the last season and a half on the bottom-dwelling Orlando Magic.
MY NOTE: Depending upon what the Nets get for Kyrie, and whether KD decides to stay, the Nyets may be in "seller mode". Orlando always is. There's no magic on the Magic, hasn't been since Shaq and Penny.
6. Kyle Anderson, Memphis Grizzlies
Age: 28
Height, weight: 6-foot-9, 230 pounds
2021-22 stats: 7.6 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 44.6 percent FG, 33.0 percent 3PT
Anderson also has a history with Udoka, having spent his first four seasons in San Antonio. He's not the best outside shooter but is an above-average facilitator who would fit nicely as a stretch four on Boston's second unit.
MassLive's Brian Robb reported last summer that the Celtics have had their eye on Anderson for "quite some time," so they're apparently familiar with his skill set.
MY NOTE: 6'9" with a 7'3" wingspan. Slow of foot, his nickname is "Slo-Mo" but he has skills.
7. Isaiah Hartenstein, Los Angeles Clippers
Age: 24
Height, weight: 7-foot, 250 pounds
2021-22 stats: 8.3 points, 4.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 62.6 percent FG, 46.7 percent 3PT
Hartenstein isn't a household name, but don't sleep on the 7-foot big man, who is coming off a career season in which he developed an impressive 3-point shot (14 for 30 from beyond the arc).
Hartenstein is a very good facilitator for his size and could ease the burden on Robert Williams and Al Horford in the frontcourt if the C's view him as an upgrade over Daniel Theis.
MY NOTE: 14 of 30? We're supposed to come to a conclusion based upon 30 3pt fgas? Theis has taken 480 3pt fgas in his career and shot 35.7% from there last season. Brad talked about delicate chemistry? Theis' teammates love him.
8. Nicolas Batum, Los Angeles Clippers
Age: 33
Height, weight: 6-foot-8, 230 pounds
2021-22 stats: 8.3 points, 4.3 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 46.3 percent FG, 40.0 percent 3PT
We're obligated to include Batum, who reportedly is expected to draw "strong interest" from Boston and a handful of other teams in free agency.
As a versatile 3-and-D player who can guard multiple positions and space the floor, Batum would be a natural fit on the Celtics' second unit.
Bob
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:03 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-bradley-beal-truly-undecided-201000393.html
Report: Bradley Beal 'truly undecided' about future, impacted by Celtics' NBA Finals run
Darren Hartwell
Sat, June 25, 2022 at 1:10 PM
Bradley Beal has been with Washington Wizards for his entire NBA career. But his loyalty might be tested this summer.
Amid speculation that Beal is expected to decline his $36.4 million player option and enter unrestricted free agency on June 30, Audacy's Quinton Mayo reported on his podcast, The Quinton Mayo Show, that the All-Star guard has yet to make up his mind about whether he'll re-sign with Washington or seek greener pastures.
"From what I've heard in my conversations with people close to Brad (and) with Brad, he's truly undecided about what's next," Mayo said.
The Boston Celtics have been rumored as a potential landing spot for Beal thanks to his close relationship with Jayson Tatum. (The two grew up together in St. Louis, and Beal even babysat Tatum as a young child.)
Beal followed Tatum's Celtics closely throughout their playoff run -- he was at TD Garden for Game 4 of the NBA Finals -- and Mayo believes that Beal might be longing for more after watching Tatum and a trio of his former Wizards teammates compete in the NBA Finals.
"I think watching Boston get to the NBA Finals and then seeing a guy like Jayson Tatum, who is his young bull, play at the highest level -- I think that did something to him," Mayo said.
"I think seeing guys like Otto Porter Jr. win a ring, Chris Chiozza (former Wizard) win a ring, Gary Payton II win a ring -- I think all of those things have definitely factored into the next decision that he makes."
Beal is a very accomplished player who has made three NBA All-Star teams and was Third-Team All-NBA in 2021. But he's never advanced past the second round of the playoffs over 10 seasons in Washington, and the Wizards aren't close to being serious contenders in 2022-23.
Beal has stuck it out through several roster experiments in Washington, including one season with an aging Paul Pierce in 2014-15 and a partnership with Russell Westbrook in 2020-21 that resulted in a first-round playoff exit. We wouldn't blame the 28-year-old for wanting to leave the Wizards for a serious title contender before he passes his prime.
Boston, with two young stars in Tatum and Jaylen Brown, would seem like an enticing place for Beal to compete for a championship. Acquiring Beal would be difficult for the Celtics and would require them to part with at least one core player (potentially Brown), but if Beal indeed wants out, expect Boston to be mentioned as a potential destination.
Bob
MY NOTE: Your daily dose of Bradley Beal crack pipe. We'll find out what's what in < 1 week. If this doesn't happen soon then it won't happen until the trading deadline or even next year when Beal opts in or out of his final year. Are you willing to give up Jaylen for Beal?
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Report: Bradley Beal 'truly undecided' about future, impacted by Celtics' NBA Finals run
Darren Hartwell
Sat, June 25, 2022 at 1:10 PM
Bradley Beal has been with Washington Wizards for his entire NBA career. But his loyalty might be tested this summer.
Amid speculation that Beal is expected to decline his $36.4 million player option and enter unrestricted free agency on June 30, Audacy's Quinton Mayo reported on his podcast, The Quinton Mayo Show, that the All-Star guard has yet to make up his mind about whether he'll re-sign with Washington or seek greener pastures.
"From what I've heard in my conversations with people close to Brad (and) with Brad, he's truly undecided about what's next," Mayo said.
The Boston Celtics have been rumored as a potential landing spot for Beal thanks to his close relationship with Jayson Tatum. (The two grew up together in St. Louis, and Beal even babysat Tatum as a young child.)
Beal followed Tatum's Celtics closely throughout their playoff run -- he was at TD Garden for Game 4 of the NBA Finals -- and Mayo believes that Beal might be longing for more after watching Tatum and a trio of his former Wizards teammates compete in the NBA Finals.
"I think watching Boston get to the NBA Finals and then seeing a guy like Jayson Tatum, who is his young bull, play at the highest level -- I think that did something to him," Mayo said.
"I think seeing guys like Otto Porter Jr. win a ring, Chris Chiozza (former Wizard) win a ring, Gary Payton II win a ring -- I think all of those things have definitely factored into the next decision that he makes."
Beal is a very accomplished player who has made three NBA All-Star teams and was Third-Team All-NBA in 2021. But he's never advanced past the second round of the playoffs over 10 seasons in Washington, and the Wizards aren't close to being serious contenders in 2022-23.
Beal has stuck it out through several roster experiments in Washington, including one season with an aging Paul Pierce in 2014-15 and a partnership with Russell Westbrook in 2020-21 that resulted in a first-round playoff exit. We wouldn't blame the 28-year-old for wanting to leave the Wizards for a serious title contender before he passes his prime.
Boston, with two young stars in Tatum and Jaylen Brown, would seem like an enticing place for Beal to compete for a championship. Acquiring Beal would be difficult for the Celtics and would require them to part with at least one core player (potentially Brown), but if Beal indeed wants out, expect Boston to be mentioned as a potential destination.
Bob
MY NOTE: Your daily dose of Bradley Beal crack pipe. We'll find out what's what in < 1 week. If this doesn't happen soon then it won't happen until the trading deadline or even next year when Beal opts in or out of his final year. Are you willing to give up Jaylen for Beal?
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:29 pm
I forgot that we have Nik Stauskas under contract for another year for $2.2M. It becomes fully guaranteed on 7/15/22 so, between the $17M TPE and Stauskas, Brad has a couple of decisions coming up in < 3 weeks.
Keeping Stauskas not only relieves some of the pressure on finding wing bench scoring it would also make you wonder about Nesmith's future in green. They're both 6'5" - 6'6". Both shooters, although Nesmith hasn't proved it yet (as I've said before, we're not in the practices, etc), both are right-aged (Nesmith is almost 23, Stauskas is almost 29).
Nesmith makes $3.8M this year, so he's more expensive than Stauskas, and has a club option $5.6M the year after that.
I don't know if we need Nesmith and Stauskas. Stauskas has played 343 NBA games, 6700 NBA minutes and is a 38.9% 3pt shooter on 1131 3pt fgas. Nesmith was reputed to be the best shooter in his draft and has underwhelmed, to say the least.
Bob
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Keeping Stauskas not only relieves some of the pressure on finding wing bench scoring it would also make you wonder about Nesmith's future in green. They're both 6'5" - 6'6". Both shooters, although Nesmith hasn't proved it yet (as I've said before, we're not in the practices, etc), both are right-aged (Nesmith is almost 23, Stauskas is almost 29).
Nesmith makes $3.8M this year, so he's more expensive than Stauskas, and has a club option $5.6M the year after that.
I don't know if we need Nesmith and Stauskas. Stauskas has played 343 NBA games, 6700 NBA minutes and is a 38.9% 3pt shooter on 1131 3pt fgas. Nesmith was reputed to be the best shooter in his draft and has underwhelmed, to say the least.
Bob
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by dboss Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:58 pm
Ktron wrote:dboss wrote:112288
For the record, I think Luke would be an excellent addition to the team.
If I recall, he played with Tatum at Duke.
I am pretty happy with our starting 5 and see no good reason to change out a player especially Brown.
Brad has been adamant about adding new guys and how fragile that can be. He does not want to screw up our chemistry.
I just do not see the Celtics going after Durant or any other star player while using a star player+ to acquire him. I think that would be counter productive.
We are going to be fine. Just add a couple of quality guys and depth issues goes away.
We should expect improvement from our pillars. Neither has hit their ceiling.
We should expect improvement from our pillars. Neither has hit their ceiling
What makes you so certain that neither has hit their ceiling? I would hope your are right but neither are a given.
ktron certainties and expectations are not the same thing my friend.
The experience factor should help both of them get better. They have not hit their prime yet. If they were already in their prime I would be less inclined to expect improvement.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by Ktron Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:11 pm
Dboss, You stated that “neither has hit their ceiling”. Sounds like more than expectations. Same with prime. Age wise they have not but we cannot say or assume that they haven’t hit their ceiling. They may have-or not. One can only hope.dboss wrote:Ktron wrote:dboss wrote:112288
For the record, I think Luke would be an excellent addition to the team.
If I recall, he played with Tatum at Duke.
I am pretty happy with our starting 5 and see no good reason to change out a player especially Brown.
Brad has been adamant about adding new guys and how fragile that can be. He does not want to screw up our chemistry.
I just do not see the Celtics going after Durant or any other star player while using a star player+ to acquire him. I think that would be counter productive.
We are going to be fine. Just add a couple of quality guys and depth issues goes away.
We should expect improvement from our pillars. Neither has hit their ceiling.
We should expect improvement from our pillars. Neither has hit their ceiling
What makes you so certain that neither has hit their ceiling? I would hope your are right but neither are a given.
ktron certainties and expectations are not the same thing my friend.
The experience factor should help both of them get better. They have not hit their prime yet. If they were already in their prime I would be less inclined to expect improvement.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:47 am
https://theathletic.com/3385063/2022/06/27/celtics-free-agency-2022/
Celtics’ free-agent targets: Otto Porter Jr., Danilo Gallinari and others for right price
By Jay King
3h ago
Brad Stevens will be hoping to solidify a strong Celtics rotation when the free-agency period starts this week.
With several potentially useful trade exceptions, free agency won’t be Stevens’ only avenue toward roster improvement. It will still give him a chance to surround Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown with more help. Projected to be over the luxury-tax threshold, the Celtics will have the projected $6.3 million taxpayer midlevel exception plus minimum contracts to lure free-agent help.
Based on what he has said publicly, Stevens would like to add more offensive punch without altering his team’s big, defensive-minded identity. It’s tough to find those types of players on a tight budget. Please keep that in mind while reading this list of possible Boston MLE targets, which is loaded with veterans surrounded by question marks. This free-agent big board, based on my own opinions, includes players who could reasonably be available to the Celtics at a price they can afford. If you think I’m crazy for failing to put someone on this list, I probably excluded that player because of a high likelihood he accepts more money elsewhere (or, in Patty Mills’ case, because he doesn’t offer what the Celtics want on one side of the court).
1. T.J. Warren
Warren has played four more games over the last two seasons than I have. He reportedly suffered two straight stress fractures in his left foot. After he missed the entire 2021-22 season, his status is murky. His health could even be bad enough to make him a possibility for the Celtics.
If physically right, Warren would be far out of Boston’s price range. The last time we saw him for a full season, he averaged 19.8 points per game on 53.6 percent shooting from the field, including 40.3 percent on 3-pointers. He peaked late in that season, becoming a bubble king with outings of 53 points, 39 points, 34 points and 32 points over a six-game stretch on the NBA’s Orlando campus. The dude can fill it up when healthy. And do so efficiently. And create his own shot. As a 6-foot-8 wing.
He won’t turn 29 until shortly before the season. The Celtics can afford to wait for him if he needs further rehab. They’re set to return every rotation player and really seem to believe Sam Hauser can play minutes next season. Given their situation, they should be far more interested in finding an addition that can help in the playoffs rather than prioritizing someone mostly to help them get through the regular season. A Warren acquisition would come with obvious risk, but if he’s available for the taxpayer MLE, he would be the rare target at that price with a chance to break into the closing lineup next spring. If he’s willing to play for the Celtics and his health situation is less than a disaster, they should cross their fingers, wish for the best and sign him. If his body is beyond saving, well, please forget I put him atop this list.
2. Danilo Gallinari
At least for the time being, Gallinari remains under contract to the Atlanta Hawks. Still, only $4.5 million of his $21.5 million deal is guaranteed. If the Hawks decide to waive him, he would immediately become one of the most established scorers on the market. Though he will turn 34 before the season starts and had defensive limitations even in his prime, he has shot better than 40 percent on 3-pointers in three of the last four seasons. Defenses need to key in on him.
Gallinari’s impact has begun to dim. He averaged 11.7 points per game last season, the lowest mark of his career with the exception of his rookie season in 2008-09. He’s not exactly on par with all of the plus defenders in Boston’s rotation. He also plays power forward, where the Celtics should feel comfortable with Grant Williams backing up Al Horford. And Boston’s ideal free-agent target would be younger to have a chance of growing with the core. So it wouldn’t be a perfect fit. Gallinari’s still worth a spot near the top of this list if he hits free agency.
Even if he does, the timing could make a pursuit difficult for any team, especially one with limited resources. This could be a long shot for a number of reasons, but Gallinari would give Boston’s offense some juice.
Gary Harris. (Mike Watters / USA Today)
3. Gary Harris
How much does Harris have left? He’s only 27 but comes with obvious questions about his injury history and waning production in recent years. Still, he can handle multiple positions defensively and made 38.4 percent of 3-point attempts this past season in Orlando. If his revived efficiency this past season amounts to anything more than “somebody needed to score on the Magic,” he would be well-suited for a playoff rotation somewhere. For the Celtics, he would fit into the defense-first vision and add to the depth on the wing, potentially limiting the regular-season load on Tatum and Brown. Boston wouldn’t need Harris to score a whole lot, but he would provide a bit of spacing if his outside shooting, which went missing for years, has actually returned. That’s a huge question mark, but he wouldn’t be potentially available at this price without it. He might fetch more than the Celtics can give him anyway.
4. Otto Porter Jr.
Another shooter with size, Porter showed in Golden State last season he can still help a contending team. Why would the Warriors consider letting him go? They don’t have his Bird rights. If he’s looking for more than $2.9 million per season, they would need to sign him with the taxpayer midlevel exception, a tool they left unused this past season. As much as they leaned on Porter, they could replace his production with young players like Moses Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and James Wiseman. With Kevon Looney and Gary Payton II also set to hit free agency, the Warriors — as much as they’re willing to spend — could need to make some financial decisions or could simply choose to free up more playing time for their young prospects.
The author of a weird career so far, Porter is still just 29 and coming off his best season in years. He could command more than the taxpayer midlevel but has banked a lot of money in his career and could conceivably give up some cash for a better chance to win another ring. For whatever teams are in his price range, he would fit well pretty much anywhere, assuming he can stay healthy-ish.
5. Isaiah Hartenstein
Hartenstein has started four games in his career. He came off the bench for the Clippers last season. He plays center, where the Celtics already have Robert Williams, Horford and Daniel Theis.
Hartenstein still made this list for two reasons: 1) At 24, his best basketball should still be in front of him. 2) He’s good. Only eight players averaged at least 16 points, 9 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 2 blocks and 1.5 steals per 36 minutes: Nikola Jokić, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid, Luka Dončić, Domantas Sabonis, Julius Randle, Alperun Sengun and Hartenstein. Most of those guys have been All-Stars. Some of them are MVP candidates. Hartenstein’s contract wasn’t even fully guaranteed until January. He played just 17.9 minutes per game behind Ivica Zubac.
The threshold above was obviously cherry-picked. Still, Hartenstein is a rare big man with plus court vision and solid mobility. Because of that, he could earn the full midlevel exception from another team. The Celtics probably won’t sign anyone at center anyway because they’re set to pay Theis $8.8 million as a backup. But if by whatever chance Boston gets him, he would lighten the load on Williams and Horford and give the team another passing hub.
6. Victor Oladipo
Oladipo, a two-time All-Star, could want more money. He could want a starting role. The Celtics can’t give him either of those things. At best, he would probably be their sixth man. Still, John Hollinger’s BORD$ formula slapped Oladipo with a $3.12 million value. As Hollinger wrote, that’s “very, very much on the low end” of what the guard should actually make, but his calculations suggest there’s still at least a chance Oladipo will be available for $6.3 million per season. If so, it would be doing a disservice to leave him off this list considering how he defended against the Celtics in the Eastern Conference finals. After injuries disrupted his career trajectory, he showed enough athletically to prove he would still be a high-upside investment.
Oladipo wouldn’t be the easiest player to slide next to Tatum and Brown. He has never thrived as a spot-up guy. If he played significant minutes next to Marcus Smart or Payton Pritchard, the Celtics would be giving up some of the size that separated them this past season. Oladipo also has a significant injury history. All of that explains why he’s not higher on the list. Still, he would raise the Celtics ceiling in a way almost nobody else on this list would match.
7 and 8. Cody Martin and Caleb Martin
The 26-year-old Martins both received extra points from me for being young (though maybe not as young as you would think) and presumably still on the rise. Set for restricted free agency, they could both be out of Boston’s price range, but are at least within the realm of possibility.
Though Caleb is a restricted free agent, the Heat don’t have his Bird rights and would therefore need to use their own MLE to match an offer sheet. After Caleb emerged as a dependable rotation piece while shooting 41.3 percent from deep, albeit on limited attempts, several teams should be interested in his services. The Celtics would probably prefer someone with a longer history of knocking down shots, but Caleb’s defense and toughness would both make sense near the end of the Boston rotation. He’s young enough to have upside after earning playoff minutes for the Heat.
Twin brother Cody, one of the few Hornets players interested in defending this past season, would provide a similar fit. He also showed enough offense to earn 26.3 minutes per game. Though he hasn’t proven himself to be a real threat from outside, he shot 38.4 percent on low volume this past season, suggesting he could be developing that part of his game. If he can sustain that efficiency and become more comfortable hoisting shots from deep, he could outperform his next contract. Same goes for his brother.
9. Delon Wright
Wright, who averaged 4.4 points per game last season with a minuscule usage rate, wouldn’t provide the scoring punch Stevens wants. Still, Wright would give the Celtics a bit of everything else from the guard position. He has good size. He can handle the ball. He can pass it, rebound and defend. He’s a helpful player in several ways but would duplicate some of what Boston already has.
10. The aging trio of iffy health: Ricky Rubio, John Wall and Joe Ingles
Fine, I’m cheating. I lumped three players into one. They all have major question marks about their health. If forced to rank them, I would put them in this order:
a) Rubio. He was helpful last season for a Cavaliers team that went 20-14 before he tore his ACL in December and .500 afterward. Though he should be expected to miss part of the upcoming season, he could play either guard spot for Boston without sacrificing anything on the defensive end of the court. Even if he loses a step after the injury (and at age 32 next season), he’s so smart he should still find ways to help.
b) Wall. He has barely played over the past four seasons. He tore his Achilles in 2019 while recovering from a heel injury. Even before that, his physical condition was bad enough to help take down his own team’s defense. He sat out the entire 2021-22 season and will be 32 before training camp begins. Even if he’s healthy enough to recover some of his former impact, he’s a questionable enough shooter that he could be a tough fit on a team with two young wing stars.
All that said, he’s John Wall. The last time he suited up, he averaged 20.6 points and 6.9 assists per game for the Rockets in 2020-21. He even averaged about the same amount of drives per game as Donovan Mitchell. If Wall reaches a buyout with the Rockets, the Celtics should at least do their due diligence on his health status.
c) Ingles. He will only be about nine months removed from a torn ACL when the season starts, so I’m guessing he will miss a significant chunk of the upcoming season. If the Celtics can’t land anyone higher on this list, he could still be worth a bet, injury risks and all. He will be diminished at age 34 and coming off major surgery, but he’s a savvy player with size and shooting touch. If he were still close to his prime, he would offer so much of what Boston needs.
Bob
MY NOTE: Many of the usual suspects covered in other articles/posts here. One that I would not want is John Wall. His whole game was based upon blindingly fast speed. An Achilles will not help that, especially not when he'll be 32 in September.
Gallinari is a name I haven't seen on any lists. I'm not a big fan of his, I don't think he has ever played defense, but he can score. He shot 38% from 3 last year. The problem is that he will make $21.4M this year, and it's his last year. So we'd have to give up salary plus the $17M TPE for him. Hmmm. Not sure I like that.
TPEs do not need to be used all at once. Brad can use half of it on one player and then the other half on another player, for example. This TPE was for Fournier, whom we were going to lose in free agency anyway. Therefore, the way I see things, whomever we get with that TPE is free.
My preference, in general, would be to not get a player that may break down, permanently, mid-season. While I would love a healthy TJ Warren I'm quite cool to the prospect of having a TJ Warren that has had two stress fractures on the same foot. I've always liked Joe Ingles but who knows when, and how well, he'll be back.
Jay King said that we're set to pay This his $8.8M to be a back up this season. I do not see that as a conclusion I'd put much weight into. We don't know Brad well enough yet, as a GM, to say that. He moved Kemba toute suite, and he liked Kemba.
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Celtics’ free-agent targets: Otto Porter Jr., Danilo Gallinari and others for right price
By Jay King
3h ago
Brad Stevens will be hoping to solidify a strong Celtics rotation when the free-agency period starts this week.
With several potentially useful trade exceptions, free agency won’t be Stevens’ only avenue toward roster improvement. It will still give him a chance to surround Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown with more help. Projected to be over the luxury-tax threshold, the Celtics will have the projected $6.3 million taxpayer midlevel exception plus minimum contracts to lure free-agent help.
Based on what he has said publicly, Stevens would like to add more offensive punch without altering his team’s big, defensive-minded identity. It’s tough to find those types of players on a tight budget. Please keep that in mind while reading this list of possible Boston MLE targets, which is loaded with veterans surrounded by question marks. This free-agent big board, based on my own opinions, includes players who could reasonably be available to the Celtics at a price they can afford. If you think I’m crazy for failing to put someone on this list, I probably excluded that player because of a high likelihood he accepts more money elsewhere (or, in Patty Mills’ case, because he doesn’t offer what the Celtics want on one side of the court).
1. T.J. Warren
Warren has played four more games over the last two seasons than I have. He reportedly suffered two straight stress fractures in his left foot. After he missed the entire 2021-22 season, his status is murky. His health could even be bad enough to make him a possibility for the Celtics.
If physically right, Warren would be far out of Boston’s price range. The last time we saw him for a full season, he averaged 19.8 points per game on 53.6 percent shooting from the field, including 40.3 percent on 3-pointers. He peaked late in that season, becoming a bubble king with outings of 53 points, 39 points, 34 points and 32 points over a six-game stretch on the NBA’s Orlando campus. The dude can fill it up when healthy. And do so efficiently. And create his own shot. As a 6-foot-8 wing.
He won’t turn 29 until shortly before the season. The Celtics can afford to wait for him if he needs further rehab. They’re set to return every rotation player and really seem to believe Sam Hauser can play minutes next season. Given their situation, they should be far more interested in finding an addition that can help in the playoffs rather than prioritizing someone mostly to help them get through the regular season. A Warren acquisition would come with obvious risk, but if he’s available for the taxpayer MLE, he would be the rare target at that price with a chance to break into the closing lineup next spring. If he’s willing to play for the Celtics and his health situation is less than a disaster, they should cross their fingers, wish for the best and sign him. If his body is beyond saving, well, please forget I put him atop this list.
2. Danilo Gallinari
At least for the time being, Gallinari remains under contract to the Atlanta Hawks. Still, only $4.5 million of his $21.5 million deal is guaranteed. If the Hawks decide to waive him, he would immediately become one of the most established scorers on the market. Though he will turn 34 before the season starts and had defensive limitations even in his prime, he has shot better than 40 percent on 3-pointers in three of the last four seasons. Defenses need to key in on him.
Gallinari’s impact has begun to dim. He averaged 11.7 points per game last season, the lowest mark of his career with the exception of his rookie season in 2008-09. He’s not exactly on par with all of the plus defenders in Boston’s rotation. He also plays power forward, where the Celtics should feel comfortable with Grant Williams backing up Al Horford. And Boston’s ideal free-agent target would be younger to have a chance of growing with the core. So it wouldn’t be a perfect fit. Gallinari’s still worth a spot near the top of this list if he hits free agency.
Even if he does, the timing could make a pursuit difficult for any team, especially one with limited resources. This could be a long shot for a number of reasons, but Gallinari would give Boston’s offense some juice.
Gary Harris. (Mike Watters / USA Today)
3. Gary Harris
How much does Harris have left? He’s only 27 but comes with obvious questions about his injury history and waning production in recent years. Still, he can handle multiple positions defensively and made 38.4 percent of 3-point attempts this past season in Orlando. If his revived efficiency this past season amounts to anything more than “somebody needed to score on the Magic,” he would be well-suited for a playoff rotation somewhere. For the Celtics, he would fit into the defense-first vision and add to the depth on the wing, potentially limiting the regular-season load on Tatum and Brown. Boston wouldn’t need Harris to score a whole lot, but he would provide a bit of spacing if his outside shooting, which went missing for years, has actually returned. That’s a huge question mark, but he wouldn’t be potentially available at this price without it. He might fetch more than the Celtics can give him anyway.
4. Otto Porter Jr.
Another shooter with size, Porter showed in Golden State last season he can still help a contending team. Why would the Warriors consider letting him go? They don’t have his Bird rights. If he’s looking for more than $2.9 million per season, they would need to sign him with the taxpayer midlevel exception, a tool they left unused this past season. As much as they leaned on Porter, they could replace his production with young players like Moses Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and James Wiseman. With Kevon Looney and Gary Payton II also set to hit free agency, the Warriors — as much as they’re willing to spend — could need to make some financial decisions or could simply choose to free up more playing time for their young prospects.
The author of a weird career so far, Porter is still just 29 and coming off his best season in years. He could command more than the taxpayer midlevel but has banked a lot of money in his career and could conceivably give up some cash for a better chance to win another ring. For whatever teams are in his price range, he would fit well pretty much anywhere, assuming he can stay healthy-ish.
5. Isaiah Hartenstein
Hartenstein has started four games in his career. He came off the bench for the Clippers last season. He plays center, where the Celtics already have Robert Williams, Horford and Daniel Theis.
Hartenstein still made this list for two reasons: 1) At 24, his best basketball should still be in front of him. 2) He’s good. Only eight players averaged at least 16 points, 9 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 2 blocks and 1.5 steals per 36 minutes: Nikola Jokić, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid, Luka Dončić, Domantas Sabonis, Julius Randle, Alperun Sengun and Hartenstein. Most of those guys have been All-Stars. Some of them are MVP candidates. Hartenstein’s contract wasn’t even fully guaranteed until January. He played just 17.9 minutes per game behind Ivica Zubac.
The threshold above was obviously cherry-picked. Still, Hartenstein is a rare big man with plus court vision and solid mobility. Because of that, he could earn the full midlevel exception from another team. The Celtics probably won’t sign anyone at center anyway because they’re set to pay Theis $8.8 million as a backup. But if by whatever chance Boston gets him, he would lighten the load on Williams and Horford and give the team another passing hub.
6. Victor Oladipo
Oladipo, a two-time All-Star, could want more money. He could want a starting role. The Celtics can’t give him either of those things. At best, he would probably be their sixth man. Still, John Hollinger’s BORD$ formula slapped Oladipo with a $3.12 million value. As Hollinger wrote, that’s “very, very much on the low end” of what the guard should actually make, but his calculations suggest there’s still at least a chance Oladipo will be available for $6.3 million per season. If so, it would be doing a disservice to leave him off this list considering how he defended against the Celtics in the Eastern Conference finals. After injuries disrupted his career trajectory, he showed enough athletically to prove he would still be a high-upside investment.
Oladipo wouldn’t be the easiest player to slide next to Tatum and Brown. He has never thrived as a spot-up guy. If he played significant minutes next to Marcus Smart or Payton Pritchard, the Celtics would be giving up some of the size that separated them this past season. Oladipo also has a significant injury history. All of that explains why he’s not higher on the list. Still, he would raise the Celtics ceiling in a way almost nobody else on this list would match.
7 and 8. Cody Martin and Caleb Martin
The 26-year-old Martins both received extra points from me for being young (though maybe not as young as you would think) and presumably still on the rise. Set for restricted free agency, they could both be out of Boston’s price range, but are at least within the realm of possibility.
Though Caleb is a restricted free agent, the Heat don’t have his Bird rights and would therefore need to use their own MLE to match an offer sheet. After Caleb emerged as a dependable rotation piece while shooting 41.3 percent from deep, albeit on limited attempts, several teams should be interested in his services. The Celtics would probably prefer someone with a longer history of knocking down shots, but Caleb’s defense and toughness would both make sense near the end of the Boston rotation. He’s young enough to have upside after earning playoff minutes for the Heat.
Twin brother Cody, one of the few Hornets players interested in defending this past season, would provide a similar fit. He also showed enough offense to earn 26.3 minutes per game. Though he hasn’t proven himself to be a real threat from outside, he shot 38.4 percent on low volume this past season, suggesting he could be developing that part of his game. If he can sustain that efficiency and become more comfortable hoisting shots from deep, he could outperform his next contract. Same goes for his brother.
9. Delon Wright
Wright, who averaged 4.4 points per game last season with a minuscule usage rate, wouldn’t provide the scoring punch Stevens wants. Still, Wright would give the Celtics a bit of everything else from the guard position. He has good size. He can handle the ball. He can pass it, rebound and defend. He’s a helpful player in several ways but would duplicate some of what Boston already has.
10. The aging trio of iffy health: Ricky Rubio, John Wall and Joe Ingles
Fine, I’m cheating. I lumped three players into one. They all have major question marks about their health. If forced to rank them, I would put them in this order:
a) Rubio. He was helpful last season for a Cavaliers team that went 20-14 before he tore his ACL in December and .500 afterward. Though he should be expected to miss part of the upcoming season, he could play either guard spot for Boston without sacrificing anything on the defensive end of the court. Even if he loses a step after the injury (and at age 32 next season), he’s so smart he should still find ways to help.
b) Wall. He has barely played over the past four seasons. He tore his Achilles in 2019 while recovering from a heel injury. Even before that, his physical condition was bad enough to help take down his own team’s defense. He sat out the entire 2021-22 season and will be 32 before training camp begins. Even if he’s healthy enough to recover some of his former impact, he’s a questionable enough shooter that he could be a tough fit on a team with two young wing stars.
All that said, he’s John Wall. The last time he suited up, he averaged 20.6 points and 6.9 assists per game for the Rockets in 2020-21. He even averaged about the same amount of drives per game as Donovan Mitchell. If Wall reaches a buyout with the Rockets, the Celtics should at least do their due diligence on his health status.
c) Ingles. He will only be about nine months removed from a torn ACL when the season starts, so I’m guessing he will miss a significant chunk of the upcoming season. If the Celtics can’t land anyone higher on this list, he could still be worth a bet, injury risks and all. He will be diminished at age 34 and coming off major surgery, but he’s a savvy player with size and shooting touch. If he were still close to his prime, he would offer so much of what Boston needs.
Bob
MY NOTE: Many of the usual suspects covered in other articles/posts here. One that I would not want is John Wall. His whole game was based upon blindingly fast speed. An Achilles will not help that, especially not when he'll be 32 in September.
Gallinari is a name I haven't seen on any lists. I'm not a big fan of his, I don't think he has ever played defense, but he can score. He shot 38% from 3 last year. The problem is that he will make $21.4M this year, and it's his last year. So we'd have to give up salary plus the $17M TPE for him. Hmmm. Not sure I like that.
TPEs do not need to be used all at once. Brad can use half of it on one player and then the other half on another player, for example. This TPE was for Fournier, whom we were going to lose in free agency anyway. Therefore, the way I see things, whomever we get with that TPE is free.
My preference, in general, would be to not get a player that may break down, permanently, mid-season. While I would love a healthy TJ Warren I'm quite cool to the prospect of having a TJ Warren that has had two stress fractures on the same foot. I've always liked Joe Ingles but who knows when, and how well, he'll be back.
Jay King said that we're set to pay This his $8.8M to be a back up this season. I do not see that as a conclusion I'd put much weight into. We don't know Brad well enough yet, as a GM, to say that. He moved Kemba toute suite, and he liked Kemba.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by dboss Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:13 pm
bobheckler wrote:dboss wrote:Here are a few options for using our Tax payer MLE. no particular order here.
Malik Monk UFA $1.8 million
Bobby Portis has a PO, $4.4 million
Carmelo Anthony UFA $2.6 million
Bryn Forbes UFA $4.5 million
Wayne Ellington UFA$2.6 million
Otto Porter UFA $2.4 million
Mitchell Robinson UFA $1.6 million
Victor Olidipo UFA $2.4 million
The Celtics have a legit opportunity to do a little poaching.
Have at it folks.
dboss,
Nice list. Thanks.
In your order, and no other:
Monk - On defense, no defense. Didn't matter if he was in Charlotte or LA, no defense. On offense, no conscience. Terrible shot discipline, in my opinion.
Portis - I doubt he leaves Milwaukee. He has a sense of loyalty to them. They saved his career. I'd love to have him if he promises not to punch anybody in the face. He's the type of instigator Tommy would love to have in green.
Anthony - ROTFLMAO. Thanks, I needed this.
Forbes - not a floor general. 118 DefRtg. In 6 seasons, on 3 different teams, his DefRtg was never below 114. Pritchard's DefRtg last season was 110, and he's one of our weakest defenders.
Ellington - almost 35. Mediocre defender but can shoot. Low risk rental.
Porter - He'd be great coming off our bench. If Jordan Poole gets and takes an offer he can't refuse from another team GSW will resign Porter. White, Porter, Pritchard, Grant and maybe Theis would be a solid 6-10. Almost a starting 5.
Robinson - It would be just like James Dolan to let him walk, but I doubt he will. There has to be some limit to Dolan's stupidity.
Oladipo - Last year was a "prove it" year for him. He only played 8 games but played well in the playoffs. The Heat were the #1 seed without Oladipo, they can justify keeping him as a "break glass in case of playoff emergency" player. I think Riley will not let him go, if he can help it. I'd love to have him, though, he's a bucket. He has an ego but maybe that's because he's been in the wrong system. 30 year old Oladipo or 31 1/2 year old Terrence Ross? Hmmm.
What makes this hard is that we really don't know what's happening with Nesmith. We're not in practice, we're not in the gym, we're not in the film room and, most importantly, we're not in Ime's coaches meetings. Has Ime given up on him? I don't think so, he's put him in games for impact early minutes, but Brad might have. If they decide, either because they still believe in him or because he's under contract for two more years at very affordable numbers ($3.8M this year and $5.6M next year) then the Terrence Ross/Victor Oladipo/Wayne Ellington possibilities diminish. It'd be hard to find time for those shooters and Pritchard and Nesmith. Something, or rather someone, has to give.
Bob
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bob
All of the players listed are UFA except for Portis who has a player option. Our MLE exceeds all of their current salaries. My criteria is good shooting and a UFA status and a current salary below the our MLE.
Did you notice that 3 of the players on the list are UFA with the Lakers? They cannot keep all 3 of them.
All 3 of them shoot the ball well including Carmello.
In this exercise my focus is on adding quality shot makers from deep. I am less concerned about their def ratings. Their defense is likely to improve when surrounded by a team with a lot of defenders. Bruce Brown for example is not on the list because he is a poor 3 point shooter.
There is no good reason to even mention Ross and other players that will not fit into our $6.3 million MLE.
I have no knowledge of Bobby Portis feeling a sense of loyalty to the Bucks. He has averaged double digits in scoring 6 years in a row and is a career 38% shooter from deep. The Bucks are his 5th team and I guarantee you that he will opt out of his contract because he has more than outplayed that contract. The Bucks will have a tough time signing him. He is on the list because he is well worth all $6.3 million and Boston could also make it a multi-year deal. He would be a great fit at both ends and also open the door to use Grant as part of a trade involving one of our TPE's.
Poole is not a free agent. I would think that the most important piece for GS is keeping Looney. And what about Gary Payton II. He is also an UFA. They seem to be high on him because of his defense.
The term I used Poaching is what Boston can do to add a quality shooter for our bench. Teams like GS and LAL want to get guys to play for a salary that is below what their market value is.
There are a lot of option out there to add a quality shooter for our rotation and using our MLE to make that happen.
The 2nd or 3rd pieces can be obtained with the TPE's. My only concern is what we send out with the TPE's.
I truly believe that Brad gave up too much to get both White and Theis as their salaries are out of line with their production.
If Brad throws in a 1st rounder, the player coming back better damn well be a guy who has starting level talent and/or can be a quality 6th man.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by dboss Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:30 pm
bobheckler wrote:https://theathletic.com/3385063/2022/06/27/celtics-free-agency-2022/
Celtics’ free-agent targets: Otto Porter Jr., Danilo Gallinari and others for right price
By Jay King
3h ago
Brad Stevens will be hoping to solidify a strong Celtics rotation when the free-agency period starts this week.
With several potentially useful trade exceptions, free agency won’t be Stevens’ only avenue toward roster improvement. It will still give him a chance to surround Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown with more help. Projected to be over the luxury-tax threshold, the Celtics will have the projected $6.3 million taxpayer midlevel exception plus minimum contracts to lure free-agent help.
Based on what he has said publicly, Stevens would like to add more offensive punch without altering his team’s big, defensive-minded identity. It’s tough to find those types of players on a tight budget. Please keep that in mind while reading this list of possible Boston MLE targets, which is loaded with veterans surrounded by question marks. This free-agent big board, based on my own opinions, includes players who could reasonably be available to the Celtics at a price they can afford. If you think I’m crazy for failing to put someone on this list, I probably excluded that player because of a high likelihood he accepts more money elsewhere (or, in Patty Mills’ case, because he doesn’t offer what the Celtics want on one side of the court).
1. T.J. Warren
Warren has played four more games over the last two seasons than I have. He reportedly suffered two straight stress fractures in his left foot. After he missed the entire 2021-22 season, his status is murky. His health could even be bad enough to make him a possibility for the Celtics.
If physically right, Warren would be far out of Boston’s price range. The last time we saw him for a full season, he averaged 19.8 points per game on 53.6 percent shooting from the field, including 40.3 percent on 3-pointers. He peaked late in that season, becoming a bubble king with outings of 53 points, 39 points, 34 points and 32 points over a six-game stretch on the NBA’s Orlando campus. The dude can fill it up when healthy. And do so efficiently. And create his own shot. As a 6-foot-8 wing.
He won’t turn 29 until shortly before the season. The Celtics can afford to wait for him if he needs further rehab. They’re set to return every rotation player and really seem to believe Sam Hauser can play minutes next season. Given their situation, they should be far more interested in finding an addition that can help in the playoffs rather than prioritizing someone mostly to help them get through the regular season. A Warren acquisition would come with obvious risk, but if he’s available for the taxpayer MLE, he would be the rare target at that price with a chance to break into the closing lineup next spring. If he’s willing to play for the Celtics and his health situation is less than a disaster, they should cross their fingers, wish for the best and sign him. If his body is beyond saving, well, please forget I put him atop this list.
2. Danilo Gallinari
At least for the time being, Gallinari remains under contract to the Atlanta Hawks. Still, only $4.5 million of his $21.5 million deal is guaranteed. If the Hawks decide to waive him, he would immediately become one of the most established scorers on the market. Though he will turn 34 before the season starts and had defensive limitations even in his prime, he has shot better than 40 percent on 3-pointers in three of the last four seasons. Defenses need to key in on him.
Gallinari’s impact has begun to dim. He averaged 11.7 points per game last season, the lowest mark of his career with the exception of his rookie season in 2008-09. He’s not exactly on par with all of the plus defenders in Boston’s rotation. He also plays power forward, where the Celtics should feel comfortable with Grant Williams backing up Al Horford. And Boston’s ideal free-agent target would be younger to have a chance of growing with the core. So it wouldn’t be a perfect fit. Gallinari’s still worth a spot near the top of this list if he hits free agency.
Even if he does, the timing could make a pursuit difficult for any team, especially one with limited resources. This could be a long shot for a number of reasons, but Gallinari would give Boston’s offense some juice.
Gary Harris. (Mike Watters / USA Today)
3. Gary Harris
How much does Harris have left? He’s only 27 but comes with obvious questions about his injury history and waning production in recent years. Still, he can handle multiple positions defensively and made 38.4 percent of 3-point attempts this past season in Orlando. If his revived efficiency this past season amounts to anything more than “somebody needed to score on the Magic,” he would be well-suited for a playoff rotation somewhere. For the Celtics, he would fit into the defense-first vision and add to the depth on the wing, potentially limiting the regular-season load on Tatum and Brown. Boston wouldn’t need Harris to score a whole lot, but he would provide a bit of spacing if his outside shooting, which went missing for years, has actually returned. That’s a huge question mark, but he wouldn’t be potentially available at this price without it. He might fetch more than the Celtics can give him anyway.
4. Otto Porter Jr.
Another shooter with size, Porter showed in Golden State last season he can still help a contending team. Why would the Warriors consider letting him go? They don’t have his Bird rights. If he’s looking for more than $2.9 million per season, they would need to sign him with the taxpayer midlevel exception, a tool they left unused this past season. As much as they leaned on Porter, they could replace his production with young players like Moses Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and James Wiseman. With Kevon Looney and Gary Payton II also set to hit free agency, the Warriors — as much as they’re willing to spend — could need to make some financial decisions or could simply choose to free up more playing time for their young prospects.
The author of a weird career so far, Porter is still just 29 and coming off his best season in years. He could command more than the taxpayer midlevel but has banked a lot of money in his career and could conceivably give up some cash for a better chance to win another ring. For whatever teams are in his price range, he would fit well pretty much anywhere, assuming he can stay healthy-ish.
5. Isaiah Hartenstein
Hartenstein has started four games in his career. He came off the bench for the Clippers last season. He plays center, where the Celtics already have Robert Williams, Horford and Daniel Theis.
Hartenstein still made this list for two reasons: 1) At 24, his best basketball should still be in front of him. 2) He’s good. Only eight players averaged at least 16 points, 9 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 2 blocks and 1.5 steals per 36 minutes: Nikola Jokić, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid, Luka Dončić, Domantas Sabonis, Julius Randle, Alperun Sengun and Hartenstein. Most of those guys have been All-Stars. Some of them are MVP candidates. Hartenstein’s contract wasn’t even fully guaranteed until January. He played just 17.9 minutes per game behind Ivica Zubac.
The threshold above was obviously cherry-picked. Still, Hartenstein is a rare big man with plus court vision and solid mobility. Because of that, he could earn the full midlevel exception from another team. The Celtics probably won’t sign anyone at center anyway because they’re set to pay Theis $8.8 million as a backup. But if by whatever chance Boston gets him, he would lighten the load on Williams and Horford and give the team another passing hub.
6. Victor Oladipo
Oladipo, a two-time All-Star, could want more money. He could want a starting role. The Celtics can’t give him either of those things. At best, he would probably be their sixth man. Still, John Hollinger’s BORD$ formula slapped Oladipo with a $3.12 million value. As Hollinger wrote, that’s “very, very much on the low end” of what the guard should actually make, but his calculations suggest there’s still at least a chance Oladipo will be available for $6.3 million per season. If so, it would be doing a disservice to leave him off this list considering how he defended against the Celtics in the Eastern Conference finals. After injuries disrupted his career trajectory, he showed enough athletically to prove he would still be a high-upside investment.
Oladipo wouldn’t be the easiest player to slide next to Tatum and Brown. He has never thrived as a spot-up guy. If he played significant minutes next to Marcus Smart or Payton Pritchard, the Celtics would be giving up some of the size that separated them this past season. Oladipo also has a significant injury history. All of that explains why he’s not higher on the list. Still, he would raise the Celtics ceiling in a way almost nobody else on this list would match.
7 and 8. Cody Martin and Caleb Martin
The 26-year-old Martins both received extra points from me for being young (though maybe not as young as you would think) and presumably still on the rise. Set for restricted free agency, they could both be out of Boston’s price range, but are at least within the realm of possibility.
Though Caleb is a restricted free agent, the Heat don’t have his Bird rights and would therefore need to use their own MLE to match an offer sheet. After Caleb emerged as a dependable rotation piece while shooting 41.3 percent from deep, albeit on limited attempts, several teams should be interested in his services. The Celtics would probably prefer someone with a longer history of knocking down shots, but Caleb’s defense and toughness would both make sense near the end of the Boston rotation. He’s young enough to have upside after earning playoff minutes for the Heat.
Twin brother Cody, one of the few Hornets players interested in defending this past season, would provide a similar fit. He also showed enough offense to earn 26.3 minutes per game. Though he hasn’t proven himself to be a real threat from outside, he shot 38.4 percent on low volume this past season, suggesting he could be developing that part of his game. If he can sustain that efficiency and become more comfortable hoisting shots from deep, he could outperform his next contract. Same goes for his brother.
9. Delon Wright
Wright, who averaged 4.4 points per game last season with a minuscule usage rate, wouldn’t provide the scoring punch Stevens wants. Still, Wright would give the Celtics a bit of everything else from the guard position. He has good size. He can handle the ball. He can pass it, rebound and defend. He’s a helpful player in several ways but would duplicate some of what Boston already has.
10. The aging trio of iffy health: Ricky Rubio, John Wall and Joe Ingles
Fine, I’m cheating. I lumped three players into one. They all have major question marks about their health. If forced to rank them, I would put them in this order:
a) Rubio. He was helpful last season for a Cavaliers team that went 20-14 before he tore his ACL in December and .500 afterward. Though he should be expected to miss part of the upcoming season, he could play either guard spot for Boston without sacrificing anything on the defensive end of the court. Even if he loses a step after the injury (and at age 32 next season), he’s so smart he should still find ways to help.
b) Wall. He has barely played over the past four seasons. He tore his Achilles in 2019 while recovering from a heel injury. Even before that, his physical condition was bad enough to help take down his own team’s defense. He sat out the entire 2021-22 season and will be 32 before training camp begins. Even if he’s healthy enough to recover some of his former impact, he’s a questionable enough shooter that he could be a tough fit on a team with two young wing stars.
All that said, he’s John Wall. The last time he suited up, he averaged 20.6 points and 6.9 assists per game for the Rockets in 2020-21. He even averaged about the same amount of drives per game as Donovan Mitchell. If Wall reaches a buyout with the Rockets, the Celtics should at least do their due diligence on his health status.
c) Ingles. He will only be about nine months removed from a torn ACL when the season starts, so I’m guessing he will miss a significant chunk of the upcoming season. If the Celtics can’t land anyone higher on this list, he could still be worth a bet, injury risks and all. He will be diminished at age 34 and coming off major surgery, but he’s a savvy player with size and shooting touch. If he were still close to his prime, he would offer so much of what Boston needs.
Bob
MY NOTE: Many of the usual suspects covered in other articles/posts here. One that I would not want is John Wall. His whole game was based upon blindingly fast speed. An Achilles will not help that, especially not when he'll be 32 in September.
Gallinari is a name I haven't seen on any lists. I'm not a big fan of his, I don't think he has ever played defense, but he can score. He shot 38% from 3 last year. The problem is that he will make $21.4M this year, and it's his last year. So we'd have to give up salary plus the $17M TPE for him. Hmmm. Not sure I like that.
TPEs do not need to be used all at once. Brad can use half of it on one player and then the other half on another player, for example. This TPE was for Fournier, whom we were going to lose in free agency anyway. Therefore, the way I see things, whomever we get with that TPE is free.
My preference, in general, would be to not get a player that may break down, permanently, mid-season. While I would love a healthy TJ Warren I'm quite cool to the prospect of having a TJ Warren that has had two stress fractures on the same foot. I've always liked Joe Ingles but who knows when, and how well, he'll be back.
Jay King said that we're set to pay This his $8.8M to be a back up this season. I do not see that as a conclusion I'd put much weight into. We don't know Brad well enough yet, as a GM, to say that. He moved Kemba toute suite, and he liked Kemba.
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Bob only guy on this list that I like would be Otto Porter but even he would not be top of the list
Celtics need to stay mile away from guys with injury history and those that are coming off serious injuries (like TJ Warren for example) Even Olidipo who I do like is a risk but probably a low cost risk.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:36 am
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/06/what-john-wall-joining-clippers-means-for-celtics-trade-exception-and-free-agency-options.html
What John Wall joining Clippers means for Celtics trade exception and free agency options
Published: Jun. 27, 2022, 11:09 p.m.
By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com
One of the first chips to fall in NBA free agency is occurring a few days ahead of schedule. According to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN, John Wall is planning on joining the Los Angeles Clippers later this week after agreeing to a buyout with the Houston Rockets.
The veteran point guard is reportedly giving back $6.3 million of his $47.4 million expiring contract to the Rockets in the buyout. That total is presumably the same amount he’s eligible to sign for with the Clippers for the taxpayer mid-level exception.
On the surface, there doesn’t appear to be much importance here from a Celtics perspective for this move. Wall has not played in a game since 2021 after the rebuilding Rockets opted to sit him out for a full season while prioritizing playing time for their younger players. Wall will head to the west coast to join friend Paul George and a Clippers squad that’s looking for a big bounce-back year after key injuries to Kawhi Leonard and others kept them from even making the postseason last season.
Where things get interesting from Boston’s viewpoint is the complexion of the Clippers roster (if healthy) with Wall in the fold. Suddenly, there is a tremendous amount of veteran depth under contract and some pricy names at that.
PG: Reggie Jackson, John Wall
SG: Paul George, Terrance Mann, Luke Kennard
SF: Kawhi Leonard, Norm Powell
PF: Marcus Morris, Robert Covington
C: Ivica Zubac
Key free agents: Nicolas Batum (reportedly leaning towards to re-signing with Clippers last week), Isaiah Hartenstein
Assuming Batum re-signs with the Clippers (the Celtics have expressed interest per reports), that’s 11 rotation-caliber players under contracts including eight guards/wings. Needless to say, there won’t be enough minutes to go around for that group assuming Kawhi Leonard and Paul George are back at full strength for the start of the season.
Clippers owner Steve Ballmer may simply be willing to take a gigantic tax bill and try to keep all of these players but keeping all of them happy will be a bigger challenge. The roster looks similar to the 2018-19 Celtics with a lot of talent on paper but not enough minutes to go around to keep everyone happy.
The biggest area of excess depth is at the wing position and that’s where the Celtics need to upgrade the most. All of the Clippers’ bench wing depth under contract could also fit into Boston’s $17.1 million trade exception.
The Celtics would need to give up something useful (player or pick) to land a midsized contract like Kennard or Powell but those are players the Clippers brass may be willing to listen on more now in trade talks with another ball handler in Wall signing with the group.
If the Clippers aren’t realistic with their demands for a Kennard or Powell type player, perhaps the Celtics could make a strong case in free agency. In talking to a player like Batum, the case could be made he would have a far bigger role in Boston off the bench than in Los Angeles, competing for minutes with that crowded depth chart.
Wall’s plans to sign using the mid-level exception with the Clippers also opens the door for a useful big man in Isaiah Hartenstein to become more available on the free agent market for the Celtics since the Clippers don’t have Bird Rights on him.
Either way, this type of deal will probably lead to some kind of consolidation move by the Clippers. The Celtics are far from guaranteed to be a part of it but they are certainly well positioned to be in the mix. Brad Stevens may not be able to target a name he wants but this is certainly a situation to keep an eye on in the next few days as free agency kicks off and trade exception options become more clear.
Bob
MY NOTE: As I have said before just because we are not directly involved in a trade or free agent signing doesn't mean they don't create opportunities for us. If you add a guard then you might need to get rid of a guard. Or if you need all your guards you might not be able to keep all your bigs.
Reggie Jackson is 32. John Wall will be 32 this year. NOT a young back court.
I would have put Norman Powell as a SG and not a SF but...
Can you see Steve Ballmer NOT resigning Hartenstein? He made something like $1.7M last year and they have no centers behind Zubac without him. I think the whole talk about Brad going after him is just sportswriters daydreaming.
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What John Wall joining Clippers means for Celtics trade exception and free agency options
Published: Jun. 27, 2022, 11:09 p.m.
By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com
One of the first chips to fall in NBA free agency is occurring a few days ahead of schedule. According to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN, John Wall is planning on joining the Los Angeles Clippers later this week after agreeing to a buyout with the Houston Rockets.
The veteran point guard is reportedly giving back $6.3 million of his $47.4 million expiring contract to the Rockets in the buyout. That total is presumably the same amount he’s eligible to sign for with the Clippers for the taxpayer mid-level exception.
On the surface, there doesn’t appear to be much importance here from a Celtics perspective for this move. Wall has not played in a game since 2021 after the rebuilding Rockets opted to sit him out for a full season while prioritizing playing time for their younger players. Wall will head to the west coast to join friend Paul George and a Clippers squad that’s looking for a big bounce-back year after key injuries to Kawhi Leonard and others kept them from even making the postseason last season.
Where things get interesting from Boston’s viewpoint is the complexion of the Clippers roster (if healthy) with Wall in the fold. Suddenly, there is a tremendous amount of veteran depth under contract and some pricy names at that.
PG: Reggie Jackson, John Wall
SG: Paul George, Terrance Mann, Luke Kennard
SF: Kawhi Leonard, Norm Powell
PF: Marcus Morris, Robert Covington
C: Ivica Zubac
Key free agents: Nicolas Batum (reportedly leaning towards to re-signing with Clippers last week), Isaiah Hartenstein
Assuming Batum re-signs with the Clippers (the Celtics have expressed interest per reports), that’s 11 rotation-caliber players under contracts including eight guards/wings. Needless to say, there won’t be enough minutes to go around for that group assuming Kawhi Leonard and Paul George are back at full strength for the start of the season.
Clippers owner Steve Ballmer may simply be willing to take a gigantic tax bill and try to keep all of these players but keeping all of them happy will be a bigger challenge. The roster looks similar to the 2018-19 Celtics with a lot of talent on paper but not enough minutes to go around to keep everyone happy.
The biggest area of excess depth is at the wing position and that’s where the Celtics need to upgrade the most. All of the Clippers’ bench wing depth under contract could also fit into Boston’s $17.1 million trade exception.
The Celtics would need to give up something useful (player or pick) to land a midsized contract like Kennard or Powell but those are players the Clippers brass may be willing to listen on more now in trade talks with another ball handler in Wall signing with the group.
If the Clippers aren’t realistic with their demands for a Kennard or Powell type player, perhaps the Celtics could make a strong case in free agency. In talking to a player like Batum, the case could be made he would have a far bigger role in Boston off the bench than in Los Angeles, competing for minutes with that crowded depth chart.
Wall’s plans to sign using the mid-level exception with the Clippers also opens the door for a useful big man in Isaiah Hartenstein to become more available on the free agent market for the Celtics since the Clippers don’t have Bird Rights on him.
Either way, this type of deal will probably lead to some kind of consolidation move by the Clippers. The Celtics are far from guaranteed to be a part of it but they are certainly well positioned to be in the mix. Brad Stevens may not be able to target a name he wants but this is certainly a situation to keep an eye on in the next few days as free agency kicks off and trade exception options become more clear.
Bob
MY NOTE: As I have said before just because we are not directly involved in a trade or free agent signing doesn't mean they don't create opportunities for us. If you add a guard then you might need to get rid of a guard. Or if you need all your guards you might not be able to keep all your bigs.
Reggie Jackson is 32. John Wall will be 32 this year. NOT a young back court.
I would have put Norman Powell as a SG and not a SF but...
Can you see Steve Ballmer NOT resigning Hartenstein? He made something like $1.7M last year and they have no centers behind Zubac without him. I think the whole talk about Brad going after him is just sportswriters daydreaming.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 am
Free Agency begins @ 6pm EDT this Thursday. So, real soon.
It's nice the league finally pulled their heads out of their arses and realized there was nothing magical about the stroke of midnight. Just because free agency starts on June 30th or July 1st or whenever doesn't mean it has to start the second the clocks click over to that calendar day. Starting it @ 6pm is much more civilized for all concerned. Plus those of us who give a damn about this would rather not have to wait until we wake up the next day to find out what's what.
Thank you Adam Silver for being an Early Bird and not a Night Owl or, at least, being considerate that many of us aren't.
Regardless, we're about 49 1/2 hours away from the ground moving in the NBA as of this post. One of the nice things about playing so late in the season is that there's less time on our hands to think about stuff that we have no control over.
Bob
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It's nice the league finally pulled their heads out of their arses and realized there was nothing magical about the stroke of midnight. Just because free agency starts on June 30th or July 1st or whenever doesn't mean it has to start the second the clocks click over to that calendar day. Starting it @ 6pm is much more civilized for all concerned. Plus those of us who give a damn about this would rather not have to wait until we wake up the next day to find out what's what.
Thank you Adam Silver for being an Early Bird and not a Night Owl or, at least, being considerate that many of us aren't.
Regardless, we're about 49 1/2 hours away from the ground moving in the NBA as of this post. One of the nice things about playing so late in the season is that there's less time on our hands to think about stuff that we have no control over.
Bob
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by dboss Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:36 pm
bobheckler wrote:https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/06/what-john-wall-joining-clippers-means-for-celtics-trade-exception-and-free-agency-options.html
What John Wall joining Clippers means for Celtics trade exception and free agency options
Published: Jun. 27, 2022, 11:09 p.m.
By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com
One of the first chips to fall in NBA free agency is occurring a few days ahead of schedule. According to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN, John Wall is planning on joining the Los Angeles Clippers later this week after agreeing to a buyout with the Houston Rockets.
The veteran point guard is reportedly giving back $6.3 million of his $47.4 million expiring contract to the Rockets in the buyout. That total is presumably the same amount he’s eligible to sign for with the Clippers for the taxpayer mid-level exception.
On the surface, there doesn’t appear to be much importance here from a Celtics perspective for this move. Wall has not played in a game since 2021 after the rebuilding Rockets opted to sit him out for a full season while prioritizing playing time for their younger players. Wall will head to the west coast to join friend Paul George and a Clippers squad that’s looking for a big bounce-back year after key injuries to Kawhi Leonard and others kept them from even making the postseason last season.
Where things get interesting from Boston’s viewpoint is the complexion of the Clippers roster (if healthy) with Wall in the fold. Suddenly, there is a tremendous amount of veteran depth under contract and some pricy names at that.
PG: Reggie Jackson, John Wall
SG: Paul George, Terrance Mann, Luke Kennard
SF: Kawhi Leonard, Norm Powell
PF: Marcus Morris, Robert Covington
C: Ivica Zubac
Key free agents: Nicolas Batum (reportedly leaning towards to re-signing with Clippers last week), Isaiah Hartenstein
Assuming Batum re-signs with the Clippers (the Celtics have expressed interest per reports), that’s 11 rotation-caliber players under contracts including eight guards/wings. Needless to say, there won’t be enough minutes to go around for that group assuming Kawhi Leonard and Paul George are back at full strength for the start of the season.
Clippers owner Steve Ballmer may simply be willing to take a gigantic tax bill and try to keep all of these players but keeping all of them happy will be a bigger challenge. The roster looks similar to the 2018-19 Celtics with a lot of talent on paper but not enough minutes to go around to keep everyone happy.
The biggest area of excess depth is at the wing position and that’s where the Celtics need to upgrade the most. All of the Clippers’ bench wing depth under contract could also fit into Boston’s $17.1 million trade exception.
The Celtics would need to give up something useful (player or pick) to land a midsized contract like Kennard or Powell but those are players the Clippers brass may be willing to listen on more now in trade talks with another ball handler in Wall signing with the group.
If the Clippers aren’t realistic with their demands for a Kennard or Powell type player, perhaps the Celtics could make a strong case in free agency. In talking to a player like Batum, the case could be made he would have a far bigger role in Boston off the bench than in Los Angeles, competing for minutes with that crowded depth chart.
Wall’s plans to sign using the mid-level exception with the Clippers also opens the door for a useful big man in Isaiah Hartenstein to become more available on the free agent market for the Celtics since the Clippers don’t have Bird Rights on him.
Either way, this type of deal will probably lead to some kind of consolidation move by the Clippers. The Celtics are far from guaranteed to be a part of it but they are certainly well positioned to be in the mix. Brad Stevens may not be able to target a name he wants but this is certainly a situation to keep an eye on in the next few days as free agency kicks off and trade exception options become more clear.
Bob
MY NOTE: As I have said before just because we are not directly involved in a trade or free agent signing doesn't mean they don't create opportunities for us. If you add a guard then you might need to get rid of a guard. Or if you need all your guards you might not be able to keep all your bigs.
Reggie Jackson is 32. John Wall will be 32 this year. NOT a young back court.
I would have put Norman Powell as a SG and not a SF but...
Can you see Steve Ballmer NOT resigning Hartenstein? He made something like $1.7M last year and they have no centers behind Zubac without him. I think the whole talk about Brad going after him is just sportswriters daydreaming.
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Bob I hope Boston does not go after batum. We need to upgrade our PF spot.
Kennard and Powell are the two guys that I really like. I actually prefer Kennard more because he makes less money and he is younger (26)
Wall will not make anything above the tax payer MLE.
Their owner has deep, deep and deep pockets.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by dboss Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:39 pm
Now that Kyrie opted in we can put the Durant trade in the lost but not found closet.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by NYCelt Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:33 am
The Celtics have now reportedly turned down the Knicks trade proposal for Alec Burks.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-celtics-turned-down-145000036.html?src=rss
That would have sent most of the value of big $17 mil TPE out in exchange for a player still recovering from a foot injury. Good shooter, not a great defender even when healthy.
Wise move to reject that one, I believe.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-celtics-turned-down-145000036.html?src=rss
That would have sent most of the value of big $17 mil TPE out in exchange for a player still recovering from a foot injury. Good shooter, not a great defender even when healthy.
Wise move to reject that one, I believe.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:58 am
NYCelt wrote:The Celtics have now reportedly turned down the Knicks trade proposal for Alec Burks.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-celtics-turned-down-145000036.html?src=rss
That would have sent most of the value of big $17 mil TPE out in exchange for a player still recovering from a foot injury. Good shooter, not a great defender even when healthy.
Wise move to reject that one, I believe.
NYCelt,
Not upset about this at all, and I don't even know what the offer was.
30 hours to go before the fireworks.
Bob
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by NYCelt Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:26 pm
bobheckler wrote:NYCelt wrote:The Celtics have now reportedly turned down the Knicks trade proposal for Alec Burks.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-celtics-turned-down-145000036.html?src=rss
That would have sent most of the value of big $17 mil TPE out in exchange for a player still recovering from a foot injury. Good shooter, not a great defender even when healthy.
Wise move to reject that one, I believe.
NYCelt,
Not upset about this at all, and I don't even know what the offer was.
30 hours to go before the fireworks.
Bob
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My understanding is it was basically Burks for $10 mil of TPE.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:11 pm
Mark Murphy @Murf56
about 19 minutes ago
League source confirms report by @Jake Fischer that Celtics are interested in signing Danilo Gallinari if he is waived by San Antonio.
Bob
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about 19 minutes ago
League source confirms report by @Jake Fischer that Celtics are interested in signing Danilo Gallinari if he is waived by San Antonio.
Bob
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by NYCelt Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:21 pm
Bobby Portis is now a free agent. Worth a call.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by worcester Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:12 pm
Portis is one tough cookie. I would sign him.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by RosalieTCeltics Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:30 pm
Be still Danny Ainge ‘s heart. He has lusted after Gallinari for years. Funny now that he is gone that he may be on a list of wannabee’s
I wonder who of the bench guys Brad will consider signing. Isn’t Ryan already signed to a two way for two years? I will tell you, I watched many Maine games whenever they were on, his is a pure shooter, as is Hauser. Interesting group if only they had gotten more time on the floor in Boston and not just Maine. Ime has shown that he likes Hauser, so I believe he has an inside track with him
I wonder who of the bench guys Brad will consider signing. Isn’t Ryan already signed to a two way for two years? I will tell you, I watched many Maine games whenever they were on, his is a pure shooter, as is Hauser. Interesting group if only they had gotten more time on the floor in Boston and not just Maine. Ime has shown that he likes Hauser, so I believe he has an inside track with him
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by gyso Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:53 pm
Celtics make housekeeping moves on Sam Hauser, Brodric Thomas, and Juwan Morgan
https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/6/29/23188989/boston-celtics-make-housekeeping-moves-on-sam-hauser-brodric-thomas-and-juwan-morgan-brad-stevens
With free agency officially opening up on Thursday, Boston made some decisions on the back end of their roster.
By wjsy@deliberatepix Jun 29, 2022, 7:56pm EDT
With free agency looming tomorrow, the Celtics front office made some decisions on Wednesday to give themselves some options heading into the offseason.
Per CelticsBlog’s Keith Smith, Boston declined a $1.6 million team option on Sam Hauser with the intent to re-sign the now restricted free agent to a long term deal. Hauser started the season on two-way contract, but after a handful of deadline deals decimated the Celtics roster at the trade deadline, Hauser’s deal was converted for the rest of the season. In his time in Maine and a few appearances with the big club, Hauser has delivered on his potential as a pure shooter and the Celtics will look to lock him up moving forward.
The Celtics also took care of business with two other former two-way contracted players. They picked up a $1.8 million team option on Juwan Morgan that will be non-guaranteed until January. After completing a 10-day contract in early April, Morgan was signed for the remainder of the season and Boston will now have some flexibility on his future throughout the summer, training camp, and early next season.
Finally, Boston tendered a two-way qualifying offer with Brodric Thomas. Thomas started the season as one of the Celtics two-way players and will now be a restricted free agent at the open of free agency.
The team still has outstanding options on Matt Ryan, Nik Stauskas, and Malik Fitts.
https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/6/29/23188989/boston-celtics-make-housekeeping-moves-on-sam-hauser-brodric-thomas-and-juwan-morgan-brad-stevens
With free agency officially opening up on Thursday, Boston made some decisions on the back end of their roster.
By wjsy@deliberatepix Jun 29, 2022, 7:56pm EDT
With free agency looming tomorrow, the Celtics front office made some decisions on Wednesday to give themselves some options heading into the offseason.
Per CelticsBlog’s Keith Smith, Boston declined a $1.6 million team option on Sam Hauser with the intent to re-sign the now restricted free agent to a long term deal. Hauser started the season on two-way contract, but after a handful of deadline deals decimated the Celtics roster at the trade deadline, Hauser’s deal was converted for the rest of the season. In his time in Maine and a few appearances with the big club, Hauser has delivered on his potential as a pure shooter and the Celtics will look to lock him up moving forward.
The Celtics also took care of business with two other former two-way contracted players. They picked up a $1.8 million team option on Juwan Morgan that will be non-guaranteed until January. After completing a 10-day contract in early April, Morgan was signed for the remainder of the season and Boston will now have some flexibility on his future throughout the summer, training camp, and early next season.
Finally, Boston tendered a two-way qualifying offer with Brodric Thomas. Thomas started the season as one of the Celtics two-way players and will now be a restricted free agent at the open of free agency.
The team still has outstanding options on Matt Ryan, Nik Stauskas, and Malik Fitts.
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by RosalieTCeltics Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:39 pm
I am not the least bit surprised that they are holding onto Hauser, I really think , with time on the floor, he could be an asset. Not sure about the other guys. Ryan is interesting, I wonder what will happen with him
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by bobheckler Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:11 pm
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2022/06/29/nba-boston-celtics-hauser-longer-deal/
Report: Celtics to decline Sam Hauser's team option, work out longer deal
Nick Wosika-USA TODAY Sports
Justin Quinn
June 29, 2022 5:56 pm ET
Less than 24 hours ahead of the start of the 2022 NBA free agency period, more hints about the Boston Celtics‘ plans are emerging. While he may not be a central part of the Celtics’ offseason plans, forward Sam Hauser is clearly part of them. Celtics Blog’s Keith Smith reports Boston is declining its $1.6 million team option for the 2022-23 season with Hauser in the hopes of signing him to a longer deal.
The Celtics signed the former Virginia player as an undrafted free agent after the 2021 NBA draft. While the 24-year-old sharpshooter did not find much floor time with Boston in its 2021-22 campaign, he’s shown a lot of promise.
While it’s unclear if he can defend well enough to earn a bigger role next season, he shot 43.2% from beyond the arc on 44 attempts.
That’s a small sample size, but with a virtually identical 43.3% out of 90 attempts at the G League level with the Maine Celtics and a career 43.9% rate at the NCAA level, the numbers make a strong case that Boston ought to keep the Wisconsin native around.
Which seems to be exactly what they hope to do.
Bob
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Report: Celtics to decline Sam Hauser's team option, work out longer deal
Nick Wosika-USA TODAY Sports
Justin Quinn
June 29, 2022 5:56 pm ET
Less than 24 hours ahead of the start of the 2022 NBA free agency period, more hints about the Boston Celtics‘ plans are emerging. While he may not be a central part of the Celtics’ offseason plans, forward Sam Hauser is clearly part of them. Celtics Blog’s Keith Smith reports Boston is declining its $1.6 million team option for the 2022-23 season with Hauser in the hopes of signing him to a longer deal.
The Celtics signed the former Virginia player as an undrafted free agent after the 2021 NBA draft. While the 24-year-old sharpshooter did not find much floor time with Boston in its 2021-22 campaign, he’s shown a lot of promise.
While it’s unclear if he can defend well enough to earn a bigger role next season, he shot 43.2% from beyond the arc on 44 attempts.
That’s a small sample size, but with a virtually identical 43.3% out of 90 attempts at the G League level with the Maine Celtics and a career 43.9% rate at the NCAA level, the numbers make a strong case that Boston ought to keep the Wisconsin native around.
Which seems to be exactly what they hope to do.
Bob
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Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread
by dboss Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:10 am
Bobh
Looks like both of our lists have been decimated.
Malik Monk UFA $1.8 million
Bobby Portis has a PO, $4.4 million
Carmelo Anthony UFA $2.6 million
Bryn Forbes UFA $4.5 million
Wayne Ellington UFA$2.6 million
Otto Porter UFA $2.4 million
Mitchell Robinson UFA $1.6 million
Victor Olidipo UFA $2.4 million
Now what?
Looks like both of our lists have been decimated.
Bobby Portis has a PO, $4.4 million
Carmelo Anthony UFA $2.6 million
Bryn Forbes UFA $4.5 million
Wayne Ellington UFA$2.6 million
Mitchell Robinson UFA $1.6 million
Victor Olidipo UFA $2.4 million
Now what?
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