2024 - 2025 Trades and Signings

bobheckler wrote:As posted elsewhere by Will,


THE GREEN KORNET WILL BE BACK NEXT YEAR!!


One year deal for Luke.


Bob


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I would have preferred resigning Tillman, much more versatile and better defender than Luke.

Andre Drummond signs 2 year deal with Philly.


Drummond and Eric Gordon.  If Paul George goes there they'll go be loaded.


Bob


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cowens/oldschool wrote:

bobheckler wrote:As posted elsewhere by Will,


THE GREEN KORNET WILL BE BACK NEXT YEAR!!


One year deal for Luke.


Bob


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I would have preferred resigning Tillman, much more versatile and better defender than Luke.

Cowens,


I still expect him to resign. We need him, especially with KP missing so many games, and we have Bird Rights so we can.


Bob


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bobheckler wrote:

cowens/oldschool wrote:

bobheckler wrote:As posted elsewhere by Will,


THE GREEN KORNET WILL BE BACK NEXT YEAR!!


One year deal for Luke.


Bob


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I would have preferred resigning Tillman, much more versatile and better defender than Luke.

Cowens,


I still expect him to resign.   We need him, especially with KP missing so many games, and we have Bird Rights so we can.


Bob


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Great!! Like his game better than Luke’s, who is a defensive liability in alot of match ups

I do not believe they are giving “fat boy” harden $70 million for 2 yrs with a player option for. Second year. Are they nuts????

RosalieTCeltics wrote:I do not believe they are giving “fat boy” harden $70 million for 2 yrs with a player option for. Second year. Are they nuts????

Yes they are Nuts.  

It would be difficult to make a case that second apron penalties would be a deal breaker.

According to FORBES, Owner Steve Ballmer is worth $130.7B.  To lose Paul George and overpay Harden just does not make a lot of sense.  You have to consider the investment that you made to get George.  He had a great year last season while playing 74 games and he has been available in the playoffs the past 3 seasons.

"the Clippers in a blockbuster deal that sent the Thunder Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, five first-round picks and two first-round pick swaps"


So now he is rumored to be signing with the Sixers on a max deal of $212 million.

Looks like PHI is going all in with Mr. Injury.  Great!  Now they will have 2 guys in and out of the line up all the time!

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40471660/paul-george-agrees-4-year-212m-deal-76ers-sources

db

Klay Thompson may end up with the Clippers, Mavericks or the Lakers.  He is going to be taking a pay cut no matter where he goes.  The Lakers are very interested and since his dad calls games for them and played for them I could see him going there.

Denver lost Caldwell Pope (heading to Orlando)

Still waiting to see what Boston does with Tillman.  JD Davidson is a FA and has one more year to play in the G-League.

After all the smoke clears, the Celtics will still be favored to win the championship.

dbrown4 wrote:Looks like PHI is going all in with Mr. Injury.  Great!  Now they will have 2 guys in and out of the line up all the time!

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40471660/paul-george-agrees-4-year-212m-deal-76ers-sources

db

Same with the Knicks

Only one of them plays us in the ECF.  But if we don't have the best record in the East and have to beat both of them we will.  After we "waltzed" through this year's playoffs to an undeserved championship (all per the media's belief), they will ask for nothing less from us to prove ourselves by knocking off both of these teams (and hopefully their teams will be at full strength so we can drive the nail in the coffin regardless of who we show up with) in the playoffs next season.   And then they will still crap on us!!

The funny thing is, we will show up with whoever we have and still win.  These other two, along with the media, will cry wolf if even one of their big producers is not present.  We can't win, yet we will.    

db

Looks like the Clippers have now become a dysfunctional Old School Houston, Jr. with Hardhead signing 2-year and Mr. Load Management Leonard.  In case James is not reading between the lines...That's a wrap.  No title for you, James.  

db

This cannot make Kwahi very happy, but then again, maybe he will get hurt and take another year off. What a world

Now that's funny, Rosalie!!  Couldn't have said it better!!  

Leonard needs a Pat Riley slap in the face.  "If you're not playing and contributing...Have a glass of Shut the Hell Up!!"

db

Caldwell-Pope signing with ORL, who appear to try to be attempting to keep up with the Joneses.  

Maxey in as well.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40469675/sources-kentavious-caldwell-pope-finalizing-deal-magic

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40473028/sources-tyrese-maxey-agrees-5-year-204m-extension-76ers

Come get us!!  There can only be one from the East and it ain't either of your two teams.  But enjoy the leaf-blowing of each owner's money trying to cover!!  

db

Philly is definitely taking aim at us, as are the Knicks. PG, Embiid, Maxey is formidable.

We are definitely still better with a healthy KP. I agree we should sign Tillman. Kornet and Queta do some nice things, but I like Tillman's bulk and foot speed. Kornet struggles against bigs that can take the ball off the dribble. It's going to take a committee to hold the fort till KP returns and even after he returns he will sit games as will Al. Kornet, Queta and Tillman have different skills and can plug into to certain situations.

cowens/oldschool wrote:

bobheckler wrote:As posted elsewhere by Will,


THE GREEN KORNET WILL BE BACK NEXT YEAR!!


One year deal for Luke.


Bob


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I would have preferred resigning Tillman, much more versatile and better defender than Luke.

Cow,

Tillman might be a more versatile defender, which we know Brad and Joe love, but a better overall defender than Luke?  Luke did pretty frippin' well last year, as odd as it is for me to say that.


Defensive Rating (DefRtg) = Points Allowed/100 possessions when player is on the floor

Player.........................DefRtg 2023-2024....................Career DefRtg

Luke Kornet................110.........................................111
Xavier Tillman Sr.........111 (110 with Memphis)............109


So Tillman, over the course of his career, has been a solid defender.  He was also on a team that lived and died by its defense.  It had Steven Adams and Jared Jackson.  The Grindmaster Tony Allen, had retired by then but the team's identity as a "defense first" team was still burned in.  It hadn't become Ja's team, yet.

Luke has been with a number of teams (Tillman has only been with 2) and in every case Luke's DefRtg has been good (except for the one game he played for Milwaukee, a total of 3 minutes, and he had a 120 DefRtg for that) and his defense has consistently been good.  Except for that one game with the Bucks Luke has never had a DefRtg >112.  

Where Luke was weak was his OffRtg.  He didn't score himself, he didn't know how to create scoring opportunities for himself, when he was on the floor it was 4-on-5 on offense.  That's not true anymore.  He pnrs very well now.  He only averages 4.1 rpg in 15.6mpg, but 1.9 of them, almost half, are offensive rebounds.  Tillman is decidedly NOT as good an offensive rebounder as Luke and, if you just watch how Luke contests rebounds your "eye-test" should tell you that.  He is a much better shot blocker than Tillman, who is a strong positional defender and will defend at the arc, but not much of a rim protector.

Last year, which was the year that Luke really blossomed before my disbelieving eyes, Luke's offensive contributions took a marked turn upwards.  His offense for the first 5 of his 7 year career his Offensive Ratings were shite.  HOWEVER, starting in 2021-2022 in Boston, they became something else altogether.  To be fair, Tillman's Offensive Rating took a sharp turn upwards when he came to Boston too, but on MUCH fewer minutes.  We can put more weight on Luke's numbers because they are based upon more numbers.


Offensive Rating (OffRtg) = Points Scored /100 possessions when the player is on the court.

Player...........................OffRtg 2023-2024.................................Career OffRtg
Luke Kornet...................157.....................................................126
Xavier Tillman Sr............127 (Boston), 98 (Memphis)...................117

Luke's 157 OffRtg for last year is NOT a typo. He played a career high 983 minutes last year.

Luke's assist-to-turnover ratio last year was 3.09:1.  That is phenomenal.  This isn't as important in a big as in a ballhandling guard or wing but you don't want any player squandering possessions because they're giving the ball away regularly.  Tillman's was 4:1 in Boston and 2:1 in Memphis.  Both are excellent for bigs although, like I said, Luke's numbers are based upon more minutes and are, therefore, more reliable.


It is an odd position for me, to be defending Luke Kornet, and yet here I am.  He started showing me something in the 2nd half of Joe's first season as HC and this past year really blew my mind.


Bob


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Isaiah Hartenstein agrees to 3 year $87M deal with OKC.

The Knicks were on a winning streak until this. Mitchell Robinson better come back healthy and strong because if he can't stay on the court they only have Jericho Sims for rim protection now.


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Let's start the line for how many games Embiid, PG13 and Maxey will be on the game day roster, all playing injury-free at, let's say, 18.  That's probably a little high, but I'm good with it.  A bulk of this will come off at the beginning of the season.  Then the wheels will come off.  Anyone?  

db

Hartenstein is a big loss for the Knicks. He may be hard to replace.

Bobby Manning @RealBobManning
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#Celtics and Derrick White agree to a max 4 year extension. A ginormous win for Boston that keeps its starting lineup together through 2026.


Bob
MY NOTE: WOOHOO!!! One more big to round out the depth there and we're good!!


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Figures ESPN not reporting DW yet. Pushing it to the bottom with all the other "more important" trades gearing up against us!

db

Derrick White and the Boston Celtics have agreed to a four-year, $125.9 million contract extension following their NBA championship last month, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
ESPN's Bobby Marks provided a year-by-year breakdown of the deal:
The $125.9M (including likely bonuses) was the maximum allowed.

2025/26- $28.1M

2026/27- $30.4M

2027/28- $32.6M

2028/29- $34.8M
12:52 PM · Jul 1, 2024

Great news.  I'm glad they didn't wait too long before making the deal.

OKC had the money to over spend on Hartenstein.  

Knicks had no choice but to let him walk.  He is not a $30M per year player.  But this is crazy season where some teams overpay and others refuse to pay.

The Knicks have a serious issue at 5 because Mitchell Robinson has the same availability profile as  Robert Williams.  Even when he plays he is very, very limited on offense and cannot defend away from a drop down position.

Yes the Sixers and the Knicks are gunning for the Celtics but they cannot put together teams that can beat the Celtics.  PG13 is an upgrade over Tobias Harris but not by that much if you check out their comparative production.  As db pointed out, Embid is an injury prone player (31) regular season games last year and he limped through the playoffs. and George also has an unfavorable injury history. Now the Knicks have to find quality depth at the 5 and figure out how to play together.

While all of this is going on, Brad Stevens is just going about the business of easily building out his roster by keeping the guys that helped us win last year. There is no drama at play.

The Boston Celtics have agreed to terms on a four-year, $125.9 million contract extension with guard Derrick White, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. The deal includes a player option, but will keep White in Celtic green for the foreseeable future.


Bob
MY NOTE:  Compare this ownership team with, say, Paul Gaston or the Chicken King John Y. Brown.  These guys are great owners.  GREAT.  


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