Re: The Celtics 2022 Offseason Thread

[bobheckler]

Bobh

Looks like both of our lists have been decimated.

Malik Monk  UFA  $1.8 million
Bobby Portis has a PO, $4.4 million
Carmelo Anthony UFA $2.6 million
Bryn Forbes UFA $4.5 million
Wayne Ellington UFA$2.6 million
Otto Porter UFA $2.4 million
Mitchell Robinson UFA $1.6 million
Victor Olidipo UFA $2.4 million

Now what?

DBoss,

It's looking like Gallinari or bust.


Bob

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[dboss]

Thank the good lord, Rubio signed a 3 year deal with the Cavs

[bobheckler]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
The Celtics are interested in signing former Wizards C Thomas Bryant, per
@ChrisBHaynes
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Bryant is expected to make a decision later this morning.


Bob


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[dboss]

Bobh

Looks like both of our lists have been decimated.

Malik Monk  UFA  $1.8 million
Bobby Portis has a PO, $4.4 million
Carmelo Anthony UFA $2.6 million
Bryn Forbes UFA $4.5 million
Wayne Ellington UFA$2.6 million
Otto Porter UFA $2.4 million
Mitchell Robinson UFA $1.6 million
Victor Olidipo UFA $2.4 million

Now what?

DBoss,

It's looking like Gallinari or bust.


Bob

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I hate to be the bearer of bad neews but i read that after the trade his guaranteed moneygoes up to around n$11.6 million.

Spotrac 2022 $5 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 6/30/22 7/8/22 (est. $11.6 million guaranteed with trade)

SA would have to either trade him again or buy him out. If they waive him which ever team that picks him up would be on the hook for way more that the full MLE

SA would probably prefer to trade him and the Celtics would have to decide if they want to use a good piece of their big TPE and then they would need to send something else out.

IMO we should go after a bigger fish with our large TPE and add a guy with a brighter horizon.

As much as ownership expressed a willingness to spend I am not so sure that they are ready to go beyond the fringe.

[dboss]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
The Celtics are interested in signing former Wizards C Thomas Bryant, per
@ChrisBHaynes
.

Bryant is expected to make a decision later this morning.


Bob


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I like him however Brad will need to find a way to rid ourselves of that horrific Theis contract.

There are always rumors about the Celtics doing this, that and the other.

[bobheckler]

Thomas Bryant will be 25 years old on July 31st.

6'10", 248#, 7'6" wingspan.

So, why do we need The Green Kornet (not the first time this question has been asked)? Does this mean that Al and/or Theis are gone?


Bob


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[bobheckler]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
The Celtics are interested in signing former Wizards C Thomas Bryant, per
@ChrisBHaynes
.

Bryant is expected to make a decision later this morning.


Bob


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I like him however Brad will need to find a way to rid ourselves of that horrific Theis contract.

There are always rumors about the Celtics doing this, that and the other.

DBoss,

Theis' contract is:

2022-2023............$8.7M
2023-2024............$9.1M
2024-2025............$9.5M (Club Option)

This means that we're really only on the hook for a total of $17.8M over 2 years.  That's not too bad for a solid, veteran center who is well liked.


Bob


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[dboss]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
The Celtics are interested in signing former Wizards C Thomas Bryant, per
@ChrisBHaynes
.

Bryant is expected to make a decision later this morning.


Bob


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I like him however Brad will need to find a way to rid ourselves of that horrific Theis contract.

There are always rumors about the Celtics doing this, that and the other.

DBoss,

Theis' contract is:

2022-2023............$8.7M
2023-2024............$9.1M
2024-2025............$9.5M (Club Option)

This means that we're really only on the hook for a total of $17.8M over 2 years.  That's not too bad for a solid, veteran center who is well liked.


Bob


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Well Bob if you look at salaries for Centers you will see that he is way overpaid as a 3rd string center. His negative net during the season and in the playoffs screams out like a whistling tea kettle.

[dboss]

Also since Bryant is a FA. There is no way for us to sign him unless he accepts short money. He is coming off of an $8.666 million contract last year.

So if they really wanted him it would have to be a sign and trade with us we using one of our TPE's. Would we or Washington be hard capped?

[bobheckler]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
4 minutes ago
With Mitchell Robinson getting $60 million over four years from the Knicks, Rob Williams' extension from last offseason keeps looking better by the day for Celtics.


Bob
MY NOTE:  $60M/4 years = $15M/year.  $54M/4 years is $13.5M.  Not a big difference, financially, but who would you rather have?

Keep in mind the difference in mpg.  RWill played 15% more mpg, so his numbers should be 15% better except for the OffRtg and DefRtg because those are /100 possessions they are on the court regardless of how many mpg that is.


2021-2022/game......mpg (total)........fg%........ft%.......rpg........blks......assists......turnovers.....points......OffRtg.......DefRtg
Mitchell Robinson---- 25.7 (1848)-----76.1------48.6-----8.6-------1.8------.5----------.8------------8.5--------143--------106
The Time Lord--------29.6 (1804)-----73.6------72.2-----9.6-------2.2------2.0---------1.0----------10.0-------148--------102


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[NYCelt]

Malcom Brogdon
Marcus Smart
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Al Horford
Rob Williams
Grant Williams
Derrick White
Danilo Gallinari

Solid 9 there. Probably more to come. The rumor mill is still cranking out KD and Thomas Bryant as possible future Celtics. We'll see. I'm really rooting for Bryant.

As is, the starting lineup possibilities are a good mix...
PG- Brogdon
2G- Brown (Smart)
SF- Tatum (Brown)
PF- Horford (Tatum)
C - RWIII
6 - Smart (Horford)
7 - GWill
8 - White
9 - Gallinari

[gyso]

Report: Celtics to re-sign Luke Kornet

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/7/1/23192036/boston-celtics-to-sign-luke-kornet

After an active day for the Boston Celtics with the anticipated signing of Danilo Gallinari and the surprise trade for Malcolm Brogdon, the team reached an agreement with center Luke Kornet to return to Boston next season. Chris B. Haynes of Yahoo Sports reported the deal, and the two parties came to terms on a two-year contract; the deal is reportedly for the veteran minimum and partially guaranteed.

Kornet, who turns 27 on July 15th, is entering his sixth season and will provide some end of the bench depth for the Celtics following the multi-player package the team shipped to Indiana for Malcolm Brogdon. After being acquired by the team initially at the trade deadline in 2021, Kornet spent time with the Maine Celtics and spent some time on 10-day contracts with the Cleveland Cavaliers and Milwaukee Bucks before returning to the Celtics after the trade deadline in February of 2022.

The signing brings Boston’s roster count to 11 players following the Pacers trade as Brad Stevens continues to work diligently in free agency. Boston is reportedly working on a new long-term deal with wingman Sam Hauser, and the team was also in talks with free agent center Thomas Bryant as of this morning. Sources tell CelticsBlog’s Keith Smith that the re-signing of Luke Kornet does not take them off the search for more big man depth as the team reshapes their roster following their Finals run.

[gyso]

Our Bench:

(AKA: The Green Team)


6) Malcolm Brogdon (PG/SG)



7) Danilo Gallionari (SF/PF)



8 ) Derrick White (PG/SG):



9) Grant Williams (PF):



10) Payton Pritchard (SG):




11) Sam Houser (SF)

12) Luke Kornet (VC)


Who else will be added to the bench?

[NYCelt]

I think Brogdon will be the  starting PG.

Most likely 6th man should be Smart or Horford, depending on big or small lineup for a given game.

That is, of course, subject to further deals and roster changes.

[gyso]

I think Brogdon will be the  starting PG.

Most likely 6th man should be Smart or Horford, depending on big or small lineup for a given game.

I think the starting five remains intact from last season. Only injuries should derail that train.

Brogdon's minutes and games played may be monitored (20-25 mpg) so that he is fresh and available for the playoffs (30~ish mpg).

Al is the same, his minutes should be less than last year, but he still starts.

I still think we are building a better bench.

Time will tell.

[gyso]

Oddly enough, I just found this:    

[gyso]

Something else I just found:

Brogdon is 6' 5" (6' 11" wingspan), ~230 lb, and while he's a very, very good ball-handler and play-maker, has actually played a lot as 'wing' the last few seasons. Here is his positional breakdown, per 82games.com:

year - - - PG - - Wing
2021-22 62% 38%
2020-21 24% 76%
2019-20 4% 96%
2018-19 9% 91%

[gyso]

Here's our team (so far):

[dboss]

Celtics reset:

From this point on everything is set except the bottom 3rd of the roster.

The depth issue has disappeared like the proverbial 'fart in the wind'

I think we start the season with the same lineup as last year but the rotations are going to be drastically changed.  The starting lineup will change at some point. AH played a lot of minutes last year so I expect less minutes from him.  I also expect to see a lot more single center lineups with double PG's and 2 wings.   With Danilo added, he fits right into the stretch 4 option along with Grant Williams.  Added shooting depth at the 4 was needed.

The addition of Brogdon will have a big impact at both the PG spot and the 2 Guard/Wing.  We did not have a real good BU for Jaylen last year.  Brogdon is a better off the ball option than other White or Smart.

I think that  2 guys are mostly impacted by the MB addition.  Smart and White will now have a legit tri-partner in the mix.  We are going to see combinations where all 3 are on the floor together when we go small and there will be a lot of pairing with two of them playing together.

I hope that Smart will be able to handle the situation because there are going to be times when he is on the bench in favor of both Brogdon or White.

Ime will not enable bad attitudes.  He is going to play guys that will execute the game plan.  

Reports indicate that Brogdon is thrilled to be joining the Celtics and Gallo will become a resident of the North End, lol

I am not going to candy coat the pill.  The Celtics did not just add a playmaker.  They essentially upgraded their PG situation by adding one better than the three that are already on the roster. That does not mean Brogdon will be the new starter.

This level of depth and versatility is exactly what the Celtics were needing.  Brogdon can become the perfect 6th man for us and he is a proven late game finisher or he can slide right into the starting lineup seamlessly.

The Celtics upgraded their roster without using any of our TPE's

[112288]

Brad Stevens seems to be a no nonsense guy who wants to win now without looking at the basketball court with rose colored glasses. He is finding great success trading because he is not TRADER DANNY! I think the problem in the past was Danny and how other GM's viewed him............a too tough, not flexible trading partner. i am sure we missed some great trades because of Danny. I am sure a lot of GM's did not want to become the latest victim of Danny especially with dissembling of the old team back in 2013/2014.

I asked for a total gut of the bench and to get a lot of the old wood moved, and Brad to his credit did so! We only kept a few bench players and a player who could find a role coming off the bench in Sam Hauser. We also will add the 2 new players Williams and Davidson.

Buckle up, there is more to come!

112288

[gyso]

A lot more here:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/07/01/sports/celtics-acquire-malcolm-brogdon-pacers-daniel-theis-aaron-nesmith-first-rounder/

[dboss]

It seems to me that with the moves made by Brad Stevens all the trade Jaylen Brown talk should go away.

It will not until some other team makes a deal to get him.

Fact of the matter is that the Celtics do not need Kevin Durant.  They did not need him before the trade and FA signing.

Most fans on this forum got it right.  We needed some additions but the overall core of this team did not need to be chopped up.  

Brad and the Celtics have been steadfast in their goal to build around the Jays by adding quality pieces around them.  No where in that business plan does it say we will switch out one of our young stars for an older star.  

I do not know how many more times the Celtics need to restate their strategy to win a title or more.

Durant had a chance to sign with Boston a few years back.  He was even offered free lobster at Legals.  His list of preferred teams to get traded to, in yet another sequel, did not include Boston.

So what the hell is it that our own sports media and some asinine fans do not get?

The Celtics managed to destroy both Kyrie and Durant together in the playoffs. Now both of them want out. Just sit back and enjoy the comedy routine.

[dboss]

The prospect of using any of our TPE's is really fading fast.

At this point I do not think that we will use any of them because we do not have to use them. That also means we do not have to part with additional assets.

I do not see Boston adding anyone else to our 9-10 man rotation.

[bobheckler]

Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
yesterday
According to a league source, the Celtics are expected to agree to a multi-year deal with Sam Hauser when the dust clears in the coming days, too. Boston made that route pretty clear when it declined Hauser's team option for next year.


Bob


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[bobheckler]

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/07/luke-kornet-re-signs-with-celtics-on-two-year-deal.html



Luke Kornet re-signs with Celtics on two-year deal


Updated: Jul. 01, 2022, 6:13 p.m. | Published: Jul. 01, 2022, 5:57 p.m.



Charlotte Hornets' Cody Zeller defends against Boston Celtics' Luke Kornet (40) during the first half of an NBA basketball game, Sunday, April 4, 2021, in Boston. (AP Photo/Michael Dwyer)AP


By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com



The Celtics are bringing back Luke Kornet on a partially guaranteed two-year contract according to a league source for the veteran’s minimum. Chris Haynes of Yahoo! Sports was first to report Kornet’s return.

The 7-foot-2 center played 12 games last year with Boston after being signed after the trade deadline, averaging 2.0 points and 1.9 rebounds per game.

Kornet brings Boston’s current players on the 15-man roster to 11. Free agent forward Sam Hauser is also expected to re-sign a long-term with Boston next week according to a league source after becoming a restricted free agent earlier this week when Boston declined his team option.


Bob
MY NOTE:  I've been mostly satisfied with Brad's decisions so far, so I'm inclined to take a wait-and-see approach to this but, damn!  I'm sure Ime had some input into this, that would not only make sense but that would also be consistent with Brad's collaborative approach to most things, so he must be seeing something in Luke I'm not too.


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