Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

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HOW WE RANG OUT 2017












bob


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bobheckler wrote:.










HOW WE RANG OUT 2017












bob


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You sure know how to excite a guy...

did someone say draft pick?



well,

with that in mind the new year seems like a good time for a "way to early" ranking of possible draft picks. NOTE this is only MY Rankings and are meaningless!!

Rank-Pos----Player-----------Hgt----Wgt----School
1------C-----DeAndre Ayton--7-0----260----Arizona
2------PF----Marvin Bagley---6-11---235----Duke
3------SG----Luka Doncic-----6-7----220----Int
4------SF-----Michael Porter---6-10--215---Missouri
5------C-----Mohamed Bamba--7-0--220---Texas
6------PG------Trae Young-----6-2----180---Oklahoma
7------PF-----Jaren Jackson Jr---6-11--240--Michigan St
8------PG----Colin Sexton------6-2----185----Alabama
9------SG----Lonnie Walker-----6-4----200---Miami
10-----C-----Robert Williams----6-9----240---Texas A&M
11-----SF-----Kevin Knox-------6-9----215----Kentucky
12-----SG-----Mikal Bridges----6-7----210----Villanova
13-----SF-----Miles Bridges-----6-7---230----Michigan St
14------C-----Wendell Carter---6-10---260----Duke
15-----SG-----Bruce Brown-----6-5----200----Miami
16-----PG-----Trevon Duval-----6-2----190----Duke
17------C-----Brandon McCoy---7-0----255----UNLV
18-----SG-----Hamidou Diallo---6-5----200---Kentucky
19------C-----Mitchell Robinson--7-1---225----None
20-----SF----Dzanan Musa------6-9---195-----Int
21-----SF----Jared Vanderbilt---6-9---215-----Kentucky
22-----SG----Grayson Allen-----6-5---210-----Duke
23-----PG-----Khyri Thomas----6-3---210----Creighton
24-----SG-----Lagerald Vick-----6-5--180-----Kansas
25-----SF-----Rui Hachimura----6-8---225---Gonzaga
26-----PF-------Killian Tillie-----6-10--215----Gonzaga
27-----PF------Chimezie Metu---6-10--225----USC
28-----C-------Nick Richards----6-11--240----Kentucky
29-----SG------Gary Trent Jr----6-6---215-----Duke
30-----C--------Daniel Gafford---6-11--225----Arkansas

KDP I have more faith in your rankings than in almost all of the well known pundits!

The question is will Ainge draft another guard in Trae Young if the opportunity presents itself?

fierce wrote:The question is will Ainge draft another guard in Trae Young if the opportunity presents itself?

Could be. He's had a special season so far. Similar with Doncic. Neither are obvious fits considering our current roster makeup.

My son says Trae Young is the next Steph Curry, GS’s best line up is Curry Thompson Igoudala Durant Green....stay small, get better guards or go traditional old school?

fierce wrote:The question is will Ainge draft another guard in Trae Young if the opportunity presents itself?

Fierce,

Why not?  He drafted Rozier when we already had Bradley amd drafted Tatum when we already had Crowder.  We had only 4 players return from last season's EC Finals team.  "Current roster" means nothing to Trader Danny.  Don't you think if he believes Trae Young can get the job done Danny wouldn't put Jaylen in a package for Anthony Davis or Vucevic or some other elite player?



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bobheckler wrote:

fierce wrote:The question is will Ainge draft another guard in Trae Young if the opportunity presents itself?

Fierce,

Why not?  He drafted Rozier when we already had Bradley amd drafted Tatum when we already had Crowder.  We had only 4 players return from last season's EC Finals team.  "Current roster" means nothing to Trader Danny.  Don't you think if he believes Trae Young can get the job done Danny wouldn't put Jaylen in a package for Anthony Davis or Vucevic or some other elite player?



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Agree.

Another game against a western team, another loss for the Lakers.

Before the season started, it was hard to believe the Nets would be better than the Lakers.

Look at the Lakers now!

I would really hate to see Jaylen leave, it better be a really big great talent, Jaylen and Jayson can be the best wing combo ever since Jordan and Pippen. It’s like trading away multiple all star berths and championships.... it’s a wing-guard era.

fierce wrote:Another game against a western team, another loss for the Lakers.

Before the season started, it was hard to believe the Nets would be better than the Lakers.

Look at the Lakers now!

And the Nets are a full two games better than the Lakers after tonight.

cowens/oldschool wrote:I would really hate to see Jaylen leave, it better be a really big great talent, Jaylen and Jayson can be the best wing combo ever since Jordan and Pippen. It’s like trading away multiple all star berths and championships.... it’s a wing-guard era.

A family member once taught me that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I agree. This came up before in a poll on trading for Anthony Davis. Irving, Brown and Tatum are three check marks for years to come. They are the true core. If Al Horford was younger, then I'd include him. There's Gordon Hayward, too. The Celtics are stacked. It will be very difficult for Danny to choke as a GM at this point.

well, if Danny sees Irving, Hayward, Tatum and Brown as his core for the future, then getting that Lakers pick and drafting Ayton, Bagley or Bamba would complete that starting group pretty well.

kdp59 wrote:well, if Danny sees Irving, Hayward, Tatum and Brown as his core for the future, then getting that Lakers pick and drafting Ayton, Bagley or Bamba would complete that starting group pretty well.

True.

But it's also possible Danny uses the Lakers pick in a package for Anthony Davis.

If the Pels want to blow it up, replacing Anthony Davis with Ayton saves the Pels a lot of money.

Spending hundreds of millions on Anthony Davis and the Pels not going anywhere does not make sense from a financial standpoint.

If we have a chance to add a Bagley or Bamba, why would we blow up our core when we can get the younger player on the cheap and keep our great core? Would rather add to the winning formula than weaken it, plus we can still add a core piece to address our weakness.

I knew that sooner rather than later the unforeseen Laker pick would be traded in a PKG for Anthony Davis.  

We know that Danny inquired about his availability but that was before they inked Hayward to a huge contract and made the blockbuster trade to get Kyrie.

The first thing that we need to acknowledge is that Boston would have to be willing to have 4 max contract players on the team.  That is approximately $105 million for 4 players.

So let's assume that Boston does not want to allocate the majority of their CAP to only 4 players.  That means that any move to make a trade for Davis would have to coincide with trading one of our big 3.  Horford would be the most likely candidate that Boston would want to move unless the unthinkable creep into the dark spaces of ones' mind.  

The Pelicans have shown no interest in trading their 24 year old franchise player and they likely have no interest in the 31 year old Horford.  They would be inclined to take Hayward before Al.  Do the Celtics want to move Hayward?  Hell NO.

The very idea of Davis, given what the Celtics have already done, resides in some parallel universe.

dboss wishes everyone a happy New Year.

I am with you Cowens. If we could get a premium big on the cheap for 5 years wit the Lakers pick, why would we want to take on a 4th Max contract for AD. I hope we keep our core and add to it with youth through the draft. BTW, I mailed your package off this a.m.

kdp59 wrote:well, if Danny sees Irving, Hayward, Tatum and Brown as his core for the future, then getting that Lakers pick and drafting Ayton, Bagley or Bamba would complete that starting group pretty well.

kdp,

Love your "way too early list!" I'm always a sucker for talking draft projections and who will fit.

If it were today, I think Michael Porter goes #1.

Ayton, Bamba and Bagley, in that order, are the three I think make the most sense for us.

We can slice it and dice it any way we want, but (in my opinion) we need a center. Forget all the hyperbole about the NBA being a drastically changed league, it's not (in my opinion). We're deep in guys who can play forward, and, assuming Horford, Hayward, Tatum and Brown aren't going anywhere, I think that rules Bagley out. Too many possible PFs, still lacking a true C. So you take Ayton or Bamba, both of whom will start day one a la Tatum, and have a frontcourt of Horford, Tatum and Ayton/Bamba. Hayward probably is the other wing/2G. If guys like Brown, Smart and Rozier are your depth, we're talking conference title type depth. Morris, I think, may or may not be around, depending on how and if the injuries pile up.

Ayton is going to pick apart some of the veteran centers in the NBA right out of the gate (in my opinion). Bamba will be slightly behind, judging by the looks of their college seasons so far. Both have question marks. With Ayton it's attitude, with Bamba it's what the finished product will look like as he builds his game. Both are incredibly intelligent and could have been Ivy League. The bet here is that Bamba will play Bob Lanier to Ayton's Kareem Abdul Jabbar. The league is ripe for domination by skilled, imposing centers and they're on their way.

If I'm Boston, I do whatever I have to in order to get Ayton; preserving Tatum, Irving and probably Hayward. I would rather draft Ayton than try and deal for Davis.

All of this, of course, is (in my opinion).

Nets beat the Magic, Blazers beat the Bulls and the Timberwolves crushed the Lakers on the 2nd game of a b2b after losing in 2OT in Houston.

The odds of getting the #1 pick, if you are 2nd worst, is 19.9%.  The odds of getting the #1 pick if you are 3rd worst is 13.8%.  If the Lakers get a lucky pingpong ball bounce and Is is worth it to root for the Lakers to end up 3rd from the bottom just to reduce the odds of us getting nothing because they pull the #1 pick with the higher odds coming from being #2?  This is sounding like a very rich draft.  #4 or #5 will still be quite good.


As of 1/2/18:  pre-games:


1.  Atlanta              10-26,    .278
2.  Lakers              11-25,   .306
3.  Orlando             12-26,    .316
4.  Memphis           12-25,    .324
5.  Sacramento       12-24,    .333
6.  Dallas               13-25,     .342
7.  Chicago             13-24,    .351   
8.  Charlotte           13-23,    .361
9.  Brooklyn           14-23,    .378



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One thing is clear. Danny made a wise move trading our Brooklyn pick.

worcester wrote:One thing is clear. Danny made a wise move trading our Brooklyn pick.

worcester, 

Instead of turning a lead egg into a golden egg, the Brooklyn pick is going from a golden egg to a lead one (maybe brass or pyrite, not complete lead) and Danny traded it for another golden egg before the process became obvious to everybody else.  Alchemist Danny!

D'Angelo Russell is expected back this season.  The Nyets should be even better after that.

Ball is out for the Lakers.  They should be better when he comes back too.  I'm not expecting them to end in 2nd.


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worcester wrote:I am with you Cowens. If we could get a premium big on the cheap for 5 years wit the Lakers pick, why would we want to take on a 4th Max contract for AD. I hope we keep our core and add to it with youth through the draft. BTW, I mailed your package off this a.m.

Thanks worse, great speaking with you yesterday!!

I agree that adding Ayton or Bagley is better than getting Anthony Davis and losing some of our core players.

But remember, we don't know what Ainge will do.

Nobody expected Ainge to trade the #1 pick for the #3 pick.

Ainge is very unpredictable.

Right now the team to beat is the Warriors.
They have 4 players with max contracts.

If a team wants to win multiple championships, money should not be an issue.

Part of the reason why the Celtics didn't win multiple championships with Pierce, KG, and Ray is because the Celtics didn't want to pay James Posey.

James Posey was the 6th man of that 2008 Celtics team.
He was a contributor on offense and defense.
And the Celts let him go because of money.

The Lakers were in a similar situation when they won a championship in 2009.
Lamar Odom was going to leave if the Lakers don't pay him.
In the end the Lakers overpaid for Odom.
But it resulted in another championship in 2010.
Odom played well when Bynum went down in the 2010 finals against the Celts.

I don't think the Lakers would've beaten the Celts in 2010 if they didn't have Odom.

That's why when it comes to winning championships, money should not be an issue.