Hayward trade rumors

dbrown4 wrote:dboss,

We all know that there are two trains of thought when it comes to Boston doing anything.

1)  The general, obvious, makes the most sense consensus train

2)  The Danny Train

Normally these two trains of thought are in two completely different universes!  

With all the deep, intense knowledge of the hardcore Celtics fans on this site, (and I would put this group of people up against any non-insider group in the world hands down) have any of us ever hit the nail on the head with what Danny as GM actually does in the end?  Just curious!  That would deserve the highest award and honor the world has ever known!



"Come forth, silent rogue and receive thy prize!"  (Bonus points for identifying the movie, of course!)  

db

sinus007 wrote:Hi,
I'd be ecstatic if Danny could swing a trade to get Sabonis. Here's your double-double machine, BTW.

AK

bobc33 wrote:I would not want to see Haywood traded.  The Celtics are at their best when he is healthy, I’m very doubtful we would get equal value back so trading him would make the team worse.

If Gordon was healthy we would have beat Toronto in 4 or 5 games, beaten Miami and had a decent chance of beating the Lakers.

Keep Gordon!

bobc33 wrote:I would not want to see Haywood traded.  The Celtics are at their best when he is healthy, I’m very doubtful we would get equal value back so trading him would make the team worse.

If Gordon was healthy we would have beat Toronto in 4 or 5 games, beaten Miami and had a decent chance of beating the Lakers.

Keep Gordon!

kdp59 wrote:where has there been any rumors that the Pacers are willing to move Sabonis?

they signed to him a rookie extension this past season, just like we did with Brown. Hell I was talking about Sabonis before last season started, no one wanted him here then it seemed.


all the rumors I've seen is that Turner could be  on the trade block.

if we are just gonna throw out names how about Ainge get Anthony Davis or   Giannis?

might as well get an MVP type player or nothing after all.

RosalieTCeltics wrote:A very unpopular move, I do not care what is said here.  Jaylen Brown is a player the Celtics do not want to give up, period.  Where did Sabonis come into these rumors??  This is wishful thinking on some members here. I have heard nothing about Sabonis.  

I have read the rumors about Hayward.  I feel just as Bob C.  If Hayward was healthy they would have had a much stronger chance of beating Miami.  Dboss....if I remember correctly, in our Zoom call, YOU called for a sweep or a 4-1 win for Miami.  No one had a chance you said. I tempered your enthusiasm by saying that you were under estimating the Heat and how good they were playing.  You said, you had no worry, even without Gordon, they would win  

Gordon Hayward is more valuable to this team than he is being given credit for. The season he had was close to what we wanted.  He is the right player to play with this group, unselfish doing whatever is needed to win.  If Turner was so valuable why was he on the bench so much????

I stand with GH, if he decides to leave, then Danny will find a way of making it work to his advantage, but I do not think this is going to happen. (unless family issues make the decision more difficult for him to stay in Boston)  There is unfinished business here in Boston, I just do not see him walking.  

Go ahead, start the ripping........

RosalieTCeltics wrote:A very unpopular move, I do not care what is said here.  Jaylen Brown is a player the Celtics do not want to give up, period.  Where did Sabonis come into these rumors??  This is wishful thinking on some members here. I have heard nothing about Sabonis.  

I have read the rumors about Hayward.  I feel just as Bob C.  If Hayward was healthy they would have had a much stronger chance of beating Miami.  Dboss....if I remember correctly, in our Zoom call, YOU called for a sweep or a 4-1 win for Miami.  No one had a chance you said. I tempered your enthusiasm by saying that you were under estimating the Heat and how good they were playing.  You said, you had no worry, even without Gordon, they would win  

Gordon Hayward is more valuable to this team than he is being given credit for. The season he had was close to what we wanted.  He is the right player to play with this group, unselfish doing whatever is needed to win.  If Turner was so valuable why was he on the bench so much????

I stand with GH, if he decides to leave, then Danny will find a way of making it work to his advantage, but I do not think this is going to happen. (unless family issues make the decision more difficult for him to stay in Boston)  There is unfinished business here in Boston, I just do not see him walking.  

Go ahead, start the ripping........

Shamrock1000 wrote:Are any of these Indiana rumors actually real?? As far as I can tell, the underlying logic always seems to come down to some version of "because Gordon is from Indiana, somehow that makes him.a good fit"?? I don't think any gm actually operates on that type of logic.

I think we have too much money tied up at the wing position, and something inevitably has to give, but I just don't see Indiana giving up young talent for a injury prone older player getting near max money who could walk after one year.

dboss wrote:I know that Rosalie will not be happy with a GH trade.

I blame Danny Ainge for this.  He overspent to sign Kemba Walker and as result the team is set up to have 3 max contracts (JT, GH and KW) plus a near max with Jaylen Brown.

Without investing in our front line, that group of players does not get us to the title.  The financials matter no matter what the owners tell you.

You have to give to get.  If the Celtics have to move a core guy who should it be?  Jayson and Jaylen have both far exceeded expectations and are both still heading up.  Kemba is heading down and Smart and Hayward are holding steady.  It does not make a lot of sense to move Smart if you keep Hayward and Walker because you are still faced with the dilemma of 4 guys eating up the payroll.  Therefore either Hayward or Walker   have to go.

Shamrock1000 wrote:Are any of these Indiana rumors actually real?? As far as I can tell, the underlying logic always seems to come down to some version of "because Gordon is from Indiana, somehow that makes him.a good fit"?? I don't think any gm actually operates on that type of logic.

I think we have too much money tied up at the wing position, and something inevitably has to give, but I just don't see Indiana giving up young talent for a injury prone older player getting near max money who could walk after one year.

JerzeyCfan wrote:

dboss wrote:I know that Rosalie will not be happy with a GH trade.

I blame Danny Ainge for this.  He overspent to sign Kemba Walker and as result the team is set up to have 3 max contracts (JT, GH and KW) plus a near max with Jaylen Brown.

Without investing in our front line, that group of players does not get us to the title.  The financials matter no matter what the owners tell you.

You have to give to get.  If the Celtics have to move a core guy who should it be?  Jayson and Jaylen have both far exceeded expectations and are both still heading up.  Kemba is heading down and Smart and Hayward are holding steady.  It does not make a lot of sense to move Smart if you keep Hayward and Walker because you are still faced with the dilemma of 4 guys eating up the payroll.  Therefore either Hayward or Walker   have to go.

Looking through the eyes of an owner and general manager do you think they will offer Tatum a max contract?  No question he is a tremendous player with a terrific upside.  I do not envy Danny and all the GM's in the NBA.  Their job is way harder than what Red had to work with when Celtics were dominant.  The unknown is 3R's and 2P's.  Revenue, Ratings. Rioting, Pandemic and Politics.  All are factors that need to address unless owners do not have a priority of making money.  Maybe the Political factor does not bother many on this board but it sure does me!  Let's see how ratings change this year.  By the way, this is the first year I have not listened to the Celtics (playoffs)either by radio or TV since I was a little boy.  By the way I have access to NBA league for free and did not take advantage of it.  I hope all are well and staying safe.